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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.14
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Barnaggedon is in the comics. However, that was the end of the farm storyline. So, the crew on the barn is now getting into a new phase where the comics never were. I do think we will get back on track due to the fans constantly bugging Rickman about certain characters he has admitted on Talking Dead, he is now annoyed enough to write them in.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
The show has been putting "about" 1 comic per one show. The comic is almost at 100. I doubt the show will ever catch up.

The show is sort of a complete abomination of the comic. The comic is near perfect and they are constantly throwing things out of the comic and making up new stuff (that isn't as good) to go in there.

There were zombies in the barn in the comic, but there was no missing girl to be in there. There's new characters, there's characters alive that should be dead, etc.

They didn't go to the stupid ass CDC!

It can be a pretty infuriating show, really.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.39
    Originally posted by theremin
    The show has been putting "about" 1 comic per one show. The comic is almost at 100. I doubt the show will ever catch up.

    The show is sort of a complete abomination of the comic. The comic is near perfect and they are constantly throwing things out of the comic and making up new stuff (that isn't as good) to go in there.

    There were zombies in the barn in the comic, but there was no missing girl to be in there. There's new characters, there's characters alive that should be dead, etc.

    They didn't go to the stupid ass CDC!

    It can be a pretty infuriating show, really.


It's one thing if you find fault with the show for things the show does as a show, but I don't understand the insistent "It's not like the comics!" complaint.

Yes, The Walking Dead is adapted from the comics and based on the comics. But they never claimed it would be a shot by shot translation of the comics. Never.

Plus Robert Kirkman himself is a writer and producer so it's not like they are disrespecting the material and its creator.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.14
    Originally posted by theremin
    The show has been putting "about" 1 comic per one show. The comic is almost at 100. I doubt the show will ever catch up.

    The show is sort of a complete abomination of the comic. The comic is near perfect and they are constantly throwing things out of the comic and making up new stuff (that isn't as good) to go in there.

    There were zombies in the barn in the comic, but there was no missing girl to be in there. There's new characters, there's characters alive that should be dead, etc.

    They didn't go to the stupid ass CDC!

    It can be a pretty infuriating show, really.


I sorta disagree. Yes, the comics are awesome and all going into Rick's storyline. Yet, if they went by the book for everything then everyone would know the story. They are doing a better job filling out people like Shane, Hershel, Maggie and Carl. Also no Darryl, so the TV show wins. Yes, I know about HER, but I would take Darryl over HER.

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
I'm pretty sure she is going to show up soon, and I DO love Darryl. Merle on the other hand (the reason I even brought up the comic book) seems a stupid caricature. If he turns out to be the Governer, I'm going to be even more annoyed.

The trip to the old folks home last season, the trip to the CDC. Bad changes. Running around for half a season looking for Sophia, also a bad change.

Fleshing out Shane's character is also, I think, a bad idea. From the parts added at the beginning to his continued deviation from the story line.

It's great that Kirkman is writing this show and all, but don't think that studio interference can't possibly be an issue also. I mean, reportedly AMC asked for "more inside scenes", due to budget. And I'm sure Kirkman isn't going to be like, "yeah, it's great and exactly what I want, except for this sucks, etc. etc.".

I love adaptations that are done right, and changes that are thoughtful well done. In my opinion a lot of the changes are not working.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.47
I did not read the comic, but is there a nonspoiler way to tell us what changes the show has made that are working?
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
I really feel like I want to go back and read the early issues again. It's been a long time. Here are some starters, with some help from some websites.

1) First off, it's video, so that right there makes another element that is better. It's great to see some of these things on screen to begin with, and I think almost all of the acting is great. I think the dialog is pretty well written to. If you're gonna steer the plot to what I think is off course, at least they're doing it in a really great manner.

2) Darryl, as mentioned, is great.

3) That opening scene with the little girl zombie.

4) I don't think the dude from Jericho's ending was in the comic. I think they just parted ways. While I'm not happy he went out, it was really well done.

5) The tank.


I feel like, they haven't deviated as much in the second season, and while I wouldn't say a lot of the current changes are "better", I thought that the changes in Shane and Otis going to pick up equipment, Hershel running to the bar and his retrieval, and meeting the two guys in the bar are all things that are fine and make sense.

Most of my current problems with deviations involve things left over from the first season (mostly, a certain character still being alive, and another character dealing with having killed them.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
I'm not kidding, I hate the comic. I'm much happier with the story of the tv show and the development of the characters. I can understand wanting to stick with the show to see if it gets back closer to the stuff you like, but honestly, if you don't like the show very much, you should do like I did with the comic and just give up on it.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.38
I've given up on the TV show. It's alright, but not something I look forward to watching. I just can't stand the long period of silence or inaction. Everybody is constantly brooding. I understand that's a realistic reaction, but it doesn't make for compelling TV. This type of story works better in a book since you can read at your own pace. The situation is terrible and nobody knows what to do... Ok, got it, now let's move on. I don't need to sit there and agonize through it with the characters. I watch TV to have fun, not be depressed.

The deviations from the book haven't been terrible, but I think the book's story would have been better suited for TV. I understand why that one character did not kill that other character, because it further an interesting dynamic that TV audiences can relate to. But the shock value and sheer desperation that it created in the book was one of the driving forces for the early storylines.

Also the CDC was a complete waste of time. I think the show's writers knew it too since they have all but erased it from the current plot.

When (If?) my favorite character eventually shows up, I'll probably watch a few more episodes and reassess. But, I don't think much can be done to fix what I perceive to be wrong with this show.

One final comment: at this point in the plot, Book Rick is far more interesting than TV Rick. TV Rick is almost one-dimensional whereas Book Rick's evolution into the fascinating character he becomes is already well on its way.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.82
    Originally posted by emma
      Originally posted by theremin
      Have people here read the comic?
    I haven't, although it seems like pretty much everybody that goes on Talking Dead has. I assume that the comic is still chronologically some amount ahead of the show. I've gotten the impression that the show pretty much follows the comic, & that's the strategy for the forseeable future. (Was Banrmageddon in the comic?) I'm pleasantly surprised, although a little bit baffled, that there hasn't been a significant spoiler problem from that.


As a longtime reader of the comic, I will say that the show seems to be "roughly" following the arc of the comic. "Barnmageddon" did take place in the comics but under slightly different circumstances. As the "timeline" goes, the show is around issue 11 of the comic (or near the end of the 2nd Trade Paperback collection for those of you who wouldn't be caught dead reading a comic book). To give you some perspective on how far "behind" the show is from that, issue 93 of the comic was recently released (and 15 volumes of collections of the series are out there as well).

As far as spoilers go, I think by and large, people who read the comic have known for a long time how good it was and are trying their best not to spoil the adventure for those of you who are experiencing it in a new medium. The show has consistently surprised me by some of its developments while still going (kind of) where the comic went. I think part of the fun for readers is knowing the comic fate of certain characters or the things that happen to them and wondering if the show will do the same with them and having that "whoa" factor when they do, don't, or go in a different direction with them. (I edited and re-edited myself for quite some time over writing this because I am really afraid of giving things away or setting expectations for things to come in some wrong way for instance).

A lot of times you'll hear people say about movie/tv adaptations "the book was better" and that's absolutely true in this case, but the show is quite good in its own way too and the readers are getting the chance to enjoy and "share" the experience with non-readers (although I cannot recommend reading the comic enough - it's phenomenal).



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
In the end, going to the old folk's home, or the CDC, or to pick up supplies for Carl are just slight wastes of time that aren't originally in the comic book.

The lack of one singular event happening is the one thing that's really wrong. And it's not wrong because it didn't happen, it's wrong because it stopped some character development from happening that I feel is pretty crucial to what's at the heart of the walking dead.

It's funny, during the first season, I accidentally spoiled this change to someone that was overhearing a conversation between me and someone else. Of course, it turns out it wasn't actually a spoiler!

I have been hearing some major spoilers about someone dying soon that shouldn't be, and it's making me more mad/sad. The fact that it's over some stupid contract dispute or personal problem with the actor makes it even worse.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.39
Fans of the comic should be pretty psyched. Big Casting News (deadline.com)



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.71
    Originally posted by theremin
    In the end, going to the old folk's home, or the CDC, or to pick up supplies for Carl are just slight wastes of time that aren't originally in the comic book.

    The lack of one singular event happening is the one thing that's really wrong. And it's not wrong because it didn't happen, it's wrong because it stopped some character development from happening that I feel is pretty crucial to what's at the heart of the walking dead.

    It's funny, during the first season, I accidentally spoiled this change to someone that was overhearing a conversation between me and someone else. Of course, it turns out it wasn't actually a spoiler!

    I have been hearing some major spoilers about someone dying soon that shouldn't be, and it's making me more mad/sad. The fact that it's over some stupid contract dispute or personal problem with the actor makes it even worse.


For fucks sake if you hate what the producers of a TELEVISION show are doing to your precious memories of a fucking BOOK, stop fucking watching, and stop fucking complaining.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    For fucks sake if you hate what the producers of a TELEVISION show are doing to your precious memories of a fucking BOOK, stop fucking watching, and stop fucking complaining.
You, uh, MIGHT be overreacting here.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.71
Sorry, that's just one of my pet peeves, when people bitch that the movie/show isn't like (take your pick) the original, the british version, the book, the comic, etc.
4 posts by the guy in the thread, ALL saying griping about how the show isn't scene for scene just like the book just bothered me.

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
Try reading and comprehending the thread. One whole post was about the ways in which the show is better.
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I enjoyed it even though I thought it lacked the impact the RTD finale and even last year's finale. The Brigadier's death was a nice gesture on their part. I am not sure of the Doctor being hidden is a good idea.
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