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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
    Originally posted by ParagonOfVirtue
    But understand this..the Rock had a role to fill in the segments he was given. Was it his fault that he was the one who ended up looking like an even bigger star, all while Goldberg looked like a complete fool? Is it the Rock's fault, or is it the fault of Vince McMahon and his yes men who were watching and writing that crap each and every week and doing the exact opposite of what made Goldberg in WCW? The Rock had a duty to do. He played up his segments on RAW, and then did the j-o-b at Backlash. I don't see the problem.

    I understand any frustration of Rock not making any stars during his last run, but for one..he has a history of laying down for wrestlers he had no right to lay down for. But he did it because he was asked to do it, and that's often what HHH, Austin and Taker haven't done in the past. And two, more than anything, Rock was not brought in to put people over--he was brought in to put asses in those seats. And he did exactly that during that stretch.


Hey, that's a fine argument but you can't give Rock all the credit when he puts someone over, and then blame the faceless creative department when he buries someone. Everyone bears some responsibility.

My criticism of the Rock is not based on "bitterness about his jump to Hollywood" it's based on his actions. Rock's one of my favourites and always has been, but his love on the net is misplaced and based for the most part on fallacies. I hear all this talk about putting people over and I don't see it. His actions with Goldberg were malicious and mean-spirited. Does that make me hate Rock? No. But you've got to remember it. Most people consider that stuff with Goldberg one of the ugliest, most obvious undercuttings of another wrestler that you'll find an example of. And considering that he was leaving WWE with the guy he dummied as its top babyface, I'd say that was a pretty selfish act. Again, that doesn't mean I am bitter towards Rock, but it mars his record.

Other common falacies, like how WWE "needs" him and he doesn't need them at all are irratating in their depth of acceptance. Rock the only actor with a platform to hype his movies on that he can visit anytime he wants. Only an idiot would blow that. He's not Santa Claus is all I'm saying...














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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.77
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Hey, that's a fine argument but you can't give Rock all the credit when he puts someone over, and then blame the faceless creative department when he buries someone. Everyone bears some responsibility.

    My criticism of the Rock is not based on "bitterness about his jump to Hollywood" it's based on his actions. Rock's one of my favourites and always has been, but his love on the net is misplaced and based for the most part on fallacies. I hear all this talk about putting people over and I don't see it. His actions with Goldberg were malicious and mean-spirited. Does that make me hate Rock? No. But you've got to remember it. Most people consider that stuff with Goldberg one of the ugliest, most obvious undercuttings of another wrestler that you'll find an example of.

I'll admit the backstage promo Rock did at Backlash was a little odd but I think it's complete crap to believe he doing these promos without some sort of scripting frame given to him by WWE Creative. I agree with Paragon, the problem with Goldberg was mostly due to the way he was booked (all the way up until SummerSlam'03, pretty much.) Same with Hurricane. The Rock/Hurricane segments were great stuff but they never really followed up on it. Who's to say they won't when he gets back? *gasp* Maybe a little continuity!

The WWE tried to do something different with Goldberg when he first got in and I agreed with them at the time because I got so sick of the very one-dimensional "unbeatable, invincible Goldberg" character he had in WCW. Having Rock outsmart and belittle him leading up to the PPV was supposed to be a way to get the fans behind Babyface Bill. Unfortunately the fans WANT to cheer the Rock (like they WANTED to cheer Eddie even though he was supposed to be a heel) and Goldberg pretty much stunk up the ring at Backlash pretty much burying himself on the spot.

The way Goldberg is booked presently is much more effective but I think it will get real stale soon, like it did in WCW. But that's just my opinion.

And to get back to the subject of this thread I think it's great Rock's going to be at MSG and I hope it's either against a heel HBK or Flair. Jericho would be great, too. Orton's not ready just yet.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.37
Well I won't go into if Rock puts people over or not but I think that Rock vs. Randy is the best way to go with the proper build. If Randy is the future HHH he needs to feud with the people HHH made his bones with. Rocky and HHH came up togther and made each other bigger stars of course Foley is the one that put HHH over the top as the Game but Rocky and HHH did have a great series of matches from their DX vs Nation days all the way up to their ironman match and others in their long feud. Of course there are the obvious 3rd generation similarities and blue chipper this and that but build on Rock being a legend and being part of what made The Game and let Randy kill a legend that HHH had big trouble with and lay some groundwork for the eventual Randy vs HHH feud.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.70
Obviously you know what a no-brainer bit of casting that was if you've read the book, because I know when I read it I thought the bodyguard was completely written with The Rock in mind.

Of course, there's a twist, but I'm not giving that away.


As for the twist, I'm betting they'll change that part or leave it out altogether. Great book though! I hope they have the same good people involved in the screenplay as were in Get Shorty.




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