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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    his interview doesn't really support either side being able to claim "VICTORY".

Unless your side is that the ending was open-ended and ambiguous! 'Cause the show's creator saying he doesn't want to explain the final scene, thus leaving the viewers to interpret it for themselves, is the very definition of ambiguity. At least I think it is, I'll have to look it up.

But come on. Let's put it on the table. The writer from Jersey who got the one post-finale interview with David Chase doesn't think the ending implied that Tony was dead. Noted TV writer Tim Goodman from the San Francisco Chronicle doesn't think Tony's dead, and even wrote a thing poo-pooing the whole idea from both storyline and creative standpoints. I could go on and on with educated and informed sorts who don't think that's how it ended.

Which I don't mention as proof that I'm right, cause it doesn't really "prove" anything. I mention it mainly to show how silly chill's "people just don't get it", "they missed the point", etc. stuff is. 'Cause, jeez.

Along those same lines, here's the AP recap of the Chase interview:


    Fans of The Sopranos who thought the series' open-ended conclusion was a setup for a movie may be in for disappointment: Creator David Chase says it isn't so.

Okay, I'll stop.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      his interview doesn't really support either side being able to claim "VICTORY".

    Unless your side is that the ending was open-ended and ambiguous! 'Cause the show's creator saying he doesn't want to explain the final scene, thus leaving the viewers to interpret it for themselves, is the very definition of ambiguity. At least I think it is, I'll have to look it up.

    But come on. Let's put it on the table. The writer from Jersey who got the one post-finale interview with David Chase doesn't think the ending implied that Tony was dead. Noted TV writer Tim Goodman from the San Francisco Chronicle doesn't think Tony's dead, and even wrote a thing poo-pooing the whole idea from both storyline and creative standpoints. I could go on and on with educated and informed sorts who don't think that's how it ended.

    Which I don't mention as proof that I'm right, cause it doesn't really "prove" anything. I mention it mainly to show how silly chill's "people just don't get it", "they missed the point", etc. stuff is. 'Cause, jeez.

    Along those same lines, here's the AP recap of the Chase interview:


      Fans of The Sopranos who thought the series' open-ended conclusion was a setup for a movie may be in for disappointment: Creator David Chase says it isn't so.

    Okay, I'll stop.


Well to be fair he said, "It's all there.." which could mean think of it what you want, or I made it kinda obvious what happens if you pay attention. Of course that itself it open to interpretation so whatever. Again, to me it's the extra seconds of black screen that say something very strong towards Tony getting popped. If he didn't, why the instant black screen for so long? What purpose did that serve, in telling the story, if not as a reference to the earlier conversation? Why flash back to that conversation just one week before this final episode?

Of course thinking he lived is perfectly valid cause we didn't see anything happen to him, I guess I just don't get the black screen thing if that's the case. It's like, why lead us down this path if that's not where you wanted to go?
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    . If he didn't, why the instant black screen for so long? What purpose did that serve, in telling the story, if not as a reference to the earlier conversation?


Shout out to Andy Kaufman!

Sometimes, you screw with people because you have a reason, sometimes you screw with people without one.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by thecubsfan

      . If he didn't, why the instant black screen for so long? What purpose did that serve, in telling the story, if not as a reference to the earlier conversation?


    Shout out to Andy Kaufman!

    Sometimes, you screw with people because you have a reason, sometimes you screw with people without one.


I have no clue why I'm still bothering with this, but I just read this on the front page of cnn.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/15/television.sopranos.reut/index.html

Here's the basic idea of it:

""While he won't say to me 100 percent what it all means, he says some people who've guessed have come closer than others," HBO spokesman Quentin Schaffer told Reuters after speaking to Chase.

"There are definitely things there that he intended for people to pick up on," Schaffer said."
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Again, to me it's the extra seconds of black screen that say something very strong towards Tony getting popped. If he didn't, why the instant black screen for so long? What purpose did that serve, in telling the story, if not as a reference to the earlier conversation? Why flash back to that conversation just one week before this final episode?

    Of course thinking he lived is perfectly valid cause we didn't see anything happen to him, I guess I just don't get the black screen thing if that's the case. It's like, why lead us down this path if that's not where you wanted to go?

I read the length of the black screen as just screwing with the audience. Not in a bad way, but whatever the intention of the ending was, if you know you're going to end your show out of the blue like that then you're already goosing the viewers. The length of the black screen just adds to it, because everyone's hanging there in suspense. Everyone's wondering what's going on, if the cable went out, or whatever. It draws it out.

If you just cut and go right to the credits, it doesn't have the same punch. But I didn't look at it as impacting the meaning one way or another.

There's just so much misinformation from the "Tony died" side that I am distrustful of it on principle. The stuff about the guy in the jacket being Phil's cousin, or the black guys being the ones who'd gone after Tony in an earlier season. And people making up that Bobby said "it just goes black", which he didn't say.

He did say the "you probably don't even hear it" or whatever, but why are people leaping onto Bobby's theory to explain Tony's death? Especially when it didn't seem to be a nice, cut-to-black "you don't hear it" exit for poor Mr. Baccalieri.


EDIT: this is kinda funny. That article you linked to from Reuters is apparently the second version of that story. Originally, the writer included the BS info off the net about Tony dying, like Bobby saying "it all goes black" and stuff, and based the column on stuff that wasn't true. But now it's updated with all the BS removed and they had to add in new material to fill the space, like the comments Jimmy Gandolfini... I call him Jimmy... gave that paper.

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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    I read the length of the black screen as just screwing with the audience. Not in a bad way, but whatever the intention of the ending was, if you know you're going to end your show out of the blue like that then you're already goosing the viewers. The length of the black screen just adds to it, because everyone's hanging there in suspense. Everyone's wondering what's going on, if the cable went out, or whatever. It draws it out.


It wasn't just the black screen that was messing with the viewers - it was the slow build that lead up to it as well. He was playing the viewers like a fiddle - only to cut them off.

There's this obsession with the final 3 minutes of an episode with little talk about the entire show that preceded it. Everything points to life going on as it always has before - these are miserable people, living miserable lives, doing miserable things. Whether or not Tony gets whacked right when the screen goes dark, or a year from now, or lives until 80, it doesn't really matter. It has nothing to do with the point of the show.

In some ways, it is a nod to The Godfather (I & II), Casino, and Goodfellas - all which end with the characters having to live in this miserable world they've created for themselves. Chase just went about it in a different way.

Plus, he's probably saying,"I 'whacked' Phil and had a van crush his head, and you people STILL aren't satisfied?!!?"



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
Bob Harris has a really interesting take on the final scene that almost has me, the guy who started this bitter, bitter thread, ready to declare the ending among the most brilliant moments in television history. I could pull some excerpts, but it's really long and detailed and you really ought to go read the whole thing.
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