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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.61
    Originally posted by LanceJr
    I think you literally with one post ruined the league for me.

    Granted this is a fantasy league for fun, but putting up an odds table on who to pick next week (and spending way too much time on doing it by the way) is giving an unfair advantage to lower scoring players.

    I mean players should have to do their own homework on who to pick. By doing what you are doing, you are helping the lower scorers by actually telling them who to pick since they will more then likely draft the bigger odds. Let them figure out who to draft on their own. They don't belong at the top if they don't figure things out for themselves.

    It seriously hurts the strategy of the game.

    For people like me who actually spends some time to calculate who I am drafting every week, taking into effect various factors, I won't get any sense of accomplishment in making good draft choices when I know some players could just look at a "cheat-sheet" telling them who to pick. It's not fair that I, and many other players who put thought into draft choices and take the game seriously (to a degree) knowing someone could come along and blow us (not that way) out of the water in points on a particular week because of your draft table.

    I don't think it's fair what you are doing and I am asking you to stop.


    The Saturday recap of the "Here's is the best roster" you could have picked last week.." is a nice gesture and of course so is the leaderboard, but let EVERYONE figure out the coming week rosters on their own. None of us are in kindergarden, don't need to hold someones hand before crossing the street, so let EVERYONE make their own choices without any help.

    (edited by LanceJr on 30.10.05 0023)


I'm solidly behind you on this one; in fact, I had much the same reaction as you upon seeing the post. Unfortunately, I'm also solidly behind you in the rankings, but we won't talk about that. :)

(edited by sentonBOMB on 30.10.05 1932)
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
Well, I just looked at everybody's starting rosters, and luckily it appears no one pays attention to me anyway. I figured someone had to have done some sort of analysis to pick Ashley for this week, because no one would give her a fair chance of actually winning, so if you picked her, it's because you know that she'll score pretty good even if she loses. Doing that, I see 7 of the 36 teams picked her. They were 5 of the top 6 teams (who presumably don't need my advice), and my team, and one other team that has had her since week 2. So I think you can safely say that I didn't affect anyone's picks, and the sanctity of the league (if you want to call it that) still stands.

(edited by Mr. Boffo on 30.10.05 2303)


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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Well, I just looked at everybody's starting rosters, and luckily it appears no one pays attention to me anyway. I figured someone had to have done some sort of analysis to pick Ashley for this week, because no one would give her a fair chance of actually winning, so if you picked her, it's because you know that she'll score pretty good even if she loses. Doing that, I see 7 of the 36 teams picked her. They were 5 of the top 6 teams (who presumably don't need my advice), and my team, and one other team that has had her since week 2. So I think you can safely say that I didn't affect anyone's picks, and the sanctity of the league (if you want to call it that) still stands.

    (edited by Mr. Boffo on 30.10.05 2303)


Haha, Mr. Boffo, what was funny was I just finished number crunching some stuff myself then I saw what you posted. It was nice to know I wasn't the only crazy one who'd do that heh. It's all cool, I really like the week end recaps you do, let's me know where I missed out.

Also, Rob F'n Conway better come through for me this week for once.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Well, I just looked at everybody's starting rosters, and luckily it appears no one pays attention to me anyway. I figured someone had to have done some sort of analysis to pick Ashley for this week, because no one would give her a fair chance of actually winning, so if you picked her, it's because you know that she'll score pretty good even if she loses. Doing that, I see 7 of the 36 teams picked her. They were 5 of the top 6 teams (who presumably don't need my advice), and my team, and one other team that has had her since week 2. So I think you can safely say that I didn't affect anyone's picks, and the sanctity of the league (if you want to call it that) still stands.

    (edited by Mr. Boffo on 30.10.05 2303)



I appreciate the fact you stated you will not post a table like you did again, and hope you will stand by that. Also Evophile or anyone else won't post anything either. Let us do our own work.

But on your point, there is no way in hell that everyone who picked all the Divas did so on their own. There have been a lot of 6-man, specialty matches, etc and I don't think no one as EVER picked every particpant, yet here we are with the Divas. People do notice things, and they may not follow every word but they WERE pushed in certain directions based upon your post. I can honestly say I did pick the Divas early in the week on my own with the very fact that the odds for a good pay off is there.

(edited by LanceJr on 31.10.05 1442)

(edited by LanceJr on 31.10.05 1734)

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.95
The Champ is here. That's right, Tribal, one good week on top of the league doesn't negate the fact that I'm the season 4 champion. You are not yet the season 5 champion. And neither am I. But I am the first-eeeeever and only The-W.com Fantasy Champion, for at least 6 more weeks.

I'd like to add my two cents on the Mr. Boffo controversy. I agree with LanceJr and company that posting a cheat sheet for the coming week gives an unfair boost to the weaker players in the league. I also agree with LanceJr's unfocused rambling on the subject of drafting all the Divas for Taboo Tuesday (a gambit I decided upon last Monday when I locked my roster early) that perhaps by publicly lauding Tribal Prophet's rather excellent gambit in drafting all the participants in the Smackdown fatal four way that it may have encouraged others to draft all the Divas in the battle royal. Or perhaps not. While it is possible the top five players in the league all came up with the same idea on their own, I do think the weekly wrap up has something to do with it.

Frankly, I don't think we need a weekly wrap up at all. The scores are all posted on wwe.com for all to see every week. Posting them here is redundant and has already caused some problems for other players. The game is better when everyone is left to their own devices and has to pay attention and come up with their best guesses for draft picks. While it is likely no one listens to Mr. Boffo anyway (I know I don't because I don't need or want help - I can win on my own) I think it's for the best if we all just play on our own.




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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    ...Frankly, I don't think we need a weekly wrap up at all. The scores are all posted on wwe.com for all to see every week. Posting them here is redundant and has already caused some problems for other players. The game is better when everyone is left to their own devices and has to pay attention and come up with their best guesses for draft picks.
I disagree wholeheartedly. I like seeing the lists up here, because the WWE page (unless I'm as blind as I am with glasses as I am without) there's no week to week analysis on how many points everyone received each week. Seeing Boffo's list is a great thing, I can see in one view how many points everyone got in one show, and how they're doing.

    Originally posted by John, again
    While it is likely no one listens to Mr. Boffo anyway (I know I don't because I don't need or want help - I can win on my own) I think it's for the best if we all just play on our own.
that was rude, man. While his "odds list" idea didn't really fly well with the group, he had our interests at heart...and that's all that matters. Nobody's really telling you that you gotta check out the rankings here...you can always go to http://stats.wwe.com for that.

(edited by SOK on 31.10.05 1715)


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
To answer your question, yes you are blind a bat(man) and the week to week points per draft choice is available under the individual wrestlers profile in the Fantasy page on what they earned the previous week.

(edited by LanceJr on 31.10.05 1647)


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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
I see I've caused a huge controvesery that probably no one (least of all me ) wants. I've been avoiding getting involved for a while, but let's try to finish this, as I'm sure it bores everyone else not involved (especially the moderators, who I have been trying very hard lately to not annoy).

I totally understand everyone's point of view, and as I said, I won't post something like that again. In a way I think I was trying to post content that people would find both interesting and useful. It wasn't meant to be a set in stone kind of list, but rather something to spark dialogue on things. I guess it did do that, but for the wrong reasons.

    Originally posted by LanceJr
    But on your point, there is no way in hell that those who did pick all the Divas did so on their own. There have been a lot of 6-man, specialty matches, etc and I don't think no one as EVER picked every particpant, yet here we are with the Divas. People do notice things, and they may not follow every word but they WERE pushed in certain directions based upon your post. I can honestly say I did pick the Divas early in the week on my own with the very fact that the odds for a good pay off is there.

So if I read you write you are saying that no one else is smart enough to figure out what you figured out on your own. That comes off as kind of pompous. You've said you figured it out on your own, John Orquiola doesn't read what I write, and evophile said he figured it out on his own. I'm sure Tribal Prophet and sentonBomb could figure it out on there own as well. To expect anything less would be insulting. IThey got to the top 6 without my help, so I'm sure that they already knew it without me pointing it out. As to your contention about other specialty matches. Perhaps John is correct and me shining the spotlight on Tribal Prophet gave everyone the idea. I only mentioned him to give him some publicity for having an awesome. The next logical question was how he did it. I do still believe that the diva match is different from others. I've seen that any time a women wins a match, even just one on Raw or Smackdown, they end up in the high score list for the week. This is because everyone other than Trish Stratus comes very cheaply. In fact, back on SOK's site, that was one of the rules for picking I listed one week: Never pick a women unless you know she's wrestling in a match.
    Originally posted by SOK
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
      While it is likely no one listens to Mr. Boffo anyway (I know I don't because I don't need or want help - I can win on my own) I think it's for the best if we all just play on our own.

    that was rude, man.

He was just saying what I've already said.

I started doing this because I like compiling stuff, and I thought it would be a nice way to (1) keep teams involved (because I hate public fantasy leagues where half the teams have quit by the end), and (2) generate some interesting discourse (theories, predictions, etc.). As to that 2nd goal, yes, Evo, Rob Conway better come through for me as well. That match on Heat against Koko B. Ware did us no good!
If this thread isn't doing either of those things, and is providing more trouble than value , then maybe I should just stop, so as not to affect anyone's competitive edge anymore.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.59
Hey, I hope you keep doing it, and my plan was the one you shone the spotlight on. Personally, I wish you had just said "He picked MNM this week".

The weekly "Best Week Possible" list is great, and while I'm with everyone with the newest table to tried out here, I certainly respect the effort you went through in working out all the numbers. You tried it, it didn't go over so well, and so you say you won't put up another table like that again, and that's cool. Not everything's going to work, but I appreciate you trying.

The fantasy game is a fun thing that actually adds a lot of fun for me as far as watching the shows, as before I would doze off somewhere around hour one ending. The write-ups you do here are something that I look forward to and is a helluva lot more fun that just going to the WWE website and clicking on 10 different links to get the same information. Mainly I like the little bit of chatter going back and forth after each report. Makes it a little more personal than just adjusting 'budgets'.


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Since: 25.11.02
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.61
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    Hey, I hope you keep doing it, and my plan was the one you shone the spotlight on. Personally, I wish you had just said "He picked MNM this week".

    The weekly "Best Week Possible" list is great, and while I'm with everyone with the newest table to tried out here, I certainly respect the effort you went through in working out all the numbers. You tried it, it didn't go over so well, and so you say you won't put up another table like that again, and that's cool. Not everything's going to work, but I appreciate you trying.

    The fantasy game is a fun thing that actually adds a lot of fun for me as far as watching the shows, as before I would doze off somewhere around hour one ending. The write-ups you do here are something that I look forward to and is a helluva lot more fun that just going to the WWE website and clicking on 10 different links to get the same information. Mainly I like the little bit of chatter going back and forth after each report. Makes it a little more personal than just adjusting 'budgets'.


    Tribal Prophet


I think what we're all saying is that the post-week wrapups are fine. No big deal. It's the "help the people who can't figure it out on their own before the week starts" reports that are unwelcome.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.75
Yeah, but Boffo was hinting at not writing anything anymore because of this fiasco. Well, add me to the list of hoping that Boff does post his "best possible list" every week. It is interesting to see which wrestlers got points, especially for someone like me who doesn't usually watch Smackdown.

The heart is in the right place here, and I hope Boffo doesn't stop giving us these insights without us having to wade through wwe.com to find stuff I'd probably just skip over to save time.

And remember, this game is FREE! It's not THAT big a deal. It's all just (mostly) good fun.



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