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The Goon
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I guess this is half music, half politics.

If you're in a swing state, expect to see some big names come at you.

It's really surprising to see Springsteen come out as strong on this election as he has, even though I've known where he's stood on the political spectrum as long as he's been singing.

Great concerts-I don't see this changing a whole lot of votes, though.
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I'm sure Pittsburgh'll get a show. I hope it's a good one.



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Pearl Jam. Reading, PA. I'm there.



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There's nothing I hate more than when rock stars tell me how to vote.





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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.08
    Originally posted by Bullitt
    There's nothing I hate more than when rock stars tell me how to vote.


See, that's my problem with this whole rigamarole. I am a huge Springsteen fan, and I agree with him in this case, but it still seems a bit undemocratic to use your fame and try to influence an election.

I'd be just as upset if Blue Rodeo and the Tragically Hip went around the country and said "Vote out Martin" or "Don't vote Harper."

It's one thing to support a candidate, but completely different if you are telling people to vote against someone.
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    Originally posted by Bullitt
    There's nothing I hate more than when rock stars tell me how to vote.


Except people telling me how movie reviewers told them how to vote. (looks at his father)

Goon: What about people going out and sleeping with conservatives in exchange for said conservative not voting? (As seen in Rolling Stone.) Either way, it's not undemocratic if you ask me. He's not MAKING people not vote, just saying don't vote for this guy. Could mean vote for anyone else, could mean sit on your ass all day (which the people who would do that probably would do anyways).



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"I'm sure Pittsburgh'll get a show. I hope it's a good one."

Bah, Cleve gets the nigh-optimum Springsteen/REM combo and Pittsburgh is stuck with James Taylor & Dixie Chicks. It would've been cooler if the combinations came out of a Lethal Lottery so, like, Pearl Jam had to team up with Babyface or somethin like that.
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Ah, let'em do what they want. Perhaps one, even two, concertgoers may change their minds.

Of course, it still gives me pause to give them money in the future, even if I have seen REM twice.



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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Ah, let'em do what they want. Perhaps one, even two, concertgoers may change their minds.

    Of course, it still gives me pause to give them money in the future, even if I have seen REM twice.


REM has always been a liberal band so you shouldn't be surprised to see them on a tour like this.

Hey they have the right to voice their political opinions, just as I have the choice not to listen to them.



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Just go and enjoy. The people attending aren't likely to be swayed one way or another. The funny part is musicians thinking they will sway lots of voters.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Just go and enjoy. The people attending aren't likely to be swayed one way or another. The funny part is musicians thinking they will sway lots of voters.


I think it's more about raising money than outright swaying opinions. I'm sure that, for the most part, they'll be preaching to the choir. (Although some of the acts involved, like Springsteen, are big enough to attract people despite a potential political disagreement.)

    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    Bah, Cleve gets the nigh-optimum Springsteen/REM combo and Pittsburgh is stuck with James Taylor & Dixie Chicks. It would've been cooler if the combinations came out of a Lethal Lottery so, like, Pearl Jam had to team up with Babyface or somethin like that.


How fucking typical. Well, looks like I'll be passing on this one. (Or driving to Cleveland.)



"Tonight, we have an important message for those who question the patriotism of Americans who offer a better direction for our country. Before wrapping themselves in the flag and shutting their eyes and ears to the truth, they should remember what America is really all about. They should remember the great idea of freedom for which so many have given their lives. Our purpose now is to reclaim democracy itself. We are here to affirm that when Americans stand up and speak their minds and say America can do better, that is not a challenge to patriotism; it is the heart and soul of patriotism."
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I would have loved to have gotten the REM/Springsteen combo. But at least we get Dave Matthews going to Madison which I can try to head up to. Better than the awful Dixie Chicks/James Taylor pair.

And I don't have a problem with this politically, nor would I if Ted Nugent and Travis Morrison and Darryl Worley decided to do a tour to support Swift Boat Veterans For Truth. Hell, I come on here every day along with others and try to convince people to see the world a certain way. I don't see why simply because they're musicians they have less right than any of us to try to convince anyone who chooses to listen to agree with them. Grimis has it right, in that he likes REM, but this may push him to not supporting them financially. Just like me arguing politics with a co-worker might cause them to get pissed off at me.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Just go and enjoy. The people attending aren't likely to be swayed one way or another. The funny part is musicians thinking they will sway lots of voters.


Well, it's not so much about swaying the votes, I think as expressing how you feel. It's the "I didn't speak out against the Nazis until they decided to come for me" thing. And if the rich and famous don't get to promote their way of thought, what the hell is the point of being rich and famous?

Just my somewhat-coherent opinion.

-Jag

Edit: This thread now has the thread rating of the beast. Neat.

(edited by Jaguar on 10.8.04 1125)


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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.26
    Originally posted by Jaguar
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      Just go and enjoy. The people attending aren't likely to be swayed one way or another. The funny part is musicians thinking they will sway lots of voters.


    Well, it's not so much about swaying the votes, I think as expressing how you feel. It's the "I didn't speak out against the Nazis until they decided to come for me" thing. And if the rich and famous don't get to promote their way of thought, what the hell is the point of being rich and famous?

    Just my somewhat-coherent opinion.

    -Jag

    Edit: This thread now has the thread rating of the beast. Neat.

    (edited by Jaguar on 10.8.04 1125)


Jag, not sure where you got that from. And actually I am not sure what the point of being rich and famous is. Speak out all you want. My point was that all the people claiming this will sway voters etc. should take a breath.



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