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XManiac24
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Hello again,

Well, I was just thinking about it, and I have two questions I would really like to hear people's opinions on.

The first being in regards to WCW. Obviously, WCW is gone and there is nothing to do about that, that was the plan for it. However, let's just say that there wasn't so much infighting with management and politics in such (not SO much, mind you) how do you think WCW could have been saved, and what would have been the championship succession?

I look at it this way:

--We had the nWo...Hogan could have carried that strong and then conclude the whole nWo storyline with Sting at Starrcade cleanly with special ref Bret Hart.

--Hogan goes away for a while, and Sting has a decent run as the champion feuding with the final thread holding remnants of the nWo (or not), maybe Bret Hart, and maybe one solid classic bout with Ric Flair.

--Meanwhile, Goldberg (as much as I dislike the guy)is built up and protected by management and starts to build his steam (though I would have been building The Giant too and wouldn't have let him get picked up, jackhammered, etc.), his streak goes strong and Sting passes his torch as "The Franchise of WCW" to Goldberg...so Sting is happily gone and done.

--Again, maybe Goldberg could feud with a couple of people or Bret, but really just keeps his steam, until some of the bigger names that eventually came to WCW arrived (Jarrett, Douglas, Bigelow, etc.). THEN, Hogan comes back under the Red and Yellow and builds himself back up with some solid feuds and then Hogan goes up against Goldberg and we have a WM III type deal and Hogan finally and officially passes his torc and is now done.

--This should be around 99, 2000...and let's just say that Benoit and co. stayed. Goldberg could have some solid feuds against Douglas, Raven, Benoit, Guerrero and a whole lot of other guys.

It probably couldn't work and I am unsur where Bret could nicely fit in, or as a face or heel, but I'd like to hear what people think.

Secondly, I'd like to know who people think are the most underrated or under-utilized wrestlers in any organization.

In my opinion I'd go with: Steamboat (by far), Douglas (as a heel he cut good promos in his prime), Taz, Sabu, RVD, Raven, and Styles. There are a few more, but they are the ones that come to my mind first.

Well that's it, thanks for reading and check you later.

Oh, and by the way, Bill Alfonso is the answer to the rating's problem...dadday!

(edited by XManiac24 on 18.3.04 1056)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
Weren't you the one ranting about another thread being the most pointless thread ever or something like that.

Well, I think you've won back your title. Congrats.



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XManiac24
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Noo..it wasn't a rant. But let's run down the history.

--I posted about WM21 being a number
--CRZ said it was a stupid post.
--Someone else posted about WM21 being in LA
--I said that was more pointless than my post

Try and keep up, man...just because I am the only one who posts thought provoking and worth-while threads and comments on THE WIENERBOARD, doesn't mean everyone should be jealous of me. I can't help that I'm better.

And I think this one takes it away from me...
http://wienerboard.com/thread.php/id=18738

Expecting a witty and snappy comeback,

XManiac24

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Both you guys talk WAY too much.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.97
    Originally posted by XManiac24
    And I think this one takes it away from me...



There are so many other threads I have posted in that are more rediculous than asking about a move I had never heard of. Sorry if needing some infomation classifies as USELSS or POINTLESS.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.14
- Roman numerals
- Places
- Fantasy booking
- Wrestling move identification

Which of the above is the most suitable topic for the subject of a post in a folder marked 'Wrestling'?



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
You know...I should just drop it. I am going to sit back and make dumb fantasy booking comments, which suck, and make totally foolish pro wrestling claims without any facts to back them up, like the rest of the IWC. HURRAAAAYYY!!!

Like Bobby Heenan..I'm trying to enlighten you humanoids...but some people can't be helped.

And CRZ..come on man, we all know I may speak to much, but I at least I speak much that is backed up.




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
This IS fantasy booking, though. Your fantasy of how to save a dead promotion.

What exactly were you trying to enlighten us about?
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Pro Wrestling...hasn't anyone been paying attention??? And I was just asking opinions of how WCW might have gone down..who cares about the matches. I just ant to hear people's ideas. But oh well, this thread went down the toilet already.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.44
Okay, I'll try for a serious reply to this.

RD Reynolds, the webmaster for Wrestlecrap.com, is writing a book at the moment about the rise and fall of WCW; when it becomes available you should get yourself a copy.

Needless to say, there were a lot of problems in WCW.

A lot of the WWE's current midcarders, upper midcarders, and even its 2 (current) world champions were under WCW contract. The big problem with WCW is that, in 1998 / 1999, WCW didn't put these guys over. I'm talking about Eddie, I'm talking about Benoit, I'm talking about Jericho, I'm talking about Booker, I'm talking about Mysterio. In my opinion, other guys like Kanyon, though not WWE main eventers, should also have been pushed.

At the same time, WCW had guys like Hogan, Luger, Savage, Piper, DDP, Hall, Nash, etc., under contract. Luger was generally greeted with apathy by fans, especially after they repackaged him as "The Total Package". I think these guys, especially, could have been utilized much better by putting over the next generation of WCW stars.

But the reason they didn't was possibly due to a bigger problems in the company.

First off, there was a corporate culture within WCW, dating back to Ole Anderson, of keeping main eventers around until they could no longer wrestle. Ask Tom Zenk or Shane Douglas; this culture was well and truely already in place by the time Bischoff and Hogan arrived in the federation.

Secondly, wrestlers booking a federation is always a bad idea. Even where the booker is also the main shareholder - like the old AWA - they will almost inevitably book themselves or their sons / cronies over what the fans want, or what is in the best interest of the federation.

Thirdly, no long term planning. There was no "end game" for the nWo angle (thus the numerous rehashes). Pushing younger talent over can be a long term thing that doesn't pay off until years after you do it. So Hogan and co. refusing to wrestle / job to young talent to keep them around is a good short term decision (i.e. if we can keep a big draw like Hogan around by not forcing him to do the job, it's a good thing); but it isn't a good long term stratergy.

This was followed up by recruiting talent from elsewhere rather - think Sid - rather than building local stars. Stars that needed to placated and weren't necessarily either over, or willing to put over WCW's own talent.

And finally, guaranteed contracts giving lower midcarders like Rick Steiner $500,000 a year may have been great when WCW made $200 million profit in 1998, but when it lost $80m?

Just my 2c.



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