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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.50
Based on what I've read elsewhere - there where a few different people in the diner who had issues with Tony. Phil's nephew was there, a truck driver that Chris had stolen DVD players from was there, and some guys who had shot Tony in the ear a few seasons ago were there.

I enjoyed the episode. Phil's demise was awesome. The FBI agent openly rooting for Tony was awesome. AJ is still messed up - but that's fine, it's not like he would be fine in real life.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
    Originally posted by Sterling Golden
    Without an onscreen death of Tony, the door is left open. Walk through that door to Sopranos...The Movie.


Sure. And it's being released a year after the Deadwood movie.

I think it's fine if people want to see the ending as open-ended. But really, it was exactly the way death comes (according to characters in Tony's crew): black and without them hearing it. I don't think there's any coincidence, but to each their own.

The series ended with a bang, despite us not hearing it. The ending was a reward to the fans who understood where it was going. It made perfect sense, without needing to show it. But I think some people missed the point completely. And I bet David Chase is smiling that he outsmarted some people and that a lot of fans are up in arms.

The show is over, it's not coming back. James Gandofini said so on Sunday to someone (can't remember which media source), saying that the way the series ends, there's no way it could ever go on.

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by chill
    The series ended with a bang, despite us not hearing it. The ending was a reward to the fans who understood where it was going. It made perfect sense, without needing to show it. But I think some people missed the point completely. And I bet David Chase is smiling that he outsmarted some people and that a lot of fans are up in arms.


Which is my issue with Chase - he seems to have developed such a disdain for the core audience that helped make his show a success. Frankly, it's really annoying.

I'm not outraged over the ending (although I thought the episode was pretty uninspiring). I don't think Chase was just implying that Tony gets killed, I think he was metaphorically "whacking" the series. The show has always toyed with the 4th wall, and while it's cute and all, I can understand why people are less that happy with this.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Which is my issue with Chase - he seems to have developed such a disdain for the core audience that helped make his show a success. Frankly, it's really annoying.

Probably because a big portion of said audience were blood-thirsty vampires, craving blood/sex/"whackings", which isn't what the series was about.



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#26 Posted on
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Probably because a big portion of said audience were blood-thirsty vampires, craving blood/sex/"whackings", which isn't what the series was about.


Fair enough - I just thought he enjoyed punishing everyone a little too much. I can't find the article now but I remember reading, when there was a two year break between seasons, he said the fans of the series will complain and moan about the wait - and then eat the new season up with a spoon. While he ended up being right, he just seemed to enjoy torturing his audience a little too much.

Anyway, Salon has a very good review of the finale, which I think has softened me up to it a bit:

"The Sopranos" goes dark


    As the screen went black in the middle of a line from the song "Don't Stop Believin'" by Journey, it was hard not to wonder, Is Chase brilliant for so thoroughly subverting our expectations, or ... is he just an asshole?

    ...

    But on Sunday night, he returned to the show's original twisted tragicomic roots: A.J. watches in awe and disbelief as his car goes up in flames because he parked too close to a patch of dry leaves; Phil Leotardo is shot, his head then crushed under the wheel of his own car (Grandbabies waving bye-bye from the back seat! Bystanders vomiting!), in a scene so rich and silly it felt like "The Sopranos" parodying itself; Tony and Carmela speak to A.J.'s shrink and Tony slips easily into a discussion of how incredibly cruel his mother was to him. We can see the next few decades flash before Carmela's eyes: This is Tony's never-ending sob story, and it doesn't matter who's listening.

    As we've been reminded all season, Tony is all about Tony, no matter whom he pretends to be protecting. He's not necessarily a complete sociopath. He's just your average self-interested, smug American. What was Steve Perry singing in that final scene?

    Working hard to get my fill,
    Everybody wants a thrill
    Payin' anything to roll the dice,
    Just one more time
    Some will win, some will lose
    Some were born to sing the blues
    Oh, the movie never ends
    It goes on and on and on and on

    (Chase really does have the last laugh, here, making us pick apart lyrics to a Journey song, for Christsakes.)




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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
    Originally posted by Leroy
    I just thought he enjoyed punishing everyone a little too much.


Did he really punish anyone though just because he didn't spell out what happened at the end? Most fans clearly are upset because they didn't get the instant gratification of SEEING and HEARING Tony get whacked and seeing the shock his family would suffer from witnessing it.

I was one of the many who at first thought my cable had gone out. Then I slowly realized what had happened. It means more this way. Finally, I admire that Chase had enough respect for his audience to NOT spell it out for us. He believed we would be able to figure out what the blackness and silence meant. The longer the silence lasts, the more impact it has on repeat viewings.

Bravo. But I do see why so many hate the ending. Once they come around like I did, I think they'll like it. And if they don't, then obviously, they just wanted to see the physical act of killing off Tony. Ah well.

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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
I think this was easily one of the top five best series finales ever.

This shows fans were NEVER going to be happy with ANY ending, I'm sure David Chase knew this, so he gives us an 'anti-ending'; a blank screen. Every single viewer is going to have an opinion on what happens and they can each be correct.

David Chase is a fucking GENIUS!
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by chill
    Did he really punish anyone though just because he didn't spell out what happened at the end? Most fans clearly are upset because they didn't get the instant gratification of SEEING and HEARING Tony get whacked and seeing the shock his family would suffer from witnessing it.


I don't think the issue is the ending.

The problem is that the mob genre is so rooted in the massive bloodlettings of Scorsese and Coppola that it's almost a pavlovian response to the genre - kind of like seeing your favorite band in concert, have them tease playing your favorite song, and, before they do, they walk off stage without an encore. It doesn't mean that the concert sucked, per se, but it does kind of leave you scratching your head going "WTF!?!"

At the same time, I do agree with Spaceman Spiff - some people got so obsessed with the low body count that Chase was almost forced to move the series in a different direction in order for it to not fall into "just another typical mob epic". That's fine with me - but Chase seemed to enjoy pissing these people off, and I can't help but wonder if the series suffered a little for it.





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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.34
Seadawg nailed it.

If Tony indeed got whacked, the final scene would have been someone he was looking at (like Meadow walking into the restaurant). The "ones who didn't see it coming" was the audience. WE faded to black... it was the series that was whacked, not Tony.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by TwisterF5
    Seadawg nailed it.

    If Tony indeed got whacked, the final scene would have been someone he was looking at (like Meadow walking into the restaurant). The "ones who didn't see it coming" was the audience. WE faded to black... it was the series that was whacked, not Tony.


I disagree. Every shot of that final scene was us seeing Tony look at something, and then getting his point of view of what he was looking at. At the end he looks up but when we switch to his view, it's black because he just got whacked from someone he didn't see coming. No point in showing us anything else. If it was just "life goes on" then I think it would have faded to black or cut right to credits. By going black immediately and staying there for several seconds, he drove the point home to me.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.22
and here is the only post-Sopranos interview of David Chase that you are going to read courtesy of tthe Star Ledger - Tony Soprano's morning paper.

The crushing of Phil's head elevated that particular hit into the pantheon of hits on the show - though nothing ever tops Ralphie.

The final scene, I tend to agree with the writer's Theory # 1 - this is Tony's life now - everything & everyone is a threat and no one is safe. The final two words that we heard in that painful Journey song were "Don't Stop" and that is how we all felt about the show.

and as for the theory that everyone in the diner was from past seasons & storylines ? Not true. Too bad. Would have been cool.

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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
Using my crazy college film study courses for a minute...

It's a pretty common technique to 'bond' the viewer to a character's perspective by alternating between shots of the character and shots from the character's point of view. It's like in horror movies when someone's creeping down a hall investigating a strange noise -- you get both what they see and reaction shots to what they're seeing.

The sequence at the end was definitely bonding us to Tony's POV. Just because we close on a shot of him doesn't mean that we're somehow third person omniscient -- we're still under the limitations of his perspective. So, if he DID die, that shot is still valid.

Also interesting is when Tony walks into the diner, we never see him get to his table. He stops, staring at the table, and then one shot later he's sitting at the table... it's a strange, almost dream-sequence like transition. Definitely set the odd tone for the last scene.

I'd agree with interpretations that this is left open to interpretation. There's two ways it can roll -- either he got whacked and never heard the shot that got him, or life just goes on in a perpetual state of tension and fear with suspicions all around him. Both are valid given the way the scene was set up, with ratcheting tension and paranoia.

At first I was definitely WTFing, but by now I've accepted that it was a really clever way to end things. Not a way that will ever get popular opinion's approval, kinda like the ending of The Prisoner, but still clever.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.50
The more I think about ti, the more I like it. The ending is fine with me, but it was a bit clunky. I was one who thought the cable went out, not that they just faded to black. It could have been done better, but I like that they went with a controversial ending for a controversial show.




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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87

TONY LIVES
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
From IMDB.com http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2007-06-13/#celeb6


    Journey Rocker Kept 'Sopranos' Creator Waiting
    SPOILER ALERT: Rocker Steve Perry refused to let The Sopranos creator David Chase use his classic song "Don't Stop Believin'" in the mob show's final scene until he knew the fate of the drama's leading characters. The ex-Journey frontman kept Chase waiting until three days before the long-awaited finale aired in America on Sunday. Perry is a huge Sopranos fan and feared his 1981 rock anthem would be remembered as the soundtrack to the death of James Gandolfini's character Tony Soprano - until Chase assured him that wouldn't be the case. Perry says, "The request came in a few weeks ago and it wasn't until Thursday that it got approval, because I was concerned. I was not excited about (the possibility of) the Soprano family being whacked to 'Don't Stop Believin''. Unless I know what happens - and I will swear to secrecy - I can't in good conscience feel good about its use." And Perry was so true to his word, he didn't even tell his family the song featured in the finale. He adds, "I didn't want to blow it. Even my wife didn't know. She looked at me and said, 'You knew that and you didn't tell me?'"




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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.85
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
    TONY LIVES


At no point in Chase's interview did he say anything about Tony living or dying past the end of the finale. You're referring to the part of the interview when Chase says he's played around with the idea of "going back to a day in 2006 that you didn't see, but then (Tony's children) would be older than they were then and you would know that Tony doesn't get killed." Clearly, he means that Tony doesn't get killed at that stage of the Sopranos timeline. That doesn't refer to the series in general.

Food for thought, the actor who played Agent Harris says the final scene was supposed to include a couple seconds more, which implied in less subtle ways that Tony was supposed to die:

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/06/the_sopranos_cast_watches_the.html


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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
    Originally posted by chill
    You're referring to the part of the interview when Chase says

Actually, it's what Chase doesn't say that I'm referring to. For example, "Tony's dead". Or perhaps "What? A movie? That might be kinda hard without Tony". Because if there was no ambiguity to the final scene and Tony was quite obviously killed, there would be no reason for him to say anything but that, right?
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by SEADAWG
      Originally posted by chill
      You're referring to the part of the interview when Chase says

    Actually, it's what Chase doesn't say that I'm referring to. For example, "Tony's dead". Or perhaps "What? A movie? That might be kinda hard without Tony". Because if there was no ambiguity to the final scene and Tony was quite obviously killed, there would be no reason for him to say anything but that, right?


Well if, as I guessed, he just didn't want to come out and tell those who couldn't figure it out for themselves what happened then he wouldn't.

That's not to be an arrogant jerk, just to say his interview doesn't really support either side being able to claim "VICTORY".

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