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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.61
Holy Crap!! What an intense episode. Best of the past 3 episodes in terms of something actually happened vs people talking for an hour.

The kids seeing the baby grave was a foreshadow of what was to happen at that house in the middle of the forest. Apparently Lizzie doesn't know the difference between Zombies and humans and have a hard time killing Zombies. When a Zombie fell down on the train track, she wouldn't let Tyrese kill the Zombie. Later on in the episode, she came back to feed it a mouse and almost let it bite her to prove to her sister Mika that they are just like humans. The pre-credits scene showed a little girl playing with a Zombie. Sure enough, it was Lizzie and her new friend. After the 2 girls are attacked by smokin' burnt up Zombies, Lizzie says she gets it now. She knows the difference between the Zombies and humans. Carol and Tyrese goes to get water and when they came back, Lizzie murdered Mika! When Tyrese and Carol tried to check on Mika, Lizzie pulled a gun out to ensure they wait until Mika turned. She also hinted that she plans on killing baby Judith as well, but Carol was able to reason with her to get the gun back and have Tyrese take Lizzie away so she can prevent Mika from turning.

At the end Carol had to pull a "Of Mice & Men" and execute Lizzie. Yikes. She finally admitted to Tyrese she killed Karen, Tyrese's girlfriend for one episode. Tyrese forgave her but said he won't forget. They left the house after burying the 2 girls.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
Wow.

To me, this was the best episode of the season and definitely one of my favorites of the whole series.

I did not think this show would ever go there, but they did. And it was both shocking and riveting at the same time.

All four actors in this episode were excellent. Melissa McBride's Carol was outstanding. Her eyes tell so much emotion - it is a joy to watch her play Carol and I am so glad Carol made it back to the show after being banned by Rick.

The end could have gone any of three ways - I am glad it ended the way it did.

I will have to wait a couple of days to let this sink in and then watch it again.

Just. Wow.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.76
This was really an amazing episode. Had to watch the replay to process it.

They delivered on what makes this show the reason to watch. The drama.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.96
I guess in every way possible, I'm a big Walking Dead fan. I read the comic books (they are always the first one on the list that I read), I've read the novels, I've played the telltale game, I've even played the board game.

I've consistently been both disappointed by and given lots of slack to this TV show. I always say that when I watch a lot of adaptations, in my head I'm able to mix my favorite parts of show with the parts of the comic, and my favorite parts of the novels, Mixing the live visuals and replacing some of the events of the TV show. I even often boil down something done poorly, like zombies sneaking up on them in the forest, into simple plot developments like "they get ambushed by zombies, and then...", and not worry as much that that particular part wasn't executed very well.

Besides the creation of Darryl, there hasn't been a single thing on the television show that I thought lived up to the Walking Dead world. Until tonight. I know people will have plenty of problems with things like child actors, their own moral decisions, and the believability of that zombie getting half lodged until a train tie, but tonight's story was perfect. How do you maintain your sanity in this world, and if someone doesn't, what would you do? And if they go off the rails, what do you do then? The sheer horror of walking up on that scene was Shakesperian tragedy for a Romerion world.

Bravo TWD.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
For there being so much potential death around each and every corner in this zombie filled world, the adults sure let the kids roam around and have a lot of free time on their own.

With the way CM Punk likes to joke around and have fun on the Talking Dead, you gotta wonder if he might have been regretting a little bit picking this Talking Dead to be on.





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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
You know I thought of that too and I wish I had an answer as to why children are left alone at all during this time but I can not come up with one. As a father of four kids - ages 9 to 15 - I have a hard time letting them out of my sight at all times. One would guess that keeping an eye on your kids would mean more to them now, but it seems like just the opposite.

Carl, Sophia, Micah, Lizzie, the other kids at the prison, the governor's girlfriends daughter (I forget her name) have all been seen wandering off alone.

The only thing I can say is they have been consistent with this "parenting miscue" since episode one.

I will say, it is a bit shocking when you think about how often these kids are alone - I know my kids would be attached to my hip if that ever happened.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
    Originally posted by Wpob
    You know I thought of that too and I wish I had an answer as to why children are left alone at all during this time but I can not come up with one. As a father of four kids - ages 9 to 15 - I have a hard time letting them out of my sight at all times. One would guess that keeping an eye on your kids would mean more to them now, but it seems like just the opposite.

    Carl, Sophia, Micah, Lizzie, the other kids at the prison, the governor's girlfriends daughter (I forget her name) have all been seen wandering off alone.

    The only thing I can say is they have been consistent with this "parenting miscue" since episode one.

    I will say, it is a bit shocking when you think about how often these kids are alone - I know my kids would be attached to my hip if that ever happened.


I'm not a parent, but I can tell you that the idea of "childhood" is fairly modern - up until about a hundred years ago, kids that age would have already been holding down several jobs of their own. In a world like The Walking Dead, you literally can't watch your kids all the time. Survival necessitates that they contribute, and that you leave them to their tasks while you carry out your own.

I have to eat crow and admit that I was wrong about Carol killing the people at the prison. I'm still not sure I like what they did with that, but the rest of the pieces really fell into place for me. The stuff with Lizzie and Mika has felt inevitable for a long time now, but the execution (so to speak) was spot on. The little girl playing Lizzie is, in fact, one of the best child actors I've ever seen, and her breakdown really sold the whole concept. I loved the idea of Mika, a child, being one of the few people on TWD to actually have an ethical, principled objection to killing, and I love the fact that even if she didn't, there's no way that she would have ever been prepared for her sister to murder her.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I have to eat crow and admit that I was wrong about Carol killing the people at the prison. I'm still not sure I like what they did with that, but the rest of the pieces really fell into place for me.


I was a big proponent of the theory that kids at least helped kill the Flu Two. I remember Rick flashing back to a small bloody handprint on the door, and I wonder if:
a) they retconned the killings; or
b) Carol hasn't told the whole story.

But I'm willing to accept Lone Gunman version and Carol as the culprit. The driving force for the kid theory was Lizzie's bizarre behavior, and this was addressed. I feel so bad for her and what the world did to her. We've seen others break mentally, and Lizzie is still of the age when rules are rules, and the entire world changed the rules on her.

This was a heartbreaking episode, and again Carol is in the middle of hard choices and hard actions. She, more than anyone else, exemplifies the erosion and refinement of character after the world ends. She's come the furthest and arguably lost the most.

Do we think Terminus was on fire? Do the survivors follow the tracks to the ruin of hope?



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.44

    Do we think Terminus was on fire? Do the survivors follow the tracks to the ruin of hope?


I'd bet that was the house that Daryl & Beth torched.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.25
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

      Do we think Terminus was on fire? Do the survivors follow the tracks to the ruin of hope?


    I'd bet that was the house that Daryl & Beth torched.

I thought this was the obvious answer but on Talking Dead Chris Hardwick (and Melissa McBride too, I think?) sure did try to make it seem like maybe that wasn't so obvious. I wonder if they're trying to cover up for what was supposed to be secret and mysterious or if there actually is another better answer out there.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
Superior acting by all around. The two little girls are going to be great actors if they keep it up, especially the girl who played Lizzie. Never thought I'd feel fear and feel empathy for one little girl before. That whole episode was so gutting I had to console myself afterwards with an entire thing of candy beans.

Carol in the show is a much greater character than comic book Carol, but I think that is credit to a maturing creator and a actress who can do more with the role.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24

I'm not a parent, but I can tell you that the idea of "childhood" is fairly modern - up until about a hundred years ago, kids that age would have already been holding down several jobs of their own. In a world like The Walking Dead, you literally can't watch your kids all the time. Survival necessitates that they contribute, and that you leave them to their tasks while you carry out your own.

I disagree. Back in the day, kids worked to help out in a family situation. Work the farm, help out at the store, raise the other kids. Sure accidents happen, but the world back then was simpler. in TWD, everyone is trying to stay alive. Walkers are trying to kill you and more than ever, you need to watch out for everyone.

In the prison, it was different. There was a fence and the appearance of safety. But in the woods, on a farm, children needed to be accounted for. You raise them differently now - like Carol has been trying to do - but you do not throw them in the deep end of the pool, walk away and say good luck. You train them, take them out on hunts or supply runs, but you always know where they are.





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It ain't the six minutes... it's what happens in that six minutes.
Tenken347
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
    Originally posted by Wpob

    I'm not a parent, but I can tell you that the idea of "childhood" is fairly modern - up until about a hundred years ago, kids that age would have already been holding down several jobs of their own. In a world like The Walking Dead, you literally can't watch your kids all the time. Survival necessitates that they contribute, and that you leave them to their tasks while you carry out your own.

    I disagree. Back in the day, kids worked to help out in a family situation. Work the farm, help out at the store, raise the other kids. Sure accidents happen, but the world back then was simpler. in TWD, everyone is trying to stay alive. Walkers are trying to kill you and more than ever, you need to watch out for everyone.

    In the prison, it was different. There was a fence and the appearance of safety. But in the woods, on a farm, children needed to be accounted for. You raise them differently now - like Carol has been trying to do - but you do not throw them in the deep end of the pool, walk away and say good luck. You train them, take them out on hunts or supply runs, but you always know where they are.




You're not wrong about them helping out the family, but they didn't just work the family businesses. Kids worked in mines, kids worked in factories - do a Google search on North Carolina textile mills and their child labor conditions. Kids were expected to earn their keep in much, much harsher conditions than we would ever allow them to now (in fact, in conditions that have specifically been outlawed). And irrespective of anything involving the show, I take real issue with the idea that life was simpler then. Life wasn't even simpler when I was a kid. Life is simpler, and safer, than it has ever been in human history. Hell, we're having an argument how many hundreds of miles away from each other, from the comforts of our own homes, about fictional characters on a television show. If we have not only the capacity for that, but also the time and inclination, our society must be doing something right.
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