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|  #1 Posted on 18.3.02 1440.41 | Instant Rating: 0.00 | Just a comment,
It was good to hear these chants by 60,000 Canadians for a change, after all the Rock is not God! I was pulling for The Old Man too. The match had a very respectful end.
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|  #2 Posted on 18.3.02 1615.52 | One of the greatest Hogan matches I've seen in years.
The fans were amazing ( I wonder if the fans would have been pulling pulling for the rock the whole time, would the match have been different?)
Plus I heard that Hogan bruised his ribs earlier in the week (Hence his holding the side after the match, and likely why the people's elbow missed by a mile).
A damn fine match by any standard.
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| #3 Posted on 18.3.02 1619.06 |
I'm glad there's a reaon the Elbow was so horrible. We attributed it just to the Rock's lack of skill.
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| #4 Posted on 18.3.02 1818.14 | i didn't think a "rocky sucks" chant would ever be possible again short of rock feeding a chihuahua to a python.
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| #5 Posted on 18.3.02 1834.12 | I saw the Hogan turn coming a mile away. Since the NWO came into the WWF, I've felt Hogan was the only one who really acted like he could turn face. This should all be very interesting.
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| #6 Posted on 18.3.02 1841.00 | i was expecting hall and nash to come in to get hogan the win, which would lead to hulk getting pissed at them and split that way.
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| #7 Posted on 18.3.02 1905.54 | Instant Rating: 0.00 | I was surprised how pro-Hogan the crowd was, and I think that really added to the match.
I wasn't surprised that the Rock was being booed though. Didn't the same thing happen the last time the WWF swung though Eastern Canada? The crowd was cheering for Christian during the RAW main event against the Rock. Guess that's the one corner of the globe he's not massively popular.
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| #8 Posted on 18.3.02 2236.07 | Well, myself and a group of friends were at that Raw starting the "Christian" chant... we did it because Christian is one of our favourites, not because we hated The Rock, we just wanted to boost the stock of Christian (we also started a "Hurricane" chant too :).
If I would have been there in person at WM18, I would have chanted for The Rock just because I wouldn't have wanted him to job to Hogan at that match.
I like The Rock. Even though I wouldn't consider him one of my favourites, he is entertaining and tries hard to wrestle good matches. He isn't the "Rocky Maivia" foisted on the fans early in his career anymore... I don't understand the "Rocky Sucks" chants from "smart" fans just because he isn't the techincal master like Benoit or Angle. Heck, Rock gives back to so many wrestlers with job after job... so no one can complain that he is holding people back that way either.
I think the Hogan chants were the result of a wider audience that weren't as familiar with The Rock and loved Hogan from the old days. Another reason is the fact that this was the first time WWF fans have seen Hogan wrestle in a long time, they were happy to see him back.
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| #9 Posted on 19.3.02 0946.30 | Instant Rating: 5.01 | Foo Fighter,
For a long time, my biggest gripe against The Rock isn't that he isn't a techincal master like Benoit, Angle or Malenko. Nonono, because I can appreciate many different styles of wrestling. My biggest gripe against La Roca has been this: even when he does lose, he almost never loses completely cleanly. Someone has to hit him with a chair, or run in, or whatever. Rock never, eeeeeeeeeeeeeever taps out. Rock never even passes out during submission holds (TM Steve Austin, WM 13).
My point is that even when he loses, he never actually jobs, you know what I mean? A clean win over The Rock means a hell of a lot more than a screwjob win over The Rock-- because everyone can get that. Hell, underpushed Lance Storm once got a screwjob victory over The Rock via countout.
Yes, I know this isn't entirely his fault. But from what I understand from reading The Rock's book, the wrestler booked to lose has something of a choice as to whether or not to actually job cleanly. According to the book, The Undertaker was once booked to lose to an up-and-coming Rocky Miavia. He could have decided it would be a screwjob, but he decided instead to allow The Rock to beat him cleanly with the People's Elbow.
I just wish that once in awhile, The Rock would extend others the same courtesy.
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| #10 Posted on 19.3.02 1021.08 | He jobbed pretty well on the RAW before 'Mania. He sure as hell jobs more than Austin (and more than Hogan ever did), even if it is by suspicious means.
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| #11 Posted on 19.3.02 1113.15 |
Originally posted by Leroy
(Rock)sure as hell jobs more than Austin
Amen to that.
It amazes me that Austin always gets a pass when it comes to these superstars-we-hate discussions.
Lots of weiners hate HHH. Tons of us despise The Rock. Some beg Undertaker to retire. Etcetera.
Yet Austin is made of teflon, apparently. | Qubber
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|  #12 Posted on 20.3.02 0326.05 | Instant Rating: 8.00 | For the record, Austin's no selling ass drives me up the frickin wall. What? Yeah, I said he drives me up the wall.
Glad to see I'm not the only one, shea, but I think we're a tiny minority to say the least.
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|  #13 Posted on 20.3.02 0415.35 |
Originally posted by ekedolphin
For a long time, my biggest gripe against The Rock isn't that he isn't a techincal master like Benoit, Angle or Malenko. Nonono, because I can appreciate many different styles of wrestling. My biggest gripe against La Roca has been this: even when he does lose, he almost never loses completely cleanly. Someone has to hit him with a chair, or run in, or whatever. Rock never, eeeeeeeeeeeeeever taps out. Rock never even passes out during submission holds (TM Steve Austin, WM 13).
My point is that even when he loses, he never actually jobs, you know what I mean? A clean win over The Rock means a hell of a lot more than a screwjob win over The Rock-- because everyone can get that. Hell, underpushed Lance Storm once got a screwjob victory over The Rock via countout.
WOW! That's EXACTLY what I dislike about the Rock. I'm sick and tired of people saying he jobs clean. He never does. It always has to be a run in, or a chair shot or something like that. Remember when Steph got a pin over him months ago? People were saying he jobbed clean to her. What poppycock! If my memory is correct, three/four wrestlers beat him up.
That doesn't mean I hate him. I respect him, but he's not among my top 5 fav. wrestlers. However, I still hate Hogan and would cheer for Rock over him any day.
As for Austin, he's hard to figure out. As a heel, he jobs, but as a face, he never jobs. Drives me crazy...
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| #14 Posted on 20.3.02 0440.06 | Instant Rating: 8.00 | Te fact that the Rock jobs though, regardless of how, is enough for me. Knowing that he might lose means the match is more interesting because of the unpredictability. The WWFs obsession with super faces at the main event level just kills my interest in any match Austin (or Triple H for that matter) might have because you just know they're not going to lose, and on the rare occasion they do they'll have got the win back a.s.a.p., most likely within 24 hours.
Rock-Hogan was great precisely because there was no way to know who would actually do the job. Austin-Hall and HHH-Y2J were foregone conclusions, the face would win, and win impressively so I could never get into those matches the way I was into Rock-Hogan. Everyone should lose more, it'd spice things up no end.
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| #15 Posted on 20.3.02 0444.47 |
Originally posted by Qubber
Rock-Hogan was great precisely because there was no way to know who would actually do the job.
I easily predicted Rock would win.
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| #16 Posted on 20.3.02 0501.01 | Instant Rating: 8.00 | Originally posted by Addy
I easily predicted Rock would win.
Did you know for sure though? Despite the fact that Rock should have won, and rightly did so, knowing Hogan's political history and knowing the way that the WWF happily ignores who should rightly win, how could you have been certain beforehand and during the match that Rock would win? Knowing Rock does job added an amount of unpredictably that was absent in other matches, surely?
I mean I predicted Rock would win, but I didn't think that was any more than a 60-40 guess at best. How certain did you feel about it? I'm not saying this to knock you, I'm genuinely interested.
(edited by Qubber on 20.3.02 1103)
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| #17 Posted on 20.3.02 1135.39 | To say that Rock never taps out, or even passes out during submission holds, is true, but it makes no point. What face besides Austin (one time) has passed out in a submission hold, in the WWF in the last five years? I think Chris Jericho may have once against Benoit. It is also very hard to find any instance of top level WWF faces tapping out during that period. They just are not booked to do it.
If the problem with the Rock is that he never loses totally clean, then you might have a problem with almost all WWF faces. Even when Foley was putting over HHH, it always took a sledgehammer, or thumbtacks and the like to do it. When Foley was putting over Rock, Rock used fork lifts, the Big Show, and multiple chair shots combined with Foley's recorded voice to do so. These are just the title matches that i am recalling. Heels cheat to win against top faces in the WWF.
What i like about the Rock is that while his opponent cheats, a big match will still usually ends with a finisher. When Rock was put over Angle, it ended with the Olympic Slam. When he put over Jericho it ended with the breakdown. That makes it better than Austin putting over Jericho because of a belt shot from Booker T. In that way, when Rock puts someone over it means more.
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| #18 Posted on 20.3.02 1155.52 |
Originally posted by Qubber
Te fact that the Rock jobs though, regardless of how, is enough for me. Knowing that he might lose means the match is more interesting because of the unpredictability. .
Ditto... and especially against Hogan - yeah, I thought Rock should win, and to be honest, I hoped Rock would win. But against Hogan, and to quote a different Rock - "Ya never know".
Also, is it me, or did Hogan just look plain old after that match. He's standing their, hunched over holding his rib, with a face that reminded me of my grandfather. Granted, he kept up during the match, but afterwords he looked like he was 60 years old.
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| #19 Posted on 20.3.02 1208.35 | I think the reactions of the Canadians can be attributed to the fact that they don't get wrestling as much as America does (although, people in Oregon would disagree), they haven't had a Hogan match in years (although, no one has since 2000 or last week's RAW), and they haven't had WrestleMania in 12 years (but, plenty of RAWs and house shows!). After thinking about it, I guess the Canadian fans were just plain dumb.
Don't get me wrong, it was great to see Hogan get cheered like that in his big WrestleMania return. He helped make the event what it was, but what in the blue hell did Rocky ever do to deserve that?
The crowd definitely made the match a lot more dramatic and made Rock's win a lot more meaningful (ala Rocky IV where Russia booed Rocky heavily, but didn't chant "ROCKY SUCKS!") The problem I have with this is that the Canadians weren't dynamic like the Russians were. At the end of the match, they should have been popping for the guy who Hogan nearly killed and overcame their spiteful hatred to win the title of Greatest Wrestler of All Time.
Instead, they just appeared bitter that Hogan didn't win. I think this proves that their learning curve is pretty low. Advantage: Russia.
I agree that Hogan should have a big win or two over someone (HHH!) during this WWF run, but there's no way he should have won at WrestleMania. Rocky's been due since WM2K for a big win and it's about time he got one. | cfgb
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| #20 Posted on 20.3.02 1217.51 | Instant Rating: 7.87 | they haven't had a Hogan match in years
March 29, 1999 - Diamond Dallas Page vs. Hollywood Hogan
We've gone just a tad longer than the States have. ;-)
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