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Since: 11.7.02
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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
Ashcroft was indeed not in the building. Nor was Norm Mineta due to surgery


    Originally posted by DJ Ran
    You're telling me Elaine Chao only has to oversee the deaths of 11 before she becomes the first woman president AND first Asian-American president?

    You can do it, baby!



And no she would not have. Chao and Mineta are naturalized citizens and, therefore, can never become President even in the most Extreme circumstances.

Incidentally, with Ted Stevens now as President Pro Tempore, it's nice to see the guy 3rd in line is under 80 for a chance(at least until her turns 80 in November). We spent most of hte last decade with Thurmond or Byrd in that slot.

Incidentally, I think Ridge would be on this list too as Sec of Homeland Security. But he would be dead last(cabinet officers are ranked by the age of their deparment and DHS is last. Note the explosion of government with all of the new cabinet departments), and I think it takes an act of Congress to add him to the list.



Americans are a resolute people who have risen to every test of our time. Adversity has revealed the character of our country, to the world and to ourselves. America is a strong nation, and honorable in the use of our strength. We exercise power without conquest, and we sacrifice for the liberty of strangers. Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity.
- President George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 1/28/2003
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Since: 22.1.02
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    I thought the behavior of most of the Democrats was pretty much disgusting.
    Of course I do not expect them to pop up and applaud at every opportunity (to be honest, I felt there was far too many "applause breaks" anyway), but to slay glued to your seat, often not even clapping simply because a Republican was giving the speach was terrible. I mean, what about their issues, and the humanitarian stuff? You would think they would stand up and applaud on things like aid to Africa to fight HIV and the Hydrogen powered cars. It seriously got to a point where I was looking at the crowd for instances where one or two Democrats popped up right away- I would LOVE to take a close look at a tape and figure out who these people were, because I have a bit more respect for them.
    It is one thing to stay seated because the speaker says something you disagree with. But to stay seated for PURELY partisan reasons is simply in bad taste.



You've got to be kidding me. Seriously, after the Republicans showed their ass for the last eight years with Clinton, you're gonna accuse the Democrats of being jerks?



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Since: 1.8.02
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Yup. Even though I think it is debatable that the Republicans "Showed their ass" during Clinton, and I seriously belive that the situations are totally different-
Look. Lets say I agree with you 100% and say YES! The way that Republicans behaved during Clinton was REPREHENSIBLE!
This still does not make the attitudes and actions of the Democrats OK. My opinion of how the Republicans behaved then changes squat. Wrong is wrong, period...
Exactly how far do you have to go back before "improper behavior" by our past public officials can no longer by used to excuse the behavior of our current ones?



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Since: 2.1.02
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
    Originally posted by calvinh0560
    Rumsfeld was in the building. I guess he kind of looks like Ashcroft when the camera is far away and not really focus. But NBC made it a point to tell us last night at Ashcroft was not there incase something really bad happen we donít have to turn to the queen of England to run the country.


Yes, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft are damn near twins. Twins likely 15 or 20 years apart, but twins!

The whole address is here if anyone wants to read it.

Also, there's a difference between sitting on one's hands during the entire address out of principled objection (which I can completely respect), and laughing (Pelosi) or passing out drunk/sleeping (Massachusetts' own Teddy K).

(edited by PalpatineW on 29.1.03 2005)


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Since: 20.9.02
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#25 Posted on
Give Pelosi the benefit of the doubt, huh?

Maybe she farted...



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Since: 23.1.02
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#26 Posted on
Maybe she was still amused by the time when Bush stopped for the applause that never came? I was laughing at that too. He had the goofiest look in his face.

-Jag



Year after year, the United States has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction. But why? The only possible explanation, the only possible use they could have for those weapons, is to dominate, intimidate, or attack.

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Since: 6.1.02
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.73
I love how the state of the Union address has "who's playa-hatin on Jr." Although, I always though those speeches were pretty much bullshit anyway, so I guess it's as good a subject as any.



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Since: 3.1.02
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Also, there's a difference between sitting on one's hands during the entire address out of principled objection (which I can completely respect), and laughing (Pelosi) or passing out drunk/sleeping (Massachusetts' own Teddy K).


I'll cut Pelosi plenty of slack. If what I've read is accurate, Pelosi's laughter came after Bush said "92 million Americans will keep, this year, an average of almost $1,000 more of their own money." The line WAS pretty freakin' funny for those with a few math skills.





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Since: 11.7.02
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by vsp
    I'll cut Pelosi plenty of slack.


I suppose we can cut her some slack. She's so much of a leftist she'll be responsibile foor the continued embarrasment and defeat of the Democratic Party for years to come.



Americans are a resolute people who have risen to every test of our time. Adversity has revealed the character of our country, to the world and to ourselves. America is a strong nation, and honorable in the use of our strength. We exercise power without conquest, and we sacrifice for the liberty of strangers. Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity.
- President George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 1/28/2003
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Since: 6.1.02
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.73
Hey, if the GOP can add seats with Tom "The Exterminator" DeLay at the helm, the Dems can certainly do alright with Nancy "Brie & Chablis" Pelosi.

I'd prefer a real preogressive liberal of course, but I guess she's better than the alternatives.





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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44

    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Hey, if the GOP can add seats with Tom "The Exterminator" DeLay at the helm, the Dems can certainly do alright with Nancy "Brie & Chablis" Pelosi.

    I'd prefer a real preogressive liberal of course, but I guess she's better than the alternatives.




If Nancy Pelosi isn't liberal enough for you, what kind of policies would you prefer we enact around here? Not enough red in the US flag for ya?



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Since: 6.1.02
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.73
Well, Nancy Pelosi's brand of liberalism is different than mine. Being a New Yorker, I can identify about a million subgroups of the left (that would probably not seem so different to your average conservative), each basically corresponding to a neighborhood of the city. Nancy Pelosi is an Upper West Side liberal. I am a Southern Brooklyn Democrat with (as much as I hate to admit it) shades of a Park Slope progressive (Chuck Schumer is probably the most well knows politician who would more or less fit this particular description). That's really the best way I can put it.

(edited by MoeGates on 30.1.03 1321)


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Since: 23.1.02
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#33 Posted on
'Progressive liberals' are different from 'liberals' in the same way that 'compassionate conservatives' are different from conservatives.

-Jag





Year after year, the United States has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction. But why? The only possible explanation, the only possible use they could have for those weapons, is to dominate, intimidate, or attack.

-The hypocrite at work.

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Since: 1.8.02
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#34 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jaguar
    'Progressive liberals' are different from 'liberals' in the same way that 'compassionate conservatives' are different from conservatives.

    -Jag



So what you are saying is, that they are all the same thing, the extra word in the front is just a media spin to make them seem more likeable?



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Since: 23.1.02
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#35 Posted on
For some yes. But the true Progressives and Compassionates are simply Liberals that are too conservative, and Conservatives who are too liberal. Neither is liked by Liberals or Conservatives.

At least in my experience, that is.

-Jag



Year after year, the United States has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction. But why? The only possible explanation, the only possible use they could have for those weapons, is to dominate, intimidate, or attack.

-The hypocrite at work.

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Since: 28.4.02
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#36 Posted on
Let me make sure I'm following this correctly:

If the UN Weapons Inspectors find weapons of mass distraction in Iraq that would be a definite reason for the US to go to war.

If the UN Weapons Inspectors do not find weapons of mass distraction in Iraq, that means Saddam has hidden them and refuses to declare them, and is a definite reason for the US to go to war.

Now, if the UN Weapons Inspectors determine that Saddam weighs the same as a duck, he is therefore made of wood, and therefore a witch. Or am I getting that confused with something equally logical?




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Since: 11.7.02
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
Of course....if the UN does nothing and lets Iraq sit their pissing away the fact that they have ignore the sanctions for 12 years then the UN becomes as irrelevant as the League of Nations ca. 1936.

PS: Thanks. The Tina Fey picture has unfortunately completely distracted me from my job to think all sorts of inappropriate thoghts.

(edited by Grimis on 30.1.03 1550)


Americans are a resolute people who have risen to every test of our time. Adversity has revealed the character of our country, to the world and to ourselves. America is a strong nation, and honorable in the use of our strength. We exercise power without conquest, and we sacrifice for the liberty of strangers. Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity.
- President George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, 1/28/2003
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I think you are missing the third scenario, which is what Bush is looking for (and the UN is supposedly looking for).
The burden of proof is on Iraq at this point. The Inspectors are not there to check every nook and cranny of Iraq for WOMD, they are there to verify that Iraq has indeed disarmed.
Iraq's job is not to sit there merrily as the inspectors search their country, there job is to do the following-
-Provide complete reports of their weapons capability at the time that the sanctions were levied,
-Provide detailed accounting of all illegal weapons programs, and
-Show all documentation and proof that the weapons were indeed destroyed, that the programs were destroyed, and that there is no longer the capability to produce these weapons.
The UN has already admitted that Iraq's "12,000 page report" was hogwash. It is full of lies, and basically says that there are no weapons, without addressing what was done with the capability they had. Where are the chemicals they had? How and when were they destroyed? What became of the weapons programs?
Seriously, it is a total wild goose-chase to have a group of people scurrying about the country looking for "proof," when it is up to Iraq to PRESENT US with the evidence that they have complied.
Until they do that, which I doubt they will ever do, I think it is safe to assume that they still have the capability, and their protestation that they "have no weapons of mass distruction" is a lot of hot air. Words, nothing more.
The UN ordered Iraq to disarm. The UN is asking Iraq to prove it. Iraq is refusing. How can it be any more simple than that?



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Since: 1.3.02
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#39 Posted on

    Originally posted by CRZ

      Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
      Ashcroft was in the building, so he'd have kakked too.
    Well, no he wasn't.


You are correct, sir. I often mix Ashcroft and Rumsfeld up, hence my confusion.




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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Let me make sure I'm following this correctly:

    If the UN Weapons Inspectors find weapons of mass distraction in Iraq that would be a definite reason for the US to go to war.

    If the UN Weapons Inspectors do not find weapons of mass distraction in Iraq, that means Saddam has hidden them and refuses to declare them, and is a definite reason for the US to go to war.

    Now, if the UN Weapons Inspectors determine that Saddam weighs the same as a duck, he is therefore made of wood, and therefore a witch. Or am I getting that confused with something equally logical?



This is a silly comparison. There is an easy way for Saddam to clear his name, and that is to show evidence that he has disarmed of the weapons we know him to have. This is a government, one that has stayed in power for years. You think they don't keep records? You think Saddam just says "Hey, Uday... toss that shit in the garbage. Invoice? Nahhhh."



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