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talena696
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#1 Posted on
Seeing how I am an avid fan of Keiji Mutoh and his Shining Wizard, which in the best offensive strike in wrestling. I thought I'd clear up the debacle about the move...

The Shining Wizard is a off the victim's knee, knee smash to face. It looks like this...



It's also called that, because Mutoh said so. Only he knows the reason why. The Cross Wizards refers not his stable, but his taunt. It's also called PURORESU LOVE~!, It looks this...



His stable is actually called BATT or Bad Ass Trading Transit.

OTHER SHINING WIZARD VARIATIONS:


The Hurricane's move is a running enzigiri, not a Shing Wizard. His version looks this...



The Shining Black is Masahiro Chono's version of the move. His version is not a knee strike, his version is yakuza(mafia) kick.

The HagaKure is off-the-knee high angle jumping knee strike. Almost the same as a Shining Wizard, but not the same. It look like this...



The Shining Dragon, is a off-the-knee enzigiri. Done by most "Dragon" wrestlers, hince the name.

These moves are the SAME as the Shining Wizard, but with a different name.

The Shining Apprentice is a Shining Wizard, it called that because it is done by Kaz Hayashi, Mutoh's apprentice.

The Sternness Wizard is Jun Akiyama's Shining Wizard, still the same move though.

I hope this clears up all the debacle behind the Shining Wizard and it's origin. Also the confusement, of moves that are similar to it, but are not it.



(edited by talena696 on 22.5.03 2122)


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#2 Posted on
Well, if by "debacle" you really mean "debate" . . . or "confusion" or "controversy" . .. but I hardly think it was a debacle.


(edited by Vega14k on 23.5.03 0104)



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#3 Posted on
I love the word 'debacle' just because it reminds me of WWF WrestleMania: the Arcade Game. "It's a total debacle!"

Regardless, I appreciate the much-needed tutorial. One addition to it, if I may; another alternate name for the Shining Wizard is the 'Flash Magic', the name given to it in SmackDown: Shut Your Mouth. I mean, it's a fairly obvious one, but nonetheless may as well be included.

I'm actually somewhat surprised there aren't more wrestlers out there who have yoinked the Shining Wizard.
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#4 Posted on
I wouldn't ever use move names from a video game as legit, as they usually aren't. Occasionally they're accurate, but not often.

That said, I appreciate the tutorial, it's about time SOMEONE cleared it all up.
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#5 Posted on


    Originally Quoted by: Amazing Telephone
    I'm actually somewhat surprised there aren't more wrestlers out there who have yoinked the Shining Wizard]



Acutally alot of indy wrestlers have taken it too.

I know for a fact B-Boy, the 2003 CZW Best of the Best winner, took it.

I know for a fact Homicide, of Jersey All-Pro Wrestling, CZW, and other indy leagues, took it too. He calls it the Shining Gangsta.

Both Brisco Brothers(Mark and Jay) stole it as well.

And last but not least, the self-proclaimed "King of the Indies" Reckless Youth stole it as well. He calls it the Reckless Wizard, I think.

There are probably alot of other people who have too, but it will take too long to name them all. WHY?!

Because it's the most stolen move in wrestling since the Ace Crusher. So Many Variations, but none come close to the original, which is done by the "Natural Born Master" Keiji Mutoh.




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LET ME HOLLA AT YA PLAYA!

PWI already made reference to this in its "50 questions" survey this year. It had the biggest Strike move, and both Hurricane and Mutoh placed on it. They named Hurricane's move the "Shining Enzugiri" and explained the differences.
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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by SamRulezTheWorld
    I wouldn't ever use move names from a video game as legit, as they usually aren't.


PAH! I defy anyone to tell me that Goldberg's finisher is not the Brainbuster Pin ;)



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by dMr

      Originally posted by SamRulezTheWorld
      I wouldn't ever use move names from a video game as legit, as they usually aren't.


    PAH! I defy anyone to tell me that Goldberg's finisher is not the Brainbuster Pin ;)



I thought it was the Sledgehammer. If I was brought into court, put under oath and asked what Goldberg's finisher was, "sledgehammer" would be my testimony, yes.



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#9 Posted on
OMG! HANGMAN'S DDT > J00!

Better listen, I'll give you the Insider's Edge. :)
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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard

      Originally posted by dMr

        Originally posted by SamRulezTheWorld
        I wouldn't ever use move names from a video game as legit, as they usually aren't.


      PAH! I defy anyone to tell me that Goldberg's finisher is not the Brainbuster Pin ;)



    I thought it was the Sledgehammer. If I was brought into court, put under oath and asked what Goldberg's finisher was, "sledgehammer" would be my testimony, yes.



Its Jackhammer.




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#11 Posted on
Helms has referred to his move as the "Shining Black" on his site in the past.
When he first started doing it, it looked a lot less sloppy than it does now.
Perhaps it's his opponents not getting in proper position for the move. (As evidenced by Lance Storm above.)

(Oh, and is this the first shining wizard ever to ...ahem...break a table? ;-D )




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#12 Posted on
    Originally posted by talena696

    The Shining Black is Masahiro Chono's version of the move. His version is not a knee strike, his version is yakuza(mafia) kick.



Holy shnikeys! I MUST see this. It sounds incredibly sick judging by that description. Chono's got a mean mafia kick.

thanks for clearing things up. very interesting.

(edited by GrubbyLongJohns on 23.5.03 1413)


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#13 Posted on
I KNOW PLAYA, PEEP THIS...



    Originally Quoted by: Super Shane Spear
    PWI already made reference to this in its "50 questions" survey this year. It had the biggest Strike move, and both Hurricane and Mutoh placed on it. They named Hurricane's move the "Shining Enzugiri" and explained the differences.



I know, I guess who's placed number 1?!

Keiji Mutoh's SHINING WIZARD and not Hurricane's version. TWO YEARS IN A ROW IN FACT.
That proves my point even more, that it is the most innovative and most copied striking move in wrestling right now.

Also I didn't include the name "FLASH MAGIC" in my list of copied Shining Wizard, because like stated ealier, it's not a legit name. Also some of the Flash Magic's were taken from Mutoh's matches in Japan. I try and run them down late and tell yall waht match each one originated from.

And while we're on the subject of move names in video games...



    Originally Quoted by:SamRulesTheWorld
    OMG! HANGMAN'S DDT



The Hangman's DDT is called the Ganso Bomb. It was never meant to be a real move. Toshiaki Kawada was fighting Mitsuharu Misawa for All Japan's Triple Crown, when Kawada broke his arm by hitting Misawa in the head with a stiff forearm shot.(How can you tell?! Cause you can literally see Kawada POP it back in place a few times in the match.) Anyways, Misawa went for a Hurricanrana and but Kawada held on and tried to lift Misawa up for a powerbomb, but couldn't doi, due to his broken arm. So I guess he said "FUCK IT" and drop to his knees, crashing Misawa's head into the mat. So the imfamous Ganso Bomb spot was born.

Also, Kawada and Mutoh did the spot later in All Japan as weel. But this time it was pre-planned.

Here's another video game move story. The Six Seconds Magic in WWF NO MERCY for N64, is acutally a one time move as well. It was during the time of the great Antonio Inoki and Andre the Giant, first and only meating at Sumo Hall. That move is the submission hold, Inoki used to make Andre tap out for the first and only time in his career. In 3 minutes and 15 seconds, no less. :eek:

So I hope I've educated you some more about video games, puroresu moves, and of course, the Shining Wizard.



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#14 Posted on
    Originally posted by shinstrife

      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard

        Originally posted by dMr

          Originally posted by SamRulezTheWorld
          I wouldn't ever use move names from a video game as legit, as they usually aren't.


        PAH! I defy anyone to tell me that Goldberg's finisher is not the Brainbuster Pin ;)



      I thought it was the Sledgehammer. If I was brought into court, put under oath and asked what Goldberg's finisher was, "sledgehammer" would be my testimony, yes.



    Its Jackhammer.


Yes, I know, but in No Mercy for the N64, they left all the old WCW moves in the game and ever-so-slightly changed their names - leading to the Insider's Edge, the Flowing DDT and, yes, The Sledgehammer.

EDIT: And the rest of that, of course, was a Peter Gabriel song.

(edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 23.5.03 2150)


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#15 Posted on
    Originally posted by talena696
    The Six Seconds Magic in WWF NO MERCY for N64, is acutally a one time move as well. It was during the time of the great Antonio Inoki and Andre the Giant, first and only meating at Sumo Hall. That move is the submission hold, Inoki used to make Andre tap out for the first and only time in his career. In 3 minutes and 15 seconds, no less. :eek:

    So I hope I've educated you some more about video games, puroresu moves, and of course, the Shining Wizard.



It also was how Frank Shamrock won at one of the UFC Japan shows.


(edited by Mild Mannered Madman on 23.5.03 2016)


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Hey, I know wrestling has contact in it. I'd sure hate to be the guy to take Shinning Wizard knee strike. Looks, well, PAINFUL!



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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by jwrestle
    Hey, I know wrestling has contact in it. I'd sure hate to be the guy to take Shinning Wizard knee strike. Looks, well, PAINFUL!


Well, one of the benefits is, that Muto's knees are in such horrendous shape, that his kneepads are HUGE. This affords extra protection to the one taking it. Also, it helps Muto because there is less strain to his knees than say, a moonsault.




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#18 Posted on
shinstrife & talena 696:

I think you both missed the joke. :P
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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by SamRulezTheWorld
    shinstrife & talena 696:

    I think you both missed the joke. :P



I saw the joke...just correcting yah :P




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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by shinstrife

      Originally posted by SamRulezTheWorld
      shinstrife & talena 696:

      I think you both missed the joke. :P



    I saw the joke...just correcting yah :P



*scratches head*

The joke, such as it was , was that we were poking fun at the inaccuracies of video game move names. We needed not to be corrected. Well not on this matter anyway.

If it helps at all I think we can all settle happily for the fact that Goldberg's finisher is in fact The Spear




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