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Since: 25.4.03
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#21 Posted on
My tweet:

The people on the #WalkingDead farm need to find a zombie-free Toys R Us & get that Carl kid something to do.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
I don't mind hearing how the story has veered off from the comic, butI feel like some of you guys are on the verge of ruining stuff for me talking about future casting and characters I know nothing about, because they haven't been introduced yet.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.68
I don't know if it's a spoiler, but I couldn't open my facebook feed without finding out that a new actor was cast in the series.

It's the same thing with game of thrones. I keep hearing about characters being cast, that I know nothing about, but I don't think it's spoiling anything.

The only reason it's of interest is that a lot of people suspected Merle was the Governor, but apparently not.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.41
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I don't mind hearing how the story has veered off from the comic, butI feel like some of you guys are on the verge of ruining stuff for me talking about future casting and characters I know nothing about, because they haven't been introduced yet.



Yeah, I'm trying to kind of steer clear of talking about the comic too much, but I will tell you that it is already significantly different. Dale dying veers the show off coarse even more.

I imagine we'll see some broadstrokes. I can think of a certain character that will have to show up or fans will riot.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
    Originally posted by The Guinness.
    To be fair, in the books there is no room to build any love for Shane. In the show Shane has been able to grow as a character that lives by a different moral code.



A code that includes attempted rape and cold-blooded murder. Shane's embracing by the online fans as an example of "this guy knows how to get things done!" antiheroism is kind of creepy.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

    I imagine we'll see some broadstrokes. I can think of a certain character that will have to show up or fans will riot.


I'm not sure that they care what the comic fans think, really. The comic sells roughly 10,000* copies of each monthly issue. The television series has between 6 and 8 million viewers. I'm not saying that they should be trying to upset or alienate anyone, but they could lose every single fan of the comic and it wouldn't impact their ratings enough to make a significant difference.




*number pulled off the internet. If someone can prove me wrong, I'll gladly retract it.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.81
I don't really have a problem with Shane being embraced by nerd-ragers. He's the anti-hero. The appeal he has is the same as any one in his position in past shows/movies. The thing with Shane that I don't think the show has gone into enough is: He's like the goon on your hockey team. He's violent without hesitation, doesn't mind doing horrible things to other people with just the slightest provocation, and is someone the other side (well, they're zombies but still) is terrified of. It's great to have this guy on your team, but then if he gets moved off your team, he'll do the exact same things to you that you were cheering him on for earlier.

They really didn't give any reason as to why Randell had to be killed THAT NIGHT or else set free. It doesn't matter if there's 30 armed rapists running around. They're not looking for Randell. If they find the farm, they find the farm. Him being locked up doesn't change that. I also don't buy them saying that food is scarce on the farm. Last week they were wasting food, this week it's "holy shit that's right, the superstore is overrun by zombies because of the whole apocalypse thing!" Herschel just took in like, 15 new people to his farm. I don't buy that he's telling Rick "You know, we can have 15 here no problem... but 16?? OMG WE HAVE NO FOOD ONE HAS TO BE KILLED BEFORE BREAKFAST TIME!!!"

I didn't think of the fact that the farm was supposed to be safe because of the fences until I read John's post. Then I thought I remembered Herschel mentioning that the cattle had been spooked and broken through the fences. More emphasis should have been put on that situation if that is what he said.

I had heard rumors that Demunn was quitting the show in protest of the leadership change that had happened, so the whole show it was like "Dead Man Walking" to me, especially with all the dialogue he was given. If T-Dogg ever has more than 4 lines, he'll be dead by the end of the episode.

re: Carl. Yea, what everyone already said. This kid is an annoying little psycho now.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Personally, I'm with Shane on this one. Randall's waaay too dangerous to just keep hanging around. Thirty bad dudes with heavy weapons is a threat you don't want hanging over your group.
It's a threat that's hanging over their group anyway, though, or at least it should be.

The bad dudes can't be too far away and they have organized scavenging runs (which will have to expand their area as they loot their way outwards) -- our heroes had better start figuring out what to do if they're discovered, Randall or no.

But since these guys steadfastly refuse to 1) learn lessons or 2) take precautions, I guess shooting a teenager in the head is the best we can expect.

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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    I don't really have a problem with Shane being embraced by nerd-ragers. He's the anti-hero.


He's not, he's a bad guy. A layered one, but a bad guy nonetheless. He tried to rape someone, shot a defenceless man, and continues to plot to kill/dethrone his supposed best friend and steal his family. If this show didn't feature flesh-eating ghouls he'd be the number one villain.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.77
I think Rick has a big problem on his hands. For two consecutive weeks, he's backed out of ending Randall's threat to the group. This week, he forced a daylong soul search followed by a polarizing assembly that lead to a unpopular consensus. And then he changed his mind, vetoing the group decision. He's no longer reliable. He has to go, my friends. This group deserves better.

Vote Shane.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.14
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I think Rick has a big problem on his hands. For two consecutive weeks, he's backed out of ending Randall's threat to the group. This week, he forced a daylong soul search followed by a polarizing assembly that lead to a unpopular consensus. And then he changed his mind, vetoing the group decision. He's no longer reliable. He has to go, my friends. This group deserves better.

    Vote Shane.


Vote Daryl. At least he hasn't tried to rape a party member and is willing to make the tough kills. Shane is not conservative enough, he doesn't hunt his own food. Daryl 2012.

(edited by lotjx on 7.3.12 0806)


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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.77
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Vote Shane.


    Vote Daryl. At least he hasn't tried to rape a party member and is willing to make the tough kills. Shane is not conservative enough, he doesn't hunt his own food. Daryl 2012.




Dude, this is totally a Mania matchup. They need Shane to play as the face of the company. Daryl only brings it occasionally because he spends his time at Camp Crossbow.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.14
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by lotjx
        Originally posted by Matt Tracker
        Vote Shane.


      Vote Daryl. At least he hasn't tried to rape a party member and is willing to make the tough kills. Shane is not conservative enough, he doesn't hunt his own food. Daryl 2012.




    Dude, this is totally a Mania matchup. They need Shane to play as the face of the company. Daryl only brings it occasionally because he spends his time at Camp Crossbow.


OH My God, Yes! When Daryl is around the party is interesting and exciting. Shane is only there, because he has no other place else to go.

(edited by lotjx on 7.3.12 0841)


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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.12
On Randall: What were they doing about Randall during the week of his miraculous recovery? We haven't been told, & I was hoping that we'd get some clarification on that. Shouldn't somebody have "debriefed" him during that interval? If they didn't believe him, why wouldn't they have escalated to a hard-core "interrogation" already? That interval should have been when they at least started to determine whether Randall might be OK to join up, or not. It also would have been the time to acquire that valuable information about the Others. In fact, at best, Randall has week-old information. If the Others are migrant, they could be halfway to Savannah by now. If they're digging in in the neighbourhood, they could well have found the farm during that week. Randall knew to pull up Maggie's name. How did he know to do that? Didn't it occur to him during the week to bring that up, like, before they were carting him off to exile? Was anybody talking to him at all? Has anybody since vetted his story that he knows Maggie? If he went to the same school as Maggie, then Herschel most certainly had to have been Randall's family's veterinarian, right? Why weren't our intrepid law enforcement officers or the ever-snoopy Dale finding out these things during that week?

On Carl: Damn skippy, what are the parents thinking? And the rest of the "extended family"? During the Zombie Apocalypse, & (as Orquiola observed) especially in the wake of Sophia, all minors shall be tethered to as responsible an adult as possible. Or at least Lori. As a matter of fact, unless your name is Daryl or Shane, nobody in their right mind should really be out wandering around alone. (Dale.)

On Lori: Lori knows what Rick is doing off at the barn, & rather than talking to the child, making sure the child is as settled as possible, trying to give the child some way to cope with the situation, she doesn't even know where the child is! And then she's displeased how the child is growing up in this world? For somebody who gave Andrea the big speech last week about the menfolk going out & handling things while the women stay at home & maintain civilised society, Lori is about as un-maternal as they come.

On Dale: Poor cow. Poor self-preservation instinct on the part of the human. Week before last I said that I wasn't very happy with Dale's contribution at this point. But it was still a "holy shit" moment that they killed him off, & an awesome performance. Just to go on record, if ever I'm eviscerated & dying in a field, I'd like it if somebody would *ask* whether I'd like to be euthanised, please. If he's sentient enough the be suffering, he's sentient enough to deal with, "Dale, if you'd like us to end it for you right now, squeeze my hand." (Does it make me a bad person that I was shouting (inside my head) at the TV "ASK HIM!" in Chris Jericho's voice?) I'd also prefer if the people standing around would *not* dither around with a gun in my face trying to decide whether or not to. (This one is not about you, Rick.) Daryl made it about Dale.

And, by the way, there's the damn child again!
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.82
    Originally posted by Tenken347
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

      I imagine we'll see some broadstrokes. I can think of a certain character that will have to show up or fans will riot.


    I'm not sure that they care what the comic fans think, really. The comic sells roughly 10,000* copies of each monthly issue. The television series has between 6 and 8 million viewers.

    *number pulled off the internet. If someone can prove me wrong, I'll gladly retract it.


I mostly agree with your point, but your numbers are mostly wrong. The latest monthly sold approximately 31,596 copies (http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/03/01/indie-month-to-month-sales-january-2012%C2%A0/) and while I couldn't find the actual numbers for the Trade Paperback sales, according to the charts two of the collections Vol. 1 and Vol. 15 were #3 and #7 respectively on the TPB sales charts for that month (http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/02/03/dc-tops-units-marvel-dollars-in-january/).

Again, I mostly agree with you and with the show's producers and writers for not giving a crap what fans of the comic think (if that's indeed the case). I'm just fine with the changes they've made and are making and what they're doing with the show. It allows me to enjoy it in different ways and be as or sometimes even more surprised than people who don't read the book.




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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
    Originally posted by DrewDewce
      Originally posted by Tenken347
        Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

        I imagine we'll see some broadstrokes. I can think of a certain character that will have to show up or fans will riot.


      I'm not sure that they care what the comic fans think, really. The comic sells roughly 10,000* copies of each monthly issue. The television series has between 6 and 8 million viewers.

      *number pulled off the internet. If someone can prove me wrong, I'll gladly retract it.


    I mostly agree with your point, but your numbers are mostly wrong. The latest monthly sold approximately 31,596 copies (http://www.comicsbeat.com/​2012/​03/​01/​indie-​month-​to-​month-​sales-​january-​2012%C2​%A0​/​) and while I couldn't find the actual numbers for the Trade Paperback sales, according to the charts two of the collections Vol. 1 and Vol. 15 were #3 and #7 respectively on the TPB sales charts for that month (http://www.comicsbeat.com/​2012/​02/​03/​dc-​tops-​units-​marvel-​dollars-​in-​january/​).

    Again, I mostly agree with you and with the show's producers and writers for not giving a crap what fans of the comic think (if that's indeed the case). I'm just fine with the changes they've made and are making and what they're doing with the show. It allows me to enjoy it in different ways and be as or sometimes even more surprised than people who don't read the book.



Okay, so quite a bit better than I thought. I knew the trades were seeing a nice bump from the tv show, but I couldn't find any hard numbers on them either.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
So why wasn't that zombie feeding on that cow when Dale showed up? Do zombies not like cow meat? They sure seem to like horse meat.

And if the zombie's stomach was full (do zombies even get full?), why did it attack Dale?

(edited by Kevintripod on 7.3.12 2028)

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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    So why wasn't that zombie feeding on that cow when Dale showed up? Do zombies not like cow meat? They sure seem to like horse meat.

    And if the zombie's stomach was full (do zombies even get full?), why did it attack Dale?


Answer: Because zombies will do or won't do whatever they're needed to do in the story. Why? Because zombies aren't real!



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.12
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    So why wasn't that zombie feeding on that cow when Dale showed up? Do zombies not like cow meat? They sure seem to like horse meat.

    And if the zombie's stomach was full (do zombies even get full?), why did it attack Dale?
And if Bossie had been wagyu beef, would the zombie have liked it better? ;-) Perhaps Carl (veal) might have been tastiest of all!! (Muahhaha.)
Uhhh, yup -- good observation.

I'm continuing to try to get the hang of referring to these as "This is Not Lost" questions. Under nerd-level scrutiny, this could well be a pivotal issue. I'm coming to terms (Work in progress.) with "Walking Dead" being an imperfect metaphorical construct. Personally, I'd like it much-much better if they could juggle all of the humanistic, character-driven issues, while wrangling all the details perfectly. But that's expecting a lot. I'm trying to roll with a "character first" perspective. Hey, one could probably even make an ex post facto case for flaws in the scifi details being symbolic of flaws in human nature, eh?
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