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Been watching this game all night. What a great couple of comebacks. Tied up 8-8 right now.

This is going to be a huge heartbreaker no matter who wins and who loses.

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He never touched the plate.

And how come the sports media go on about how Rivera has 'lost a step' yet no one talks about Trevor Hoffman? That guy CLEARY has a fork sticking in him.



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    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
    He never touched the plate.
Yeahbut he probably should have tried to tag him. Besides it would have been man on second with two outs and the Padres would have found some OTHER way to make sure it didn't get to 14. (And don't get me wrong, I say that with a lot of sadness and sympathy for all of the important Padres fans in my life)

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Great ending, albeit tarnished by the no-touch of the plate.
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Great strategy by Hurdle in the 13th. He knew that Armando Benitez Jr. (also known as Jorge Julio) would get blasted, thus forcing a choking dog like Hoffman into the game. Honestly, was anyone who watched Julio's act in Baltimore the least bit surprised, except for him only giving up 2 runs to 3 batters instead of 3 runs? Speaking of dogs, what the hell was it with the guy behind the plate having a dog on his lap? Hoffman might have topped Tom Glavine for worst big money pitcher in the stretch run award, as Glavine only gave it up once in the last weekend of the season, while Hoffman did it twice. I despise the Yankees, but Hoffman should never be mentioned in the same paragraph as Rivera, never mind his superior as SI tried to perpetrate a few years ago. Also, if you are Jake Peavy and supposedly the most dominant pitcher in the National League, once your team comes back from 3-0 to take a 5-3 lead, take the game home. Combined with his post-season track record, you have to question Peavy's ability in a big spot.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.23
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
      He never touched the plate.
    Yeahbut he probably should have tried to tag him. Besides it would have been man on second with two outs and the Padres would have found some OTHER way to make sure it didn't get to 14. (And don't get me wrong, I say that with a lot of sadness and sympathy for all of the important Padres fans in my life)

    (edited by CRZ on 1.10.07 2326)


It was weird, because Barrett lost the ball, look at the home plate ump who just sort of stood there. Then Barrett made a motion to go tag him, but I guess the ump, probably thinking about not having 60,000 angry, tired, drunk fans ready to pelt him with garbage slowly gave the safe sign.

I agree, the Padres were destined to lose that game, but that's a tough way to lose.

The happiest person in Colorado? Jorge Julio....

(edited by DirtyMikeSeaver on 1.10.07 2138)


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Well, that was damn near the game of the season. I have no idea what Barrett was doing not making the tag. Didn't he read about Merkle's Boner 100 years ago?



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Well, that was damn near the game of the season. I have no idea what Barrett was doing not making the tag. Didn't he read about Merkle's Boner 100 years ago?


It almost looked to me like the ump was looking to see if Barrett actually held onto the throw before giving the safe sign.

In any event, Holliday probably shouldn't have gone in head first, Barrett had the plate blocked pretty good, and Holliday nearly knocked himself the hell out with an EPIC faceplant going in. Probably would have been easier if Holliday had tried to bowl him over, or tried a hook slide.





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Whether he touched the plate or not is certainly up for debate, but there's no question that Matt Holliday has put an exclamation point on his claim for MVP with that triple off one of the game's best closers. In the clutch, no less.

A bit of the blame can also go to Peavy. No way the ace of the staff should give up 6 runs in 6 innings when it really counts.




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Michael Barrett's season ending on Michael Barrett being unable to hold onto the ball in a key situation - it's so emblematic of his season, it's too perfect.

This was probably not the walk year he was hoping for.



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    Originally posted by kwik
    I have no idea what Barrett was doing not making the tag. Didn't he read about Merkle's Boner 100 years ago?


It almost looked to me like the ump was looking to see if Barrett actually held onto the throw before giving the safe sign.


That was the weird part, having umped a bit back in the day - the slow call just looked fishy. Like if Barrett caught the throw, *then he would call Holliday out for not touching the plate?

* I don't remember Barrett being that good at blocking the plate.
** Dropping throws from the outfield, I remember all too well.

This has been a hell of a post-season without even getting to the actual post-season yet.


But I can do without the boring announce team and cable access production values, TBS. Did they do that game with 3, or 4 cameras? No definitive angle on either of the big controversial plays = Fail.




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If Barrett tags him, then they could've at least protested in vain.

But he didn't so...

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I was there. Crazy game. Absolutely the biggest win in Rockies' history (not that that's saying a lot). Holliday's phantom tag might've been a makeup call for Garrett Atkins' negated homerun, earlier.

The second verse of "if you build it, they will come" is "but you have to win to get them to come back". I went to a few Rockies games in August and they were lucky to top 20,000 fans. It didn't matter if you had a seat tonight, as you wouldn't use it. Everybody was standing up almost the entire game [here's the part where someone includes a hyperlinked picture of someone sitting down].

Most telling fact: for the past two Mondays, the Rockies have bumped the Broncos off of the front page of the newspaper. That NEVER happens during football season. From September on, you can expect to pick up the newspaper after a Broncos' game and, win or lose, they'll be on the cover.

I wouldn't punch Holliday's MVP ticket, though. The guy's a proud graduate of the Chili Davis School of Defense, as we saw in the 8th inning. But he locked up two of the big Triple Crown titles tonight and Matt Holliday's Bloody Chin will no doubt evoke comparisons to Curt Schilling's Bloody Sock.

I wouldn't fault Jake Peavy. Peavy was likely the best pitcher in the NL this year, but the Rockies simply don't care who they're facing. They're too emotional/too dumb to worry about matchups, reputations and stats. You've got to like their chances against ANY pitcher, right now.

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Barrett not making the tag - an old Mike Royko Chicago Sun Times and then Tribune Tradition (Royko was a columnist with those papers for like a billion years before he passed) was to rate teams for the playoffs on their "cubs factor" - the team with the most ex-cubs was sure to lose.

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.06
    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Barrett not making the tag - an old Mike Royko Chicago Sun Times and then Tribune Tradition (Royko was a columnist with those papers for like a billion years before he passed) was to rate teams for the playoffs on their "cubs factor" - the team with the most ex-cubs was sure to lose.

    Michael Barrett - ex-Cub

Thanks for the memory jog! I enjoyed reading Royko's columns when I was younger, and specifically remember that theory. Good times.

At the time, I would have also volunteered that the team with the most ex-Indians would have success, just so we could say, "Look, they left Cleveland and won." (see Joe Carter, for example.)

Congrats to the Rockies, let the playoffs begin! Go Tribe, Go Cubs!




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Barrett blocked the plate without posession of the ball, which by rule is obstruction.

    Originally posted by MLB Rulebook, Rule 7.06
    7.06
    When obstruction occurs, the umpire shall call or signal "Obstruction.". If a play is being made on the obstructed runner, or if the batterrunner is obstructed before he touches first base, the ball is dead and all runners shall advance, without liability to be put out, to the bases they would have reached, in the umpire's judgment, if there had been no obstruction. The obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond the base he had last legally touched before the obstruction. Any preceding runners, forced to advance by the award of bases as the penalty for obstruction, shall advance without liability to be put out.


So even if Holliday never actually touched home plate, he still would be awarded the base and it's the only logical explantion as to why the Padres didn't argue the call.

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    Originally posted by JoshMann
    Barrett blocked the plate without posession of the ball, which by rule is obstruction.

      Originally posted by MLB Rulebook, Rule 7.06
      7.06
      When obstruction occurs, the umpire shall call or signal "Obstruction.". If a play is being made on the obstructed runner, or if the batterrunner is obstructed before he touches first base, the ball is dead and all runners shall advance, without liability to be put out, to the bases they would have reached, in the umpire's judgment, if there had been no obstruction. The obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond the base he had last legally touched before the obstruction. Any preceding runners, forced to advance by the award of bases as the penalty for obstruction, shall advance without liability to be put out.


    So even if Holliday never actually touched home plate, he still would be awarded the base and it's the only logical explantion as to why the Padres didn't argue the call.

    (edited by JoshMann on 2.10.07 1116)


The problem is that obstruction at the plate is almost NEVER called. The catcher gets a huge benefit of a doubt on those plays. It is the logical explanation, yes, but it hardly ever happens.

It all really goes to Holliday's slide. If he just tries to bowl Barrett over, or uses a hook slide, or something else, I'm almost positive this issue never comes up. The headfirst slide, apart from being a nifty way to knock yourself stupid, wasn't the best way to get that run in.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
    Originally posted by kwik
    The problem is that obstruction at the plate is almost NEVER called.


Seconded. Catchers are given near limitless leeway to block off the plate if the throw is anywhere near close to arriving. I remember Mike Scioscia as being particularly adept at this.

And you'd expect nothing less when the season-deciding run is bearing down on the plate. No one ever said Barrett wasn't tough.. Holliday should have been thinking Rose/Fosse on that one. If they got him, it would have been 2 out, and even if Hoffman was throwing meatballs, the Rockies were out of their 'good' relievers if they went to the 14th.

And after further looks, I feel I ought to note that it was a pretty tough short-hop for Barrett to come up with. Regardless, there was no tag as Holliday slid by, so why didn't the ump just start emphatically calling him Safe! Safe! Safe! if he was sure the runner touched the plate? And if he *didn't see him touch, it should have been out after the ball was retrieved. Just a hinky call, imo.

Controversy aside, fabulous game - and congrats to the Rockies






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Congrats indeed to the Rockies, if for no other reason than for keeping alive the possibility that a UT quarterback might win both the Super Bowl and the World Series in the same year.



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