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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
Shit happens.

There wasn't a moment in the episode upon meeting the gaggle of prisoners that I didn't hate them and want them dead. Obviously, their leader I wanted the most dead. I imagine the Ricktatorship felt the same way. They meet people in Walking Dead World, other survivors, and they have to instantly evaluate their threat level, whether they can possibly fit in with and benefit the group. They all got incredibly lucky when they met Hershel and his family and got to spend all those weeks on the farm (complaints of the impatient audience aside, it was a boon for the characters).

Those prisoners, man, even Handlebar Mustache, who seemed like he was basically all right, they had to go. Rick knew this instantly. He used them pretty well to clear out the other cell block of Walkers. Best case scenario, he left them there like he intended, locked away from his group, but they'd still be a threat to his group. As it turns out, he got an even better case scenario: The worst ones got dead. Machete to the head on the Stringy Haired Wifebeater Prisoner was amazing. And sick. And, in the context of right and wrong on this show, it was the right thing to do. No good would have come with letting that particular guy live.

The "prison riot shit" with the prisoners doing everything the exact opposite of how Rick, Daryl, and T-Dog briefed them on Walker killing really highlighted how good Rick's team is at this point, by experience and necessity. Big Tiny, the big dope, had to wander off and break formation. Rick chasing after the other black prisoner made no sense but locking him outside in the pen with the Walkers was cold. But hey, shit happens.

This show, though, man. We had a beautifully acted scene by Lauren Cohan as Maggie tearfully prepared to let Hershel shuffle off this mortal coil into Walkerville, and it was touching and lovely, and the whole damn time I'm holding my breath waiting for Hershel to turn and attack her. And then it doesn't happen and the scene ends and we can breathe again. And then later, Lori does an amazingly stupid thing, giving Hershel mouth to mouth and we get the Walker Attack Scare as a false alarm! Oh man, for a second, I thought they killed Lori.

I liked Carl a lot in this episode. He's finding niches for himself, benefiting the group, and maybe he is a little insane these days, but how can he not be? At least he's competent and got something important done on his own initiative.

I have to praise Lauren Cohan, though. Even last season but especially tonight, she's a spectacular actor. Easily one of the best on the show along with Andrew Lincoln. Cohan as Maggie has been a great addition to the cast.

When Carol started undressing the Walking girl to practice giving a C-section, thank the good lord The Walking Dead spared us a glimpse of Walker vagina. That's something I couldn't have dealt with.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
I think I may have legitimately marked out for the MACHETE TO THE DOME~! Not just because the guy deserved it, but because I didn't think Rick had it in him.

Of course, to add to the "unlikability" factor, Rick being a cop probably gave him a sense that these guys were locked away in prison for a reason, so there's definitely plenty of reason to keep them as far away from the group as possible. Is that a harsh assessment? Maybe. But you don't get the luxury of "morality" in the middle of an apocalypse.

The scene with Big Tiny and the scene after with Lori's CPR stunt made me wonder if we aren't going to get a similar scene later on in the season? One where Rick will have to decide whether he needs to kill Lori himself after she gets bit?


    Rick chasing after the other black prisoner made no sense but locking him outside in the pen with the Walkers was cold. But hey, shit happens.

Based on his reaction, Rick had to chase after him, otherwise he could come back after him down the line. Better to take him down now than risk anything else happening later.

I was fully prepared for Herschel to bite it this episode. Even after he opened his eyes, I still kept waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm still not convinced it won't.

Looking forward to The Governor's long-awaited debut next week!

(edited by It's False on 21.10.12 2345)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.64
I liked Big Tiny. I thought he was going to be our surrogate Tyreese.

I was thinking he could play the Boys' Mother's Milk in a movie:

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
Herschel almost gave us the spinoff, The Limping Dead.

[EDIT:The Hopping Dead is better.]

Remember three season ago when all Rick wanted was to keep his family together and use Lori as his anchor on reality? That's not who he is now, and tonight made that clear and painful. Rick also has no one to emotionally support him as he kills people. Even with Lori's blessing earlier in the show, he is dying inside alongside each of his necessary victims, and he knows how far he's come since running through Atlanta to find his wife and son.

Could no one pull Carl aside for a high five? He completed a major side mission for this level all by himself. He can't even win points with The Other Herschel Daughter?

Daryl pulls an arrow from a zombie head and later puts it in his mouth to arm the crossbow as the prisoners walked toward their block. People are getting casual about zombie blood exposure on this show, and it creeps me out.

Also, honestly, I don't miss Shane at all. And he was one of my favorites.

(edited by Matt Tracker on 22.10.12 0609)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.17
Great episode, and some of the stuff from the comic that I was worried about showing up is changing just enough to keep me happy. Rick's execution of the prisoners seemed much more justified, and the setup with the helicopter from the preview for next week makes a lot more sense. All the stuff with Herschel was pure dynamite, and I really liked the super-awkward scene with Rick and Lori. By the way, can anyone tell me why Carl's pissed off at Lori? Because I legitimately have no idea. It's just the status quo they established at the start of the season.

Incidentally, successful or not, Carl's plan was just plain stupid. A solo mission by any member of the group is a really bad plan with an extremely high risk of failure and death. When Daryl went off on his own last season, he almost died, and he's way tougher and more experienced than Carl. I appreciate that he's trying to be helpful, and is therefore much more tolerable than last season, but rushing into stuff alone is not the best policy.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Incidentally, successful or not, Carl's plan was just plain stupid. A solo mission by any member of the group is a really bad plan with an extremely high risk of failure and death. When Daryl went off on his own last season, he almost died, and he's way tougher and more experienced than Carl. I appreciate that he's trying to be helpful, and is therefore much more tolerable than last season, but rushing into stuff alone is not the best policy.


Smart, it is not. But Carl showing gumption and being productive is an improvement. Plus, he survived the Otis shooting last year so he's kinda invulnerable right now. if you've got a character that would've died already if he was going to, he has to bring something to the party. And Carl literally did.

It's arguable that he saved Herschel's life, which makes them even, a point I hope he mentions next week. Carl pays his debts. Word is bond.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    By the way, can anyone tell me why Carl's pissed off at Lori? Because I legitimately have no idea.


You don't? Guess not, since you basically just turned into Lori:

    Originally posted by Tenken347

    Incidentally, successful or not, Carl's plan was just plain stupid. A solo mission by any member of the group is a really bad plan with an extremely high risk of failure and death. When Daryl went off on his own last season, he almost died, and he's way tougher and more experienced than Carl. I appreciate that he's trying to be helpful, and is therefore much more tolerable than last season, but rushing into stuff alone is not the best policy.


Thanks, Mom. This speech is probably what Lori was about to say before Carl stormed off. Therefore, Carl is also pissed at you.

Carl is a 12 year old boy on his second life whose father is an action hero and he is living in a zombie apocalypse. That's all the explanation you need for why he acts the way he does.

(edited by John Orquiola on 22.10.12 0759)

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
AMC is back on Dish, (vulture.com) lotjx and everyone else affected by this.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.64
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Rick's execution of the prisoners seemed much more justified,


I'll always be in the Rick shot first camp. It was just as obvious that his group was dead in the comic if he didn't do something. It just wasn't as obvious as throwing a walker on him.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.46
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    AMC is back on Dish, (vulture.com) lotjx and everyone else affected by this.


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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Daryl pulls an arrow from a zombie head and later puts it in his mouth to arm the crossbow as the prisoners walked toward their block. People are getting casual about zombie blood exposure on this show, and it creeps me out.

I've been thinking about this. I chalk it up to being part of the post-"We're all infected" world. Zombie bites and scratches cause wounds that lead to the infection that kills/turns, but maybe exposure to zombie blood itself doesn't actually do anything.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    I've been thinking about this. I chalk it up to being part of the post-"We're all infected" world. Zombie bites and scratches cause wounds that lead to the infection that kills/turns, but maybe exposure to zombie blood itself doesn't actually do anything.


The amputation of Herschel's leg suggests they can become zombies from non-lethal attacks. So there are two types of zombies: the converted living and the walking dead. Unless the show suggests that the zombie bite will kill you through super-infection, and if that's the case, then all this shoulder-kissing and item biting could create a cumulative super-infection. Maybe?

I dunno. It's just oogy.





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.64
We all have the virus that reanimates us when we die.

I assume it spread quickly through the world (see: Contagion), but it doesn't actually manifest itself until people die.

Also, this is why the outbreak spread so quickly. It didn't spread, I assume that in a single day zombies popped up in multiple areas as people died.

A zombie bite/scratch is supposed to basically kill you. As a sickness. Like germs in the blood that make you sick.

I'm not sure why things ingested that eventually enter the bloodstream DON'T kill people.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.06
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    So there are two types of zombies: the converted living and the walking dead. Unless the show suggests that the zombie bite will kill you through super-infection, and if that's the case, then all this shoulder-kissing and item biting could create a cumulative super-infection. Maybe?


My recollection from the CDC and Jenner - which I'll admit is foggy - is that something in the scratch/bite killed the brain, but something else reactivated it. They're pretty vague as to all of this, though...

I find the whole scratch thing a bit tough to believe, as it seems like all of them have had close enough calls with zombies that scratches should be common place. I really thought it was premature to off that one prisoner when he basically said he felt fine and there wasn't any evidence yet that he was infected. Plus, they could have easily waited to see if he died first before commencing with the brain smashing (granted, not Rick's decision, but...).

Everyone has covered pretty much everything that I loved about this episode. I will say this - I think Rick locking that prisoner in zombie courtyard was REALLY cold - and it was the Shane-iest move Rick has made thus far. That guy was pretty much running for his life as it was, so leaving him out there was pretty f'd up.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.17
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by Tenken347
      By the way, can anyone tell me why Carl's pissed off at Lori? Because I legitimately have no idea.


    You don't? Guess not, since you basically just turned into Lori:

      Originally posted by Tenken347

      Incidentally, successful or not, Carl's plan was just plain stupid. A solo mission by any member of the group is a really bad plan with an extremely high risk of failure and death. When Daryl went off on his own last season, he almost died, and he's way tougher and more experienced than Carl. I appreciate that he's trying to be helpful, and is therefore much more tolerable than last season, but rushing into stuff alone is not the best policy.


    Thanks, Mom. This speech is probably what Lori was about to say before Carl stormed off. Therefore, Carl is also pissed at you.

    Carl is a 12 year old boy on his second life whose father is an action hero and he is living in a zombie apocalypse. That's all the explanation you need for why he acts the way he does.

    (edited by John Orquiola on 22.10.12 0759)


Those are fighting words and you know it, John. Lori. However, like a broken clock, she is occasionally right. It was not wise decision-making from Carl. If I was his mom, he'd have gotten five across the eyes for running off, and another five for his sassy mouth.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Those are fighting words and you know it, John. Lori. However, like a broken clock, she is occasionally right. It was not wise decision-making from Carl. If I was his mom, he'd have gotten five across the eyes for running off, and another five for his sassy mouth.


Lori was just mad that she forgot to watch Carl. Glen, Maggie, Carol, and Beth were watching Herschel. She didn't have to, not so closely that she couldn't also keep an eye on her boy.

Of course she wants Herschel to stay alive and help her with the baby. But she can't neglect the child she already has. Carol, who did lose a child who ran off, didn't give him grief.

I'm just so proud of Carl. Give that boy his own 50-pound bag of bread crumbs.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
Rick has been needing a big moment like that for quite awhile now, good for him.

This is by far the most graphic human on human violence episode thus far, no? Little tiny and the machete to the head were both pretty brutal.

Two episodes in and I'm still behind the survivors where last year I was always heavily behind the zombies.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.95
This season has been awesome so far. To me, I watch this like I watch Breaking bad - I can;t believe an hour goes by so fast and I cannot WAIT until next week. All the problems I had with season two are a distant memory.

And the machete to the head - WOW - I did not see that coming. That was awesome and well deserved.

Any idea who it was watching Carol through the trees?



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.16
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Daryl pulls an arrow from a zombie head and later puts it in his mouth to arm the crossbow as the prisoners walked toward their block. People are getting casual about zombie blood exposure on this show, and it creeps me out.

    I've been thinking about this. I chalk it up to being part of the post-"We're all infected" world. Zombie bites and scratches cause wounds that lead to the infection that kills/turns, but maybe exposure to zombie blood itself doesn't actually do anything.


They have covered themselves in zombie guts a couple of times to mask their smell, so it seems as if skin contact doesn't cause zombification. If we are going with the HIV model, the chances of infection in the mouth without an open sore or abscess are pretty slim. However blood to blood contact, like a deep bite or scratch, has a pretty high chance of infection. Don't even get me started on the risks associated with zombie sex.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
I believe the amputation was more to stop general lethal infection than it being getting the zombitis.
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