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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.33
Rick, you so crazy. Everyone knows it now. He's being haunted by The Bloofer Lady from Dracula, which has to be Lori. But we'll get to that.

Woodbury's a total mess after the Ricktatorship's paramilitary assault on the town to rescue their people. The Governor lost control of the town, the people are panicked and scared, 7 townspeople are dead from gunfire or Walker attacks now that the Walkers were able to penetrate the gate from the hole Rick's people left behind. The Governor doesn't care anymore, but who can blame him after the stuff that happened to him - losing his eye and Michonne killing his Walker daughter.

It was weird to see Andrea, one of the outsiders who's been in the town for a cup of coffee, step up and reassure the people of Woodbury that Everything's Gonna Be Okay. But she did and it worked. So Andrea won her first primary in her campaign to be Lieutenant Governor. She also finally knows her friends were in town and the Governor kept it all from her to keep boning her. That's politics for you.

I think my favorite part of the episode was the rendezvous on the road when Glenn and Michonne met up with Rick, Daryl, Maggie, and Merle. Merle personally narrated the "Previously, on The Walking Dead..." for the group, delivering a lot of exposition with a hilarious amount of crudeness and racism. "My Nubian Queen..." Merle should just narrate the whole show like Ron Howard does on Arrested Development.

Tough blow to lose Daryl. I mean, really tough. Rick was gonna cry tough. You ever see Rick try that hard to keep someone from leaving the group? He practically pissed his pants when Daryl left. Glenn lost it. Carol was upset. We all miss Daryl, enough that Beth literally spelling it out to the audience that "We're weak without him" was unnecessary. We know, kid. Daryl is the most important person in Walking Dead World. He's worth five of the rest of you.

Not much else went on, really. The dilemma of Tyreese's group of wanting to stay and fearing being kicked out of prison was eh. Tyreese to me seems reasonable, a little too reasonable. If anyone told him about Oscar and T-Dog before him, he might not so keen to stay in Rick's group.

And now everyone knows Rick has cracked like an egg mentally and emotionally. Those phone calls to all the dead members of his group wasn't an isolated incident. Rick needs a padded cell, but if they find one and put him in there, at least Rick would be safe from Walkers, even if everyone else gets killed.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
Melissa McBride (Carol) has to be nominated for an Emmy next year. She is perfect every time. And Carol's perspective about Daryl's relationship with Merle is smart writing.

This episode wavered, but it's a breath-catcher after a big midseason finale. I give it some leeway.

Rick is making me think we'll see a variation on this next week.





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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
I like the direction they are going with Daryl. Daryl continues to look like the real hero by sticking with his family even though that might be the harder decision. Forcing Daryl's hand like that also continues to give the Ricktatorship (that's the first time I've heard it called that, I like it) shades of grey as far as the decisions they make.

The Dixon Brothers Adventures will probably be more fun without the rest of the group too.

As for the group being weaker, we'll see. Daryl essentially was filling the Tyreese role in the comic so if they can plug Daryl into the Tyreese role I don't see any reason they can't plug Tyreese into the Tyreese role.

If it doesn't work I'm sure Daryl will be back in the group in the finale or the premiere of next season.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Daryl is the most important person in Walking Dead World. He's worth five of the rest of you.


I'd actually say that Daryl is worth all of the rest of them. Walking Dead could be 60 minutes of Daryl looking at his watch, and I'd probably still watch it.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    The Dixon Brothers Adventures will probably be more fun without the rest of the group too.



Wonder if this ties in with the new video game coming out starring the Dixon Bros.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
    Originally posted by oudom
      Originally posted by Quezzy
      The Dixon Brothers Adventures will probably be more fun without the rest of the group too.



    Wonder if this ties in with the new video game coming out starring the Dixon Bros.


Last I heard, that game was a prequel for Daryl and Merle's Fantastic Adventures with Rick and T-Dogg.

It would certainly be a great bit of synergy (tm Jack Donaghy) to have them off duoing the zombie armies while a game is released where you play them doing basically the same thing at the start of the apocalypse.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.36
    Originally posted by oudom
    Wonder if this ties in with the new video game coming out starring the Dixon Bros.

As Tribal Prophet noted, it's a prequel. Although that backstory would do a lot to flesh out the reasons why Daryl is so adamant about sticking with his brother.




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.33
Ratings are in: Largest audience ever. (tvline.com) 12.3 million first airing, 16.6 million after encores. Zombies just keep getting more and more popular.

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    the Ricktatorship (that's the first time I've heard it called that, I like it)


"Ricktatorship" has been common parlance on Twitter since the end of season 2 and I've used it several times in my recaps this season. Which I guess you don't read...

(edited by John Orquiola on 11.2.13 1249)


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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.76
Maybe, it was the layoff that did this, but this episode felt cheesier than usual.

I know this show is on a budget, but they couldn't add a little more people to the angry mob in Woodbury just to flesh it out and make it feel less like a set?

I really hope Michone gets a deeper role than just angry glaring black woman. I have high hopes for Tyrese. This show really needs them.

I feel like the Governor should be a character that I enjoy. I think the actor is killing this role ... and not in a good way.

I still enjoy the show, but you can clearly see where they cut corners.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.33
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I know this show is on a budget, but they couldn't add a little more people to the angry mob in Woodbury just to flesh it out and make it feel less like a set?


I know what you mean. Since the first episode it was shown I've felt that the Town of Woodbury looked like a backlot set more than a real town. However, it's been established there are only about 70+ people in Woodbury, minus 7 now after all the recent deaths. I feel like that angry mob Andrea appeased was a fairly decent showing of about half that number.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      I know this show is on a budget, but they couldn't add a little more people to the angry mob in Woodbury just to flesh it out and make it feel less like a set?


    I know what you mean. Since the first episode it was shown I've felt that the Town of Woodbury looked like a backlot set more than a real town.


Didn't they show on "Talking Dead" last night that Main St. Woodbury is actually a *real* town they use to shoot in and not a set?



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My favorite episodes are always the ones when the zombies are shifted to the background and characters are allowed to hash it out. Because of that, this was probably one of my favorite hours of The Walking Dead.

I loved Rick going crazy at the end of the episode. I love that the writers made Tyrese relatable rather than the stereotypical black guy the show often whips out. I loved the little touches of humor peppered in throughout the episode (little asskicker, first black guy to ever break into a prison, etc.). I love that we're finally getting some character development for the minor roles.

I loved it all this week. I hope they can keep up the momentum for the rest of the season, because The Walking Dead is quickly becoming one of the top dramas on TV.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.12
The Ricktatorship is cracking. Even after bringing hell to Woodsbury, Rick losing Daryl then his mind as well as Tyreese's group is not good. The Governor walking in the midt while smiling as chaos surrounded him reminded me how much I am going to be pissed when the Emmys over look him for some twat on Mad Men or Homeland. Actually, the entire show is absolutely brilliant. I love how we went from action film to funny family squabble to local politics to utter madness in one hour.

I will say I love Kevin Smith on Talking Dead. They really need someone who is funny about it, because this show can be very depressing at times. The hour format has served them well so far until they have a non-fan there to plug a movie or tv show.

(edited by lotjx on 13.2.13 0601)


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#14 Posted on
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      I know this show is on a budget, but they couldn't add a little more people to the angry mob in Woodbury just to flesh it out and make it feel less like a set?


    I know what you mean. Since the first episode it was shown I've felt that the Town of Woodbury looked like a backlot set more than a real town. However, it's been established there are only about 70+ people in Woodbury, minus 7 now after all the recent deaths. I feel like that angry mob Andrea appeased was a fairly decent showing of about half that number.


I took the town's movie set look as just another part of the whole everything in Woodbury just seems to good to be true.

    Originally posted by turtlebayunlimited
    My favorite episodes are always the ones when the zombies are shifted to the background and characters are allowed to hash it out. Because of that, this was probably one of my favorite hours of The Walking Dead.



This was the first episode I noticed them having walkers just wandering around in the woods behind them. It was neat to see during the Glen/Rick arguement that there were walkers in the woods slowly coming toward them, but it never actually showed them interacting with the walkers.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.76
    Originally posted by turtlebayunlimited
    My favorite episodes are always the ones when the zombies are shifted to the background and characters are allowed to hash it out. Because of that, this was probably one of my favorite hours of The Walking Dead.




Boy do I disagree with this. I'll be the first to go out and say these characters need some depth, but this show has a track record of less zombies equally more whining and bickering which makes all these guys LESS likable, why do you think I grew so attached to T-Dogg.

    Originally posted by Above Average 1
    This was the first episode I noticed them having walkers just wandering around in the woods behind them. It was neat to see during the Glen/Rick argument that there were walkers in the woods slowly coming toward them, but it never actually showed them interacting with the walkers.


I like them in the background always lurking, but the zombies are always problems ... unless they're not. The consistency on how threatening they really are can turn on a dime based on the shows needs.

There also needs to be far more ammo issues. Everyone travels pretty light, but they just fire off rounds without a care.

I'm guessing we are about a year in since the zombies took over, but everyone still seems pretty well fed. I'm thinking food should be becoming an issue here soon too. Livestock has probably been destroyed, nobody is taking the time to grow anything and even canned food is only going to be good for so long.

Now if these were some of the issues people were fighting over, well okay I get it. But they are just fighting just to fight right now.

Woodbury takes out an armored patrol of National Guardsmen who made it that far, but can't handle Rick and a bunch of people who just learned to shoot?

I am still rooting for the zombies, until given a reason to root otherwise.

Okay, I'm done venting.



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 14.2.13 1900)
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.12
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by turtlebayunlimited
      My favorite episodes are always the ones when the zombies are shifted to the background and characters are allowed to hash it out. Because of that, this was probably one of my favorite hours of The Walking Dead.




    Boy do I disagree with this. I'll be the first to go out and say these characters need some depth, but this show has a track record of less zombies equally more whining and bickering which makes all these guys LESS likable, why do you think I grew so attached to T-Dogg.

      Originally posted by Above Average 1
      This was the first episode I noticed them having walkers just wandering around in the woods behind them. It was neat to see during the Glen/Rick argument that there were walkers in the woods slowly coming toward them, but it never actually showed them interacting with the walkers.


    I like them in the background always lurking, but the zombies are always problems ... unless they're not. The consistency on how threatening they really are can turn on a dime based on the shows needs.

    There also needs to be far more ammo issues. Everyone travels pretty light, but they just fire off rounds without a care.

    I'm guessing we are about a year in since the zombies took over, but everyone still seems pretty well fed. I'm thinking food should be becoming an issue here soon too. Livestock has probably been destroyed, nobody is taking the time to grow anything and even canned food is only going to be good for so long.

    Now if these were some of the issues people were fighting over, well okay I get it. But they are just fighting just to fight right now.

    Woodbury takes out an armored patrol of National Guardsmen who made it that far, but can't handle Rick and a bunch of people who just learned to shoot?

    I am still rooting for the zombies, until given a reason to root otherwise.

    Okay, I'm done venting.



    (edited by BigDaddyLoco on 14.2.13 1900)


Ok, here is where you are wrong.

1. The ammo issue. I would be with you in season 1 and 2 even with Rick's bag of holding infinite guns and ammo. Yet, they just got broke into a fucking prison. A federal one by the looks of it loaded for bear. Even Woodsbury looks to have a gun and ammo place they took over. I have no issue with the ammo problem since if you have ever walked into a prison and a Bob's Army and Navy, they are loaded for bear. Plus, when they cleared out the prison it was mostly melee weapons.

2. Food. Yeah, forgot how many fatties are on the team. Oh wait, there isn't any. Even if they were, they still broke into a prison where it was clearly stated that they had more than enough. Hershel even talked about farming in the premiere episode. In the comics they do farm, but that will not see the light of due to the break neck speed this season is taking. The Governor even said Woodsbury was living the good life due to having electricity to have freezers. Both sides have realistic ways to keep feed.

3. Rick's team is full bad asses. Even CM Punk said Woodsbury was not even close to being ready for the wraith of the Ricktatorship. We have seen this group grow from a rag tag group of survivors running from one place to another to a force of nature. I honestly believe Rick is the reincarnation of every king from Sparta. We also got big hints Woodsbury was people that were too clean living to be able to handle anything like Team Rick. The girl, Maggie shot up, was one of their best shots and she was terrible. The Governor's henchmen minus Meryl are probably not survivalist as they are hoods who like to play with guns. It was painfully obvious in last week's episode that they need someone to lead them. Also, the element surprise is a huge tactical advantage. Glenn's plan to go back next week will not work, I can assure you of that.

4. One Zombie < Team Rick. In season one, one zombie would be a problem for one of them, now its not. Why, because they have grown. They know what to do against one zombie and even against a few. A horde, they are useless against. Its still too many for them to fight. Yet, one zombie is not a problem for a well armed group of three to four people or even a good chunk of them. They have evolved into better fighters.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.76
    Originally posted by lotjx
    3. Rick's team is full bad asses. Even CM Punk said Woodsbury was not even close to being ready for the wraith of the Ricktatorship. We have seen this group grow from a rag tag group of survivors running from one place to another to a force of nature. I honestly believe Rick is the reincarnation of every king from Sparta. We also got big hints Woodsbury was people that were too clean living to be able to handle anything like Team Rick. The girl, Maggie shot up, was one of their best shots and she was terrible. The Governor's henchmen minus Meryl are probably not survivalist as they are hoods who like to play with guns. It was painfully obvious in last week's episode that they need someone to lead them. Also, the element surprise is a huge tactical advantage. Glenn's plan to go back next week will not work, I can assure you of that.


Those hoods that play with guns took out a fully armored army unit with no problem. You can't go from a unit that can do that to a group of Storm Troopers who can't shoot straight. The only thing that was painfully obvious to me is that the foes of team Rick are wildly inconsistent.

As far as food and ammo go we can believe what we want since a lot goes unexplained. They aren't farming, they mentioned it but they aren't doing it,it doesn't matter what the comic said it is a non factor here. So, they are living off the never ending supply of canned food, ramen and whatever rodent Daryl catches.

You missed my point on the zombies but you are lotjx and that is what you do.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.12
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by lotjx
      3. Rick's team is full bad asses. Even CM Punk said Woodsbury was not even close to being ready for the wraith of the Ricktatorship. We have seen this group grow from a rag tag group of survivors running from one place to another to a force of nature. I honestly believe Rick is the reincarnation of every king from Sparta. We also got big hints Woodsbury was people that were too clean living to be able to handle anything like Team Rick. The girl, Maggie shot up, was one of their best shots and she was terrible. The Governor's henchmen minus Meryl are probably not survivalist as they are hoods who like to play with guns. It was painfully obvious in last week's episode that they need someone to lead them. Also, the element surprise is a huge tactical advantage. Glenn's plan to go back next week will not work, I can assure you of that.


    Those hoods that play with guns took out a fully armored army unit with no problem. You can't go from a unit that can do that to a group of Storm Troopers who can't shoot straight. The only thing that was painfully obvious to me is that the foes of team Rick are wildly inconsistent.

    As far as food and ammo go we can believe what we want since a lot goes unexplained. They aren't farming, they mentioned it but they aren't doing it,it doesn't matter what the comic said it is a non factor here. So, they are living off the never ending supply of canned food, ramen and whatever rodent Daryl catches.

    You missed my point on the zombies but you are lotjx and that is what you do.


No, I didn't miss the point, you just didn't like the answers. A single zombie is no longer a threat to a group who has to fight them every other day. The hordes are. Its pretty simple. Those stormtroopers had the element of surprise to kill the army guys. They got had by their tricks when Rick did to them. Rick was also attacking them minus the escape during times when there were small numbers of them or distracted by zombie fights. They also killed a member of Rick's party, so its not like Rick's team go out unscathed. All of them ended up pretty banged up, but still lived, because they used the same elements that the bad guys used.

I will not say its not a never ending amount of food and ammo, but you are talking about a prison that houses probably hundreds of people, its now down to 10 to 12 people. There are going to be massive leftovers even if the freezer doesn't work.

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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I like them in the background always lurking, but the zombies are always problems ... unless they're not. The consistency on how threatening they really are can turn on a dime based on the shows needs.


The zombie's are the island on which the characters are stranded. And up until now, the main threat was the internal struggle over the leadership of the group. Now that''s resolved...

So here's how I see it - Rick and the Governor are different sides of the same coin. That was the point of Hershel's 'you needs to start trusting people' speech. If Rick doesn't, if he is only about the insularity and protection of the group, then he becomes the Governor - a sadistic fascist who completely breaks from reality in order to serve his own psychotic needs and keeps a row of fishtank zombie heads on his wall.

And the context of the Rictator's badassory is limited to our view. What's becoming clearer over time is that many groups have tried to maintain cohesion, but very few have survived. And those that have survived for even a little while eventually self-destructed. We've only seen two groups survive - the Rictator and the Governor.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.37
It's been, what, about 1 year since the rise of the zombies? How much food would the prison have on hand during normal times? Factor in no restocking, along with survivors living off the remaining food before Rick & The Gang got there, and I find it hard to believe the prison still has this huge stockpile of food there.

And I'm fine with the show pushing the zombies to the background. Zombies aren't the biggest threat to people, it's other people.



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