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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
In some ways, Calloway is like Hogan. They are both big guys who were perfect for the role they are given at the time.

Some people say that Vince made Hogan, but that is bullcrap. The Hogan push would not have worked with any other guy at the time IMO.

In the same light, I don't think just any big guy could have been the Undertaker. Calloway had the work ethic to try and improve his in-ring work, when a lot of big men would have rested on their laurels and let their size get them over. Take away the UT gimmick and Calloway is still the best big man in the history of the business.

However, I also agree with HMD that Taker's "loyalty" is a bit of a smokescreen. I've heard several times that Bischoff had no desire to even make an offer to Calloway during the WCW days because he would have been nothing without the gimmick. I also think that he has been a bit of a lockerroom bully at times (nowhere near Bradshaw levels, but still). But overall, I think the guy has worked hard and handled his power better than most in the business.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.31
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    I also think that [Taker] has been a bit of a lockerroom bully at times (nowhere near Bradshaw levels, but still).
I've never heard this before. Do you have any examples?



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.54
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      I also think that [Taker] has been a bit of a lockerroom bully at times (nowhere near Bradshaw levels, but still).
    I've never heard this before. Do you have any examples?


AFAIK Undertaker doesn't really "haze" people so much as he's the leader of the locker room and can thus be overly serious and something of a hardass. The first story that popped into my head was him bitching out Matt Hardy in front of everyone in catering after Survivor Series 2005 because Taker was supposed to show up and lay out a bunch of chumps assembled in the ring and Hardy had asked an agent to not be one of the victims.

Granted it's Matt Hardy so today you're left to wonder how much tact and self-awareness he went about things with, but nevertheless.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    In some ways, Calloway is like Hogan. They are both big guys who were perfect for the role they are given at the time.

    Some people say that Vince made Hogan, but that is bullcrap. The Hogan push would not have worked with any other guy at the time IMO.

    In the same light, I don't think just any big guy could have been the Undertaker. Calloway had the work ethic to try and improve his in-ring work, when a lot of big men would have rested on their laurels and let their size get them over. Take away the UT gimmick and Calloway is still the best big man in the history of the business.




It's funny, but the same thing could be said about Kane. Glenn Jacobs was the poster child for bad gimmicks. Kane had cool music, a good look and original entrance, but he was really just another 'Freak of the Week' that just happened to work out. Kane could have been died on the vine and disappeared from our memory if they had given the gimmick to someone like Bryan Adams or Bryan Clark, but again right guy, right place and the right time. Kane gets a lot of crap, but he's been a fair in ring performer up until the last couple of years.

It's fitting that they are 'brothers' because these are two gimmicks that while cool could have just been disasters.




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Taker was supposed to show up and lay out a bunch of chumps assembled in the ring and Hardy had asked an agent to not be one of the victims.


And then he bailed out of the ring without getting chokeslammed or whatever he was supposed to do. That was the best part!
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03
Thought the 'locker room leader' stories started with Kane and Taker destroying Palumbo and O'haire for the tag belts in '01 because they didn't wave to Droz?
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Thought the 'locker room leader' stories started with Kane and Taker destroying Palumbo and O'haire for the tag belts in '01 because they didn't wave to Droz?


That particular story sounds like it came straight from a NEWZ site.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Thought the 'locker room leader' stories started with Kane and Taker destroying Palumbo and O'haire for the tag belts in '01 because they didn't wave to Droz?


    That particular story sounds like it came straight from a NEWZ site.






I believe it is alluded to here:

CHUCK PALUMBO & SEAN O'HAIRE (with RAW is WAR is brought to you by Castrol motor oily, Lugz, and the JVC Giga-Tube) v. FUN BROTHERS (with Sara) within the confines of the STEEL cage for the WCW tag team championship - Palumbo & O'Haire try to get the drop on Taker as he enters, simultaneously blocking Kane from getting through the door. He tries to climb the wall...and O'Haire dropkicks him off. Taker coming back against Palumbo as Kane slams the door on O'Haire. Chokeslam for O'Haire. Forearm in the back for Palumbo. DIAMOND DALLAS PAGE & KANYON have appeared at the top of the stage - oh good, I was thinking how much we NEEDED a run-in. Taker & Kane just mauling Palumbo. O'Haire is climbing out but Kane is over to meet him - Taker rams Palumbo into the cyclone fencing. Kane shoves O'Haire off the ropes but the camera is watching Taker, alas. Palumbo has bladed? Those be some mean soupbones, ah suppose. Either that or Taker's pissed Palumbo didn't say "hi" to him earlier in the day and IT'Z A SHOOT, MAAAAAAAAAAAN Taker with the coleslaw grate on Palumbo's forehead. Another Kane chokeslam for O'Haire. Page & Kanyon are slowly making their way down the ramp. Palumbo facefirst into the wall. Chef Boyardee brings the Double Feature of the chokeslam. Taker with soupbone after soupbone. Kane holding him back (as if it were needed). Kane with a right as well. Palumbo pulling himself up...Kane with another right. Time now for the Last Ride. Page is now running for Sara, and the chase is on - Kanyon heads her off at the pass - Sara decides to climb the cage wall. Sitting up top...Page & Kanyon starting up the wall...Taker runs O'Haire into the wall, knocking them to the floor. Let's get the double pin out of the way (4:17) and Taker climbs up to sit on the cage with his wife. Menacing pointing all around.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
        Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
        I also think that [Taker] has been a bit of a lockerroom bully at times (nowhere near Bradshaw levels, but still).
      I've never heard this before. Do you have any examples?


    AFAIK Undertaker doesn't really "haze" people so much as he's the leader of the locker room and can thus be overly serious and something of a hardass. The first story that popped into my head was him bitching out Matt Hardy in front of everyone in catering after Survivor Series 2005 because Taker was supposed to show up and lay out a bunch of chumps assembled in the ring and Hardy had asked an agent to not be one of the victims.

    Granted it's Matt Hardy so today you're left to wonder how much tact and self-awareness he went about things with, but nevertheless.


I also remember him giving a lot of the WCW guys shit for minor things like not shaking hands with everyone. DDP maybe? I can't remember.
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