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#1 Posted on
The Rock is walking a thin line. He can no longer go off and make movies and come back to wrestle and be loved by everybody. Wrestling fans are starting to realize that wrestling is a far second to the Rock's acting career. So, what happens to the Rock's movie audience if wrestling fans really do turn against him? I don't think he can pull double duty much longer. He's going to really need a break out movie if that's the way he really wants to go.



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#2 Posted on
That's why it's the perfect time for him to be a heel.
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#3 Posted on
fuelinjected is right. I'm thinking a lot of fans are in the "Rock sold out" mindset and resent the fact that he just comes and goes as he pleases to make movies instead of staying put.


But, damn - I would love to see Heel Rock again. And he can turn heel for the same reason Bret Hart turned heel: The fans turned their backs on him.




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Since: 4.1.02
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#4 Posted on
A heel turn won't have much impact if he will be back for another two months (tops)

What pisses me of is that I read shit like 'if the program is right he might stay for the entire summer'
WHAT? I know I cannot lay claim on the man's time but isn't he under contract and everything (like someone said in another thread, if Vince wants him on the show he gotta be there..) if he doesn't want to be around WWE anymore just say so, and leave (even if it is Austin style).

A friend of mine has this gripe:
Last year right after/before WM he said wrestling was his #1 love, and he would make movies on the side, and would do as many shows as he could possibly do.
Three months later he says he loves wrestling but is busy with the movies now and will try to accomodate his wrestling appearances around it.

Really cool for Mr. Johnson if he can make it big in Hollywood and I will support him but don't bullshit and beat around the bush. How can I cheer or better yet CARE for someone who just comes and goes when he pleases?





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#5 Posted on
Rock is always under WWE contract. Believe me, there's nothing Vince craves more than mainstream success, and moviestar Rocky is part of that craving. In fact, I've heard that Vince actually gets a portion of the money Rock signs for. It's something like an agent fee.

Rock coming back wouldn't really fix things either way, since the show's writing is so godawful and anyone not sleeping with a female McMahon is made to look like an incompetent goof.
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Since: 1.2.02
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74
Tell you one thing: Rock's in for a shock if he thinks his future's in movies, 'cause his acting skills are non-existent.

Rock's pop-eyed facial expressions in Scorpion King make Larry from The 3 Stooges look like Larry friggin' Olivier.

Right now Rock can't handle any role where his body isn't the character.

Hell, even Arnold was better than that.
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Since: 22.1.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Rock DID seem very wooden in the Scorpion King. None of the looseness, none of the charisma that he made his name on in the WWE. He's gotta break out of that, or shea's right, he'll go nowhere in Hollywood. Okay, maybe he could've gotten cast as Anakin Skywalker if he were younger, but that's IT.



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Since: 12.10.02
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#8 Posted on
That was his firs movie role. We'll see how he does in this next movie. There's a whole slew of horrible actors making tons of money in Hollywood anyways.

I think the problem with Rock that we even saw tonight is that he needs the crowd to bring that charisma out of him. He needs to feed off the people's reactions.
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Since: 11.7.02
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
Can you imagine what would happen if the Rock did decide to leave his contract thhough? He would be nothing... His movies are alwas advertised as starring "The Rock." They heavily advertise towards the wrestling crowd. If he leaves, no more advertising. No mare fan base. And movies with the phrase "starring former wrestler Dwayne Johnson" isn't going to put asses in the seats either...

(edited by Grimis on 15.1.03 1255)


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Since: 2.11.02
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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis
    Can you imagine what would happen if the Rock did decide to leave his contract thhough? He would be nothing... His movies are alwas advertised as starring "The Rock." They heavily advertise towards the wrestling crowd. If he leaves, no more advertising. No mare fan base. And movies with the phrase "starring former wrestler Dwayne Johnson" isn't going to put asses in the seats either...

    (edited by Grimis on 15.1.03 1255)



Good point. Would he still be allowed to use "the Rock" name to plug his films if he left on less than amicable terms or does the wwe own the TM on that?

His current fan base in the movie world would probably stick with him for one or two movies as Dwayne before they moved on. Obviously I'm going out on a limb here assuming he won't go on to become a multiple oscar winner but whats life without risks eh?



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Since: 7.1.02
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#11 Posted on

    Good point. Would he still be allowed to use "the Rock" name to plug his films if he left on less than amicable terms or does the wwe own the TM on that?


Good question. Let's ask Chyna..er..I mean Joanie. Or maybe we could ask Sable..er..I mean Rena.

I think the answer is a definate no, unless Dewayne was able to negotiate the rights to his name away from Vince in his most current contract. I'm guessing he hasn't.
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Since: 21.11.02
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#12 Posted on
The Rock will never be a serious actor, but as long as Lorenzo Lamas, Jean Claude Van Dam, Stephen Segal, Brian Bosworth and Dolph Lungren can make a career by being a B-movie tough guy, who says the Rock can't? I am sure Helldorado will feature mayhem and explosions and glorified fight scenes. If The Rock makes 5-10 of these pictures, at 10 million a picture, he will be set for life and still have his health. Ask any wreslter on the WWE roster and they would change places with Rock in an instant.





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74

    Originally posted by Wpob
    The Rock will never be a serious actio, but as long as Lorenzo Lamas, Jean Claude Van Dam, Stephen Segal, Brian Bosworth and Dolph Lungren can make a career by being a B-movie tough guy, who says the Rock can't?


If Rock wants to follow in Brian Bosworth's illistrious footsteps, no problem. But that would actually be a step DOWN for him in terms of recognition and respect. I somehow get the feeling Rock's looking to be something more than that.

But if he can't act, Rock will always be nothing more than "The Rock In A Movie." And soon those movies will be straight-to-video crap, just like the guys on your list, and if you think he'll be getting millions for that, you're nuts.

Here's his problem, as I see it:

One, none of those guys came into the film business as an already-established "character" in another field.

Two (or maybe 1-A), none of those guys (not even Bosworth) has a body like Rock's. We tend to forget just how friggin' BIG the guy is.

How does he overcome that kind of baggage if he can't act?

Three, the conundrum of this is that wrestling is what keeps Rock's name in the public's mind. Ultimately, it's Rock's name recognition -- not his acting ability -- that gets him movie roles. BUT all those roles trade off his muscle-bound image, so he's STUCK on the old Image Merry-go-Round, and that's one hard ride to get off of.

And if he ever leaves wreslting for good, I bet inside a year he'll be scrounging for Lorenzo Lamas' leftovers.
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Since: 21.11.02
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#14 Posted on
Three, the conundrum of this is that wrestling is what keeps Rock's name in the public's mind. Ultimately, it's Rock's name recognition -- not his acting ability -- that gets him movie roles. BUT all those roles trade off his muscle-bound image, so he's STUCK on the old Image Merry-go-Round, and that's one hard ride to get off of.

And if he ever leaves wreslting for good, I bet inside a year he'll be scrounging for Lorenzo Lamas' leftovers.
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Well, I don't know about that. Wrestling helps, and has definaltey got his foot in the door, but the Rock has soooooo much charisma and personality that I can't see him wasting that talent an needing wrestling to survive. And unlike those stiff actors I mentioned, the Rock can do comedy. What he needs is to get a supporting role in a good movie and work his way up, much like LL Cool J did. Now, I am not saying LL Cool J is a great actor, but he is decent and can be entertaining.

As for Lorenzo Lamas leftovers, if the Rock doesn;t want them, I'll take them because making bad action movies with naked women is a lot better than what I do.



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Since: 9.1.02
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#15 Posted on
I just love how people can accurately predict how the Rocks movie career will turn out. 18 mos ago everybody KNEW Scorpion King would bomb. well it didnt and the Rock got good reviews for his performance. So now what? were hating on him and saying hell be crawling back to the WWE in a couple of years? Why the hate? Why cant we just be happy for him and supportive? Yes I am a Rock mark as you can tell by my name but damn, why all the hate? When has the Rock ever turned his back on the WWE? The Rock no matter how big he may get will always be a former WWE wrestler. At his Oscar speech 10 years from now hell probably thank the WWE. The guy has a chance to be a movie star,and we the fans hes damn near killed himself trying to entertain hate on him like a bunch of jilted boyfriends/ girlfriends.


And remember this, you think the Rock will never be a star, he cant act, yadda yadda. I give you Will Smith. In a 10 year period he went from a rapper with no acting ability, to one of the most bankable actors in Hollywood, who was hand picked for the role of one of the most important figures of the 20th century in a role some though should have been Oscar nominated. You want to see something amazing watch how terrible Will is in the first couple of seasons of Fresh Prince and then watch how he pulled of Ali. Its incredible how far he has come. Its all bout charisma and drive, and Rock has both. Give him a chance. Two more bonafide hits and Rock is a true movie star that doesnt need the WWE anymore. Believe it...


(edited by rockdotcom_2.0 on 15.1.03 1635)


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Since: 20.6.02
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#16 Posted on
That Rocky! He comes back on short notice last June after Austin walks out, he comes back to wrestling when he doesn't have to, he does everything that's asked of him, and he actually puts over new talent! Yeah, he's such a piece of shit, isn't he?

You can go on about how The Scorpion King sucked, but it drew money and the revenue helped keep WWE afloat while Hogan and Undertaker's title reigns were killing business.

If Rocky does return, he'll definitely be a heel based on last night's reaction and that makes me happy because when it's time for Rocky to go make more movies, you know he's going to put a babyface over BIG TIME on his way out.

Of course, his heel turn will screw somebody over, but that's a topic for another thread.




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Since: 8.6.02
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#17 Posted on
No one is arguing that he refuses to do what's right for business. But this juggling act is bullshit and he is spewing bullshit. To say he always wants to wrestle, and that WWE will forever be part of the Rock's life is annoying because he isn't showing that to be the case. The Scorpion King did suck, and Rock's acting sucked as well. Fortunately, that fact was hidden by the fact that the movie sucked so much worse than his acting did.

It wasn't a huge hit---It wasn't something where Hollywood now has to take notice of the Rock. It wasn't even in the top ten grossing films of the year. It did well---very well. But to say Rock's film was a "huge" hit is like saying the Tuxedo was a huge hit. It's laughable in a year that has seen 100, 200, 300 400 million dollar grossing films.

A lot of the wrestler movies are built to blow. I mean, we joke about Hogan's acting---but even Anthony Hopkins couldn't have done much with Rip and Shep Ramsey. Those movies were written badly, produced badly, and underfunded. Rock fares way better, he's got studios behind him. Is Rock going to get a role he can sink his teeth into? Of course not. Vince doesn't want Rock playing a gay bodybuilder with AIDS in the next tear-jerker Oscar-buzz motion picture. Rock has to stick to stuff one-dimensional enough that it will translate into being an extension of "the Rock"; not an evolution of Dwayne the actor.

Rocky is, I think, a very good wrestler, and better than anyone not named Eddy, Chris, Chris, or Kurt. Wrestling fans have every right to be mad if Rock decides he'd rather be a sub-par actor than a above-par wrestler. And Anaheim loved him. So far the only anti-Rock crowds have been in New York state---and lord knows those people are hard to please and even harder to shut up. So let's not just the gun on this heel turn. Most of America may still love the Rock, and most of America disagrees with NYC (which is why it's baffling that Vince bases SO many storyline twists and turns on MSG reactions). New York reactions are as screwy as Canadian ones. Go figure.




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Since: 4.1.02
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#18 Posted on
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    and most of America disagrees with NYC (which is why it's baffling that Vince bases SO many storyline twists and turns on MSG reactions). New York reactions are as screwy as Canadian ones. Go figure.
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I think it's the other way around, storyline twists take place in the MSG/ NY region because the fans will react. Just like Flair's comeback started in Horsemen country..

But back to the Rock. I like him, I love his willingness to put folks over, but I just don't like the bullshitting that he does a speech that he is here to stay and then only stay for 2 months,is gone for 6 months again and he MIGHT return for an ENTIRE summer! Woo-freakin-hoo!!!
Personally I think it is great for him if he can do all the movies he can, but as a wrestling fan I think this sucks.
And ofcourse, Vince, management and whoknows who else are also to blame for this..

(edited by dMp on 16.1.03 0748)


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