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John Orquiola
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Since: 28.2.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
"We're all infected."

There we go. Mystery solved in one three word sentence. I liked Hershel's line about Christ and rising from the dead but this not being what he had in mind. So everyone in Walking Dead World is basically a Walker waiting to happen. Bleak. Fucking bleak.

Farmageddon, though, was awesome. About half the episode was all-out zombie fighting and survival as the farm was irrevocably overrun by Walkers. Why, in their own way, the Walkers bought the farm.

Hershel was pretty bad ass with his Unlimited Rounds Shotgun that only needed reloading for a Dramatic Moment Where Rick Saves Him From Dying While He Reloads. I pegged Hershel to die for his farm like he intended to, but he's also ridiculously valuable - Rick's not a doctor, none of the group is a doctor. The only one who even comes close is Herschel.

I also pegged Maggie and/or Glenn to die, but no, they made a dramatic and romantic getaway together. Plus Glenn finally said, "I love you." One suspects that's more than AJ will ever get from Daniel Bryan. Meanwhile, Daryl was super bad ass, riding in on his motorcycle to save Carol. For weeks, Daryl had been silently supplanting Shane as the best character on the show, but now he is definitively the best and coolest guy in The Walking Dead.

Hershel's family got whittled down some more - he lost his son and the daughter who wasn't suicidal. Watching her sister get eaten by Walkers right before her eyes as she held her hand is probably going to bring thoughts of suicide right back. And sadly, Dale's RV is lost for good. Nothing left of Dale to remember him by.

The Andrea story was pretty amazing, with her on her own popping Walkers in the head with pinpoint accuracy while she escaped through the woods. The end though, where she was saved by the hooded figure with the katana and two armless man-things chained to it was a real WTF for non-comic book readers. Seriously, what the fuck was that?!?!

Lori, mother of the year, finally realized she couldn't keep track of Carl and then finally came to what seemed like a realization he loved Shane. Maybe more than she did Rick. I don't know how you're supposed to look at Lori and not see her as a pretty despicable villain, but luckily I have no inclination to try. I really, really hate her.

And we have Rick, trying to hold the group together and forced to admit twice that he killed Shane, and then telling the group everyone's infected. Rick laid down the law: "This isn't a democracy any more!" It's a #Ricktatorship as mentioned on @GlenMazzara's live Tweet.

I watched the episode on a crappy hotel TV that had really crappy resolution. I couldn't make out anything in the final shot reveal, so please tell me what the wide shot was of as the music crescendo'd and the episode faded out.

Lastly, I like The Walking Dead and I love Mad Men, but those commercials trying to get viewers of the former to watch the other because They're So Similar! were atrocious, AMC.



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Since: 12.2.02
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.46
The wide pan shot showed a ridiculously well-fortified compound in the not-too-far-off distance.

Man, that was a crazy episode that delivered hot zombie action in spades.




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Since: 2.1.02
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Hershel's family got whittled down some more - he lost his son and the daughter who wasn't suicidal.
Jimmy wasn't Hershel's son, he was Beth's boyfriend. She didn't seem too into him, though, judging from her non-reaction tonight. Also, a couple of weeks ago, when she was being suicidal, Beth said something like, "We've been dating for three months and now I'm supposed to be married to him?"

It never fails to amaze me how lousy this show can be at establishing who people are and what they are like.

Rick was in terrible form tonight. Firstly, he's completely wrong about holding back The Secret from the others. If Beth had succeeded in her suicide bid, she could have taken down others after turning -- caretaker Lori, for instance, who would have been taken completely by surprise. And if Shane had known, he could've put down Randall for good, and Randall wouldn't have tried to eat Glenn and Daryl. Rick's decision to not tell them put everyone in peril.

Secondly, dude, START with the "self-defense" explanation. Don't ramble on about how Shane was a weirdo and then fail to get to the part where Shane pulled a gun on you and said "I am going to kill you now!" You look crazy and awful.

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Since: 27.2.03
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
Fuck no, not the fucking ninja. That was the one thing from the comics that I kept hoping, and hoping, and hoping never made it to tv, and here it is. In answer to your question, John, that was a prison at the end of the episode, which is a major set piece from the comics, but another thing I don't really like. As much as people were complaining about the farm this season, the prison is a major case of "We're in a secure location now, let's do mundane things for a long time."

It's not all negativity from me this week, though. I also enjoyed Farmaggedon, especially Andrea who has majorly won me over in recent weeks. What I liked best was the part at the beginning, showing how the herd was the same group from Atlanta, which was the same herd from the highway. They've just been following Rick's group on foot, and it's taken them two seasons to finally catch up.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
So are the zombies "migrating" as Glenn said?

Or are they just really good human trackers?......Slow.....but really good.





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Since: 8.5.03
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
Good episode. Good progression for Rick's character, although one wonders how much softening of stances will occur once people sleep/eat/catch their breath.

I appreciate that when someone gets got by zombies, it's horrific and prolonged. Unlike magical movie/TV gunshots, people don't simply fall over and die. They suffer.

There's Lori, once again, asking Daryl to go find her men. Only this time, Daryl agreed immediately because he's a decent guy AND he knew Shane was a danger to Rock.

I liked the callbacks to Atlanta and the highway.

I know virtually nothing about the jedi woman, but that was an awesome image, and a Google search shows it's almost exactly what was seen in the comics:





The Lovely Mrs. Tracker debating dropping the series, but the last episodes may have won her back.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
Ugh, Michonne.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    So are the zombies "migrating" as Glenn said?

    Or are they just really good human trackers?......Slow.....but really good.


From the comic:

“That shot I just fired was heard in all directions for a long damn distance. Two miles? Three? Fuck if I know—but a long damn way. Let me tell you how the world works since you fuckers don’t seem to have been paying attention for the last goddamn year of hell on earth we’ve been living. Every rotten dead-alive fuck who just heard that shot is going to get up and start following that sound. That sound means people and people means MEAT. Some of them are close, and may actually make it to this area since you’ve decided on a stationary camp—that’s a problem. Most of them can’t walk a straight line and are as dumb as a post—they’ll lose interest or walk off in the wrong damn direction. But sometimes… not every time… one will walk by another one—and that one will get up and follow. Then they’ll meet more and they’ll meet more and more and more and more. You see where I’m going? They’ll form a big group—and sometimes these groups will encounter another group—and they’ll merge. What you end up with is hundreds of these undead fucks—walking, nonstop, following a sound they’ve all forgotten. They’re walking because everyone else is walking and everyone else is walking because they’re walking. They’re stupid as fuck. But these massive groups of roaming zombies, did you call them ‘roamers’? That’s cool. These fucking groups are called HERDS. They’re bad fucking news.” -Sergeant Abraham Ford

They started following the helicopter and kept heading that direction long after it was gone.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
HELL YEAH that was a kick ass season finale.
I kept forgetting that dude wasn't family, and was just a boyfriend. Eh, that's what happens when he talks twice a season.
Also, why would he not just drive off when Karl and Rick jumped on the roof? Why sit there?

Karl's Missing? Laurie Figures it out? There IS hope for the kid, he might live to be 12.

Herschel was the bad ass of the group, undeterred by influx of walkers, he just kept shooting (but there was never a pile of walkers anywhere) and didn't flinch when gunshot went off behind him. I loved the small touch of the Walker-Brains all over the back of his head.

Nobody thought to siphon gas (or take less of a gas guzzler) before they left? That mustang looked pretty nice.

T-Dogg should have let Lorie jump. Plus, he's the one who, when shit goes sour, can say "I told you bitches we needed to head east".

Great show, can't wait til next season.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.63
I loved my brother's reaction to the Michonne debut ... I've never read the comics myself, but I had heard about the character before, so seeing it come as a total surprise to him made the scene that much more satisfying.

Said it was the best introduction of a TV character since Jericho's countdown interrupted the Rock, he did





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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
Could somebody explain to me why Lorie was upset that Rick killed Shane, when two or three shows ago, she basically told him to?
I guess they don't have schizophrenic medicine in Walker World.
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Since: 21.11.02
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.32
It is tough for me to beleive that all of them - even Rick and Daryl - can be THAT good of a shot that they consistently shoot walkers in the head. And from moving vehicles!! Holy shit!!

And Herschel's neverending gun.

And Lori's stupid reaction. And Carl crying that his dad killed Shane when shane was going to kill him. I guess Lori and Carl prefer Shane as a father/dad.

And at the farm, I guess they should have holed up in the house since not in ONE shot, did any walker go near the house. It was the safest place on the farm!!

One main character should have died. I really thought it was going to be Glenn when he and Maggie pulle dover so he could drive. I thought a walker would come then.

Meh episode for me. My hate list is Lori firmly at one, Carl solidly at two and Carol now at three.

The fortified castle/jail looks interesting, but I hope, as stated earlier, it does not slow the action down since they would be safe (presumedly) and not have much to do.

And has anyone asked Lori how her unborn baby is doing? Anyone? Rick?

Meh episode for me.



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Since: 12.1.12

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#13 Posted on
Yeah, can't believe everyone is so great at head shots, even Carl when he shot Shane. I know they had gun training but that doesn't make you experts at headshots. I can't even do that 100% in a video game.

And I can't believe slow ass Carol can outrun the walkers enough for Daryl to pick her up with his bike.
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Since: 23.6.10
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.40
Don't really get the negative reactions. Well, some of them I do. The perfect shooting abilities of everyone is a good nitpick, but hell, that's always the case in movies and tv.

Awesome debut for Michonne and I can't imagine what someone with only show knowledge must be thinking. Love that they didn't even show her face or have her talk.

People will bitch like crazy if the entire next season takes place in the prison. But it will happen. The show has a budget, and staying in one place cuts a lot of costs.

For some reason, I can see Daryl and Carol hooking up. I'm even more convinced now that I just typed that and realized how ADORABLE that sounds.

Major theme of next season will be Rick realizing how to become a good leader without being corrupted by power. My theory:


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The Governor will show him what he could potentially become. And he'll get a major lesson when he gets his arm lopped off as payback for a certain season 1 character.
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Since: 8.5.03
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by oudom
    I know they had gun training but that doesn't make you experts at headshots. I can't even do that 100% in a video game.



I really wanted Glen to comment that his video game past prepared him for this. I think it could charm Maggie.



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Since: 22.2.04
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.38
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    Awesome debut for Michonne and I can't imagine what someone with only show knowledge must be thinking. Love that they didn't even show her face or have her talk.

    People will bitch like crazy if the entire next season takes place in the prison. But it will happen. The show has a budget, and staying in one place cuts a lot of costs.


Michonne is the reason I will watch a few episodes next season. I haven't yet seen anything since the first half of Season 2, but I youtubed her debut (that's a verb like 'googled' now, isn't it?) once I heard about it. Nice moment.

Having the next season set at the prison would be great since that was my favorite setting in the comic. I may bitch about other things, but never about that prison.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.55
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Lori, mother of the year, finally realized she couldn't keep track of Carl and then finally came to what seemed like a realization he loved Shane. Maybe more than she did Rick. I don't know how you're supposed to look at Lori and not see her as a pretty despicable villain, but luckily I have no inclination to try. I really, really hate her.

Agreed. I couldn't believe that scene, for all the wrong reasons. Rick flat out told her that Shane set everything up to try and KILL HIM and she reacted like RICK was the monster! And this came a couple of weeks after Lori tried to convince Rick that Shane was unstable and dangerous. I do not get this woman. She is easily the most unlikable character on this show.

Farmageddon should appease anyone that was complaining about there not being enough action on this show. That was a fine half-hour's worth of walker-busting.

And bravo to Rick for finally standing up, taking charge, and throwing any sense of passivity out the window. He got a standing ovation in this house for calling everyone's bluff and basically telling everyone that if they didn't trust him, try their luck elsewhere. That's right, Rick! THAT'S what a leader does! This is NOT a democracy anymore! This is now a Rick-tatorship! (tm IGN)




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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.47
I was also surprised at Lori's reaction, but I think we got there because 1) she realized she actually did love Shane (we saw a glimpse of that when she had that heart-to-heart with him), and 2) Rick kept saying things like "I wanted him dead" and "I could have stopped him."

Also, Lori's a crazy pregnant hormonal lady.

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.12
If stupid Lori hadn't wrecked the car trying to "go get Rick", there would have been one more vehicle for Andrea to try to get to. Lori & T-Dog just left Carol & Andrea, & then Andrea is left standing there, waving her arms, calling for Rick to pick her up. After Andrea left the relative safety of the truck to "Get Carol", which conveniently made room in the truck for Lori & Herschel's other daughter. Guess Andrea should have been standing there screaming like Carol -- she might have been the one to get the ride from Daryl.

On Talking Dead, which one would think should be spoiler-free, they spilled all sorts of stuff that would normally be spoilers. They ID'd the hooded character ("... huge character in the comic books") & told us what that character's deal is. They told us what the structure is. (I was also watching on a crappy TV & couldn't tell.) And were talking about characters that haven't been introduced or have been "parked". I think it's futile for a spoiler-hater to try to watch this without reading the comic.

From Talking Dead:

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A caller asked, "Are we going to get to see Merle, Morgan & Duane in season 3." Kirkman cutsey-ed around & then. "There is a 100% chance that you will see 33% of that group in season 3." Given that 2 of those characters come as a pair, he might just as well have announced it.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
About time Rick finally lashed out at all the bitching and whining these people do. I think he had a strange way of going about it, but it had to happen.

I've about given up on Lori.

I don't care about the dead eye shooting or the never ending ammo, the zombie riot on the farm was pretty well done. I loved this episode, and can't wait to see more. I don't think I really felt this way after the first season.

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