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Lise
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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.35
Her little girl knows what every female instictively knows... baby hair can only be put in place with spit

Her position as a mother of 5, the youngest an infant with special needs is a double edged sword. On the one hand, it's easy to relate to her and the balancing act between family and work-- on the other, why would a mother put her family through an election process where every aspect of their lives will be under scrutiny? Women do this thing were we try to put ourselves in her position and see if we would make the same decision. Even not having kids, I know that *I* have serious misgivings that I would have made that decision. I also know a lot of commercial fishing families and they tend to be made of sterner stuff than average. It could have been a family decision to go forward, but she didn't make any mention that it was.

/edit And, HOLY COW does she make McCain look old standing next to her. I mean I'm not even someone who cares either way about the "old" factor, but seriously standing next to that young vibrant family, he looked OLD.

I also understand about trying to look in contrast to the slick DNC, but it really looks like the RNC set up a big power point presentation in a gym, handed out cowboy hats and homemade signs. It felt a little like one of those MTV "generic crowds" where they only let people who fit the MTV image and aren't wearing logos be allowed in the camera zone. Several aspects of the crowd and its response just felt scripted, perhaps to try and get more Republican support behind Palin.

(edited by Lise on 4.9.08 0939)
JustinShapiro
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.14
    Originally posted by whatever
    Personally, my favorite part was watching her little girl be so tender to her little baby brother


That was cute. I read that the girl was actually that baby's secret mother, though.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by AWArulz
      Originally posted by It's False

      It isn't even so much the number of people that's getting to me, but it's the lack of diversity.


    so, after you said this, while watching on CNN, I saw the exact same thing. No blacks. Lots of white women and men. Many younger women and men, but all white,

    I flipped around. Amazingly, on Fox, crowd shots includes blacks and asians and hispanics. Interesting that these cannot be located by the CNN Camera people.


I don't think it's that CNN wasn't trying so much as Fox was..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303962.html?hpid=artslot
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.46
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by whatever
      Personally, my favorite part was watching her little girl be so tender to her little baby brother


    That was cute. I read that the girl was actually that baby's secret mother, though.


The girl we're talking about looks about 6, so I doubt that one. But I enjoy rumors like this one.

oh, and wmatistic, what, really, did you expect when an estimated 92% of african americans intend to vote for Obama? It's frustrating, but should you change the basics of your message? Perhaps the message that is drawing a large number of black voters is wrong? No republican wants to not have african americans in our party, but no republican who is conservative wants big government or higher taxes. Everyone gets to choose what party to join.

Interesting the echniques the Democrats used to get that diversity
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121158203883518495.html

    Originally posted by The Wall Street Journal

    At that convention, the Obama delegates elected seven Obama delegates to Denver -- three men and four women, to meet party rules that require each delegation to be gender balanced. Mr. Rodgers did not win a spot.

    The 37-year-old new-technology tester for Adobe Systems Inc. has one final chance at the state party convention in June, when Washington's 27 at-large delegates will be elected from among a pool of applicants. "It's an all-you-can-eat buffet of democracy," he says, "but I want to see the process through."

    The odds are long: The party's big-tent diversity goals reserve six of Washington's convention seats for blacks, 10 for Hispanics, and others for Asian, American-Indian, young, disabled, and gay, lesbian and transgendered Democrats. Any diversity seats that haven't been filled at the congressional-district meeting will be plugged at the state convention.



well, I am sure the Republicans are against race counting and quotas. Too bad for a guy like Rodgers, but he doesn't get a fair chance. There may be less blacks and transgendered at the Republican concention, but they all got there fair and square.

(edited by AWArulz on 4.9.08 1353)

(edited by AWArulz on 4.9.08 1353)

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JustinShapiro
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.14
    Originally posted by AWArulz
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        Originally posted by whatever
        Personally, my favorite part was watching her little girl be so tender to her little baby brother


      That was cute. I read that the girl was actually that baby's secret mother, though.


    The girl we're talking about looks about 6, so I doubt that one. But I enjoy rumors like this one.


Way to buy into the talking points, man. Of course they wouldn't want it to get out that her 5-year-old had a son.

Also, I did some digging and get this, America. CINDY MCCAIN WAS NEVER PREGNANT WITH HER DAUGHTER BRIDGET. WTF??????
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.24
Justin, stop trolling your elders.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.46
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    Way to buy into the talking points, man. Of course they wouldn't want it to get out that her 5-year-old had a son.

    Also, I did some digging and get this, America. CINDY MCCAIN WAS NEVER PREGNANT WITH HER DAUGHTER BRIDGET. WTF??????


Sorry, dude - sometimes I get into the zone of "everyone's a demorobot" here. I should have known you were joking.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.14
Sorry, I don't usually ply my trade in CE&P. I wasn't trying to josh AWArulz, a respectable man. I was making fun of the Kos post and the hysterical commenters who still want to believe.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.11

For me, the odd theme of the evening was the Republican's portrayal of Washington. Romney's labeling of the Supreme Court as "liberal" and Palin's theme of "Washington needs a change" both seemed an odd way to go, all things considered.

The rest of this "who has better experience" and "will she be a good mother" stuff seems to distract from much more important topics. Personally, I am glad the dog & pony show of both the RNC and DNC conventions is (almost) over. Hopefully, we can really see where folks stand on far more substanitive issues.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    CINDY MCCAIN WAS NEVER PREGNANT WITH HER DAUGHTER BRIDGET. WTF??????

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
Just two points for consderation (I'm just asking)

1. While I guess we need to be able to relate to a candidate, why is their being and "Average Joe or Jane" important to their abilit to run a country? IMHO, I want the best, the elite, whether they drink Coors or single malt scotch and whether they are Dem or Rep. I don't need to drink a beer with them. I want a leader.

2. Lise - The Reps may be intenionally going for that vibe to contrast with "Slick Barack." I am a registered Dem and even I thought the DNC was a bit too much.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.27
Whatever, thanks for the link on the untruths at the GOP convention. I had to turn Romney's speech off after he said that the change we needed was to take Washington away from the liberals when Bush has been President for the past 8 years (and Republicans controlled Congress for much of that time).

I'm curious to know if the conservatives here felt the same way during the Democratic convention. Obviously there was a lot you didn't agree with, but were there things that were demonstrably untrue? My perception is that the Democrats don't do that nearly as often, but I know I'm biased, so I want to know what your perceptions were.

AWARulez, how do you think most people become delegates "fair and square"? Best GPA? Big tennis tournament? Delegates--in both parties--are basically picked on the basis of their party connections. Given that, why exactly is it a bad thing to assure that diverse groups are represented?
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.02
Here's Gloria Steinem's view of Mrs. Palin (yeah, yeah I know Gloria Steinem blah blah blah but here it is anyway).

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-steinem4-2008sep04,0,7541303.story




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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.21
Can I just say, I have no idea how people can keep up with the hectic, everyday near-hatred of the opposing party. I've been ensconced in the political blogosphere (I'm assuming Democratic, as I don't really keep up with politics) and I am burnt out after five days.

Working in the industry, I already knew that cable news networks were worthless, and listening to the talking heads the past few days it's obvious that everyone is just spouting the party line.

Not that anyone cares, but I wash my hands of the entire thing (of course, I live in IL, so my vote would be unnecessaryanyway.) back to lurking for me.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.36
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    AWARulez, how do you think most people become delegates "fair and square"? Best GPA? Big tennis tournament? Delegates--in both parties--are basically picked on the basis of their party connections. Given that, why exactly is it a bad thing to assure that diverse groups are represented?


He wasn't the one that brought up diversity. It was pointed out that the Republican convention was very white compared to the DNC, and in response he noted that the DNC had quotas.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.46
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon


    AWARulez, how do you think most people become delegates "fair and square"? Best GPA? Big tennis tournament? Delegates--in both parties--are basically picked on the basis of their party connections. Given that, why exactly is it a bad thing to assure that diverse groups are represented?


Can't speak for other states and parties, of course, but having been a delegate to the RNC twice, I ran for delegate within my party's county convention and was elected twice and was NOT elected this year. (I was a Romney Delegate). You file with your county's party as a delegate and, in our case, declare for a candidate. I declared for delegate long before the race was decided, of course. By the time the state primary was held, I voted for McCain. In our county, I believe we had 3 delegates (EDIT - I just made that change - as I looked it up) , as one of the largest counties - we had 3 committed to McCain.(EDIT - we had three others go to the state convention as out Atlarge candidates) And we had ladies and men. We did not have any african americans file - but we did have two asians - both for Romney and wwo hispanics - both for Ron Paul.

Edit - and if you win in your county - you're going. I think there were 2 "leftover" votes in the state (I think we have 57 votes) and usually, that was the state republican chairman and her vice chairman.
(Edit - well - I was wrong about that number - but I know the At Large candidates come from the congressional districts, which means the county parties. Nobody was picked at the state convention that had not been elected at County/Congressional district level).


(edited by AWArulz on 4.9.08 1722)

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.35
    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Just two points for consderation (I'm just asking)

    1. While I guess we need to be able to relate to a candidate, why is their being and "Average Joe or Jane" important to their abilit to run a country? IMHO, I want the best, the elite, whether they drink Coors or single malt scotch and whether they are Dem or Rep. I don't need to drink a beer with them. I want a leader.

    2. Lise - The Reps may be intenionally going for that vibe to contrast with "Slick Barack." I am a registered Dem and even I thought the DNC was a bit too much.


1. Absolutely. The Palins seem like an awesome family to invite over to a barbaque, and I have no doubt that it would be a fun experience, but that does not directly relate (for me) to who I want in office. No matter how well they package the Sarah Palin, she's still hooked up with McCain and her political views are what they are and I'll make my decision based on those things not her family or personal story.

2. I think they are. I just think they went too far the other way.


3. I think I belong to the Reasonably Optimistic Pessimist Party. I like to try and vote for the ticket I think will screw things up the least. No one who understands politics and enjoys it enough to do it for a living has my best interest in mind. I also don't think that any politician sets out to screw everyone over. I also know that any politician who actually agreed with me on every issue isn't going to get elected, because they wouldn't appeal to enough people. I don't like the party system, and yet I see why we've ended up with one. More than any other job dealing with stressful situations, state secrets, and all of that, shouldn't Presidential Canidates be subject to a psychological evaluation? The specific answers don't need to be public, but I'd like to know if the Cannidates and their VP choices would be turned down for a sensitive goverment job.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
I nearly tossed this in the first time it came up, so here you go on "delegate diversity"..

From what I was able to glean in the primary campaign coverage, the DNC indeed purposely set limits/quotas to promote a convention crowd that looked as diverse as it did. As I recall it, at the state convention level, the delegates were required to elect national convention delegates in a manner that would reflect the face of the electorate. (I don't remember hearing anyone complaining that they were reverse-discriminated out of a spot in Denver.)

What I saw earlier in the week is that the RNC had dipped from a 2004-record of 6.7% AA delegates down to 1.5% this time around. The NPR article I read said that's a 40-year low for the RNC. None of this includes Hispanics, Asians, or any other minorities that may be attending.

I guess you can make arguments either way, but that's quite a visual difference presented in the two conventions. At least they managed to fill the hall, unlike Tuesday's prime time session. Good for Gov. Palin with the speech, it certainly played well to the crowd, and the curiosity got a lot of people to watch it. Whether the mocking and attacking tone will resonate with the moderates needed to win the election?? We'll have to see.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
Palin speech was probably one of the more disappointing polticial events I've ever been witness to. I felt Barack, whether you like him or you don't, tried to create a speech that was befitting the historical moment we were witnessing. You can say it was smug, but this is one of those double-standard moments where if you were white, it would probably be difficult for you to understand what that moment meant and what his candidacy continues to mean to people who couldn't swim in the same pools, attend the same schools, or even rent property in the same neighborhoods as you fifty years ago. I'm not trying to be combative here, really, but it was huge to most visible minorities that I've talked to, both in the U.S. and here in Canada.

Palin had a chance here, but instead of trying to do anything positive with her opportunity, Palin just spent the entire time taking poorly researched, easily disproven shots at Obama. She didn't stand up for women, or provide any kind of historical context for that moment, she just did a partisan hatchet job. Really smug and bitter for someone who put the town she was mayor of into debt, and probably set the all-time speed record for Governors under ethics investigations.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Palin had a chance here, but instead of trying to do anything positive with her opportunity, Palin just spent the entire time taking poorly researched, easily disproven shots at Obama.


Which work for both parties. If people want to believe what she said, they will. Negative cheap shots work, at least in the USA.

And she basically said she is going to be a pitbull, i.e. go after their opponents. And that is typically what veep candidates do.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
Someone tell me that '9-11 Tribute' was actually a tribute and not blatent fear mongering.

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