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First off, let me say that in 7 weeks Ron "The Truth" Killings has went from some guy I liked because it was funny to like him to a legitimate guy in my top 5. I hate NWATNA right now because they've surrounded him with so much crap that I can't bare to part with the 10 bucks to watch him. I implore the WWE to pick this guy up, hell, have him come on Raw and throw the NWA Belt in the trash.

Speaking of the NWA Title, maybe I'm bringing up something we don't really want to talk about, and if I am, I apologize. However, the Truth winning the belt tonight was the very first time that a black man has ever held the NWA Championship. It's 2002. That's a joke. I refuse to believe that there hasn't been someone who should have won that belt in the last 90+ odd years that title has existed. So, while some may criticize Vince Russo and/or Jerry Jarrett, and for many deserved reasons, I do applaud them for finally ending that nonsense, especially with someone who truly deserved it. I mean, am I way off here? Does somebody else see this as kind of disturbing? I think the list of black world champions is now Ron Simmons, The Rock, Booker T, and the Truth. That's it, correct me if I'm wrong. Kind of sad if you ask me...

(edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 8.8.02 0111)


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The Truth is one of the most entertaining things about NWA: TNA. But their bread and butter is NOT in the heavyweight division and that's what concerns me. Beyond a rematch with Shamrock, there aren't many others who can challenge for the belt other than Monty Brown who's been involved in somewhat of a feud with Mr. Truth and MAYBE Scott Hall, who now that I think about it, might actually give him some kind of rub. But beyond that, there's not much else The Truth can do.

I still think the WWE made a HUGE mistake in letting this guy go. Now that he has the belt, let's see what he could do. He could easily become a draw if he keeps going down this road.



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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by BobHollySTILLRules
    However, the Truth winning the belt tonight was the very first time that a black man has ever held the NWA Championship. It's 2002. That's a joke. I refuse to believe that there hasn't been someone who should have won that belt in the last 90+ odd years that title has existed.

    (edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 8.8.02 0111)




So when Ron Simmons was WCW champion during the Bill Watts reign, was he not NWA champion at the same time? I forget if that came before the big ol' divorce between the two.



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#4 Posted on

Simmons was only the WCW champion, but 10 days later WCW began to recognize the NWA championship again when Chono beat Rude for the vacant title. So, during Simmons' run there were two world champions runnin wild in the same promotion.

BTW:Da Truth rules.

I love how the fans cheer for the heels(Double J and Truth).
If TNA ever gets out of the hole they're in, they could have some raucous shows at the Hammerstein Ballroom where ECW used to play. The X-Division consists of all ROH guys anyway. Fans of NY(and Northeast in general) are familiar with these guys. I'd love to see these guys perform in front of a Northeast crowd. People in NY came out every week to see Raw at the Manhattan Center even when the promotion sucked. I think they would come out for TNA as well. Also, it seems they have eliminated all the southern driven crap such as NASCAR drivers and Country music singers beating up wrestlers. This could only help if they ever decide to have a PPV out of Nashville.



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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by It's False
    The Truth is one of the most entertaining things about NWA: TNA. But their bread and butter is NOT in the heavyweight division and that's what concerns me. Beyond a rematch with Shamrock, there aren't many others who can challenge for the belt other than Monty Brown who's been involved in somewhat of a feud with Mr. Truth and MAYBE Scott Hall, who now that I think about it, might actually give him some kind of rub. But beyond that, there's not much else The Truth can do.

    I still think the WWE made a HUGE mistake in letting this guy go. Now that he has the belt, let's see what he could do. He could easily become a draw if he keeps going down this road.



As much of a draw as RVD? Or 5-time WCW Heavyweight Champion Booker T? Maybe even Tazz, who held the ECW title WHILE he was a WWF star? Yeah, I think the WWE will push Truth to the moon if he came back. I also think that Mae Young will have a long reign as Women's Champ in the next couple years.

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that with such sarcasm. I think Mae Young will probably end up Women's Champ again way before the WWE will push a guy who was built into a main eventer in someone else's company, at least without making them start at the bottom and pay their dues to Billy Gunn and Rikishi.
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Bob, while I'm not going to deny that I'm sure that there were a LOT of racist promoter in the olden days (and likely still now in some form or other), I honestly am not sure of anyone who could have been World Champion of one of the big Three considering the landscapes of wrestling at their peaks. I'm thinking of major black superstars that might have been possibilities to hold a world title:

-Bobo Brazil: A huge draw who never really worked in the mainstream of old NWA, instead being one of the biggest names in the midwest (Michigan, Indiana, Illinois) and holding the title of the midwest's other big promotion (I believe WWA, but not sure). Also Verne Gagne had a stranglehold on the midwest's version of the World Title, the AWA belt, at that point in time.

-Junkyard Dog: Had an enormous run in the Southeast in the early 80's, but by that point in time the NWA title was increasingly the property of Crockett and the Carolinas/Georgia area, which kept him and the whole Watts group pretty much out of the title holding loop. And once arriving in the WWF he was in the midst of Hulkamania.

-Tony Atlas: Perhaps just slightly ahead of his time, feuding with Hulk and others at a time when the musclemen were a side attraction, not the World Champion. Also it sounds like he was REALLY unstable from everything you hear and read about him.

-Ahmed Johnson: I truly believe if he could have stayed healthy and not injured so many damn people that he would have probably held the WWF title at some point. He was just too big, too scary, and too over at the beginning to not get up there at some point.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some others, but if there's a lack of black World Champions which is appalling, I think it's more due to the lack of black main eventers than anything else, which is appalling in its own way I guess.



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What's appalling to me is that Ahmed Johnson was ever over, to begin with.

I think that if D'Lo hadn't been punished for the better part of two years after the Droz accident, he could very well have held the World Championship by now.

Right now, I have to stretch to think of even ten African-American wrestlers in WWE. It could be that there simply aren't that many of them, or that I don't think about people's skin color very much. (I hope it's the latter).

Let me think...

The Rock, Booker T, Faarooq, D'Lo, Sheldon Benjamin, Maven...

(Now having to stretch slightly)

D-Von Dudley, Mark Henry...

(Now having to look it up on WWE.com)

Linda Miles, Jacqueline, Nidia (that's what I get for getting about the women!), and The Godfather.

That's twelve, only six of which I could think of off the top of my head.

I don't know if that even means anything, but...

Anyway... nice to hear that the former K-Kwik is now the NWA World Heavyweight Champion. I always liked watching the kid in the ring, although I thought he was always saddled with that ridiculous gimmick (not to mention a tanked-up partner).



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Nidia's African-American?



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#9 Posted on

Iceman King Parsons was World Class "world champion," if you want it that.

Even though it wasn't actually a world title at the time, JYD's run as North American champion in Mid-South is probably the best run a black wrestler has had as champion.



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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    What's appalling to me is that Ahmed Johnson was ever over, to begin with.
I guess you never saw him in Global as Moadib. He almost singlehandedly kept them in business during their dying days and probably gave them at least six months of life they wouldn't have had otherwise. (Or probably I'm exaggerating. ;-) )



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    Originally posted by Ubermonkeys
    Nidia's African-American?



if Nidia's an African-American, then Missy Haytt is a Virgin Nun...



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#12 Posted on
The WWE can't handle the Truth...



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#13 Posted on
Russo's very high on Killings, from an interview I read. He said something like, "I can't believe he's not a star."

Here's to him getting his shot and proving the WWE wrong.



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#14 Posted on
Ahmed Johnson is that rare guy that got over purely on look alone. The man wore short pink tights and STILL looked like the biggest bad-ass on earth. He had cool moves, he had a lot of in-ring charisma; were it not for his marble-mouthed interview style and penchant for injuring himself and others, he was a future champ for sure.

Speaking of black guys that never got a shot, what about Bad News Brown?



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#15 Posted on
Bad News was THE MAN! He was mad over in Asia (I'll reserve comment on whether or not the chicks dug him over there...) and was Stone Cold while Stev Austin was just "Stunning".

I'm pretty sure he never got much of a shot in the States due to the fact that he was a legit badass known to kick the shit out of guys who stiffed him and also known to threaten the lives of promoters who were late with a check. Not that I blame him (I studied Jiu-Jitsu for 5 years before I stepped into a wrestling school so I would be able to kick off in the ass of anyone who though he could heap on the abuse). As for the money issue, the one thing I NEVER understood was the whole issue of wrestlers being expected to show up and wrestle for a bounced check... FUCK that. Get your money if you have to jam a shotgun in the promoter's face for it. But I digress...

Bad News was pretty kickass, and I could DEFINITELY imagine seeing him doing everything Austin did if given the same push. Well... Not EVERYTHING! I just can't picture Bad News Saying, "My name is Bad News Brown and I don't deserve this!" or "What?!"



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    Originally posted by rikidozan

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      Nidia's African-American?




    if Nidia's an African-American, then Missy Haytt is a Virgin Nun...



Nope. IIRC, she said in an interview in her first year that she was proud to be the first Latina in the WWF.
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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    .

    Right now, I have to stretch to think of even ten African-American wrestlers in WWE. It could be that there simply aren't that many of them, or that I don't think about people's skin color very much. (I hope it's the latter).

    Let me think...

    The Rock, Booker T, Faarooq, D'Lo, Sheldon Benjamin, Maven...

    (Now having to stretch slightly)

    D-Von Dudley, Mark Henry...

    (Now having to look it up on WWE.com)

    Linda Miles, Jacqueline, Nidia (that's what I get for getting about the women!), and The Godfather.

    That's twelve, only six of which I could think of off the top of my head.





Substitute Jazz in there for Nidia you get about the same numbers. I don't find that number to be absurdly low. That is about 12 out of a working crew between the two shows of about 85 to 90 or so. That about roughly approximates the black population of the USA in general, i.e. about 15% or so.
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#18 Posted on

    Originally posted by robnashville
    I don't find that number to be absurdly low. That is about 12 out of a working crew between the two shows of about 85 to 90 or so. That about roughly approximates the black population of the USA in general, i.e. about 15% or so.


What about for professional athletes?

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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by SmooveK

      Originally posted by robnashville
      I don't find that number to be absurdly low. That is about 12 out of a working crew between the two shows of about 85 to 90 or so. That about roughly approximates the black population of the USA in general, i.e. about 15% or so.


    What about for professional athletes?

    -K



That's a bit of a moot point isn't it? While wrestlers are professionals and certainly athletic, it is not a strictly athletic pursuit. Being the best wrestler doesn't necessarily equate with being the best or highest paid person in wrestling. Professional athletes achieve based on their athletic merit. This isn't true of wrestling so a straight comparison between the two isn't possible.

I see where you are going with your point though. In general blacks participate at a disproportionate rate in the highest levels of the three high profile sports in the US, often skewing the perceptions of their overall population size and their overall participation in professional sports. The NBA is roughly 88% black, NFL in the low 60's I believe, and MLB is around 35%. While blacks are are represented disproportionately in these sports, consider this statistic from Don’t Believe the Hype by Farai Chideya

4. What percentage of the 71,000 Americans employed as any type of professional athlete are African-Americans?

a. 60% b. 25% c. 10% d. 7%

The answer is C. Seems to me even if we consider Pro Wrestling a sport, WWF falls with the average parameters of participation by blacks in professional sport.
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#20 Posted on
No one can deny that McMahon has done the racist gimmicks with blacks. Of course they weren't going to be champion. I do feel certain that the official Amhed plan was to make him the first black world champion, they alluded to it monthly in their magazine, and he was the first black intercontinental champ. (An honor that would have gone to Butch Reed had he not no-showed a house show in 1987 prompting the decision to give HIS push to Honky Tonk Man! Wow, who knows, in those days title reigns weren't terminated based on quarter hour ratings, so Reed very well could have been the 'greatest intercontinental champion of all time' with Honky's push.) Anyway, by 1996 it had become inconceivable for Vince to portray blacks the way he had.

Why was Tony Atlas made into Saba Simba?
Why was Slick...A reverend...made into a pimp?
Why was JYD, a man with an BA in History and Political science, made into a fool?
Why would anyone be named Koko B. Ware? As Jesse Ventura reminded us, by the way, "the B stands for Buckwheat."

Horrid, horrid racism.

And I hate when Tiger Woods is referred to as 'Black'. Um, hello? He's not just black, he has several other cultures in him as well! What, don't those count? The reason I bring this up is because, no, the Rock is not black, Why do people say that? He's half-black. The Rock is no blacker than me. I am half-black and half-white, and the term is Mulatto. I don't like being called black, or for that matter white. I have my own race, and it has a name...And I'm sure that Rock's mixed ancestry of Black and Samoan has its own name as well (Samoans are classified as Asian Mongoloid, no?). So let's stop rounding off...it's offensive.





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