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The RNC has that Big Brother 1984 theme down pretty nicely with their red signs of the day ('service', 'prosperity') and their big theme screen behind the speaker makes for interesting visuals.

The place seems kind of empty for a convention, but maybe it's just the venue they are in.

I thought day one was underwhelming with the President sort of leading off, and the rehashing of McCain's service. I've never been a Lieberman fan no matter what part of the aisle he says he's on, so I thought his monotone sales pitch was kind of useless.

I guess we are all waiting to see what Palin can do tonight. I have a feeling she will probably rally the crowd up to a bigger frenzy than they have been in thus far. Also abortion seems to be getting the biggest pop out of everything, so that should help if she chooses to go down that road.

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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    The place seems kind of empty for a convention, but maybe it's just the venue they are in.


It isn't even so much the number of people that's getting to me, but it's the lack of diversity. Whereas the DNC seemingly had people of all stripes, the RNC by comparison is filled to the brim with old white people. I have nothing against old white people, but it's kind of a staggering contrast.

Man, Liebermann better hope to hell that McCain wins, because he's set himself up to be blackballed BIG TIME if he doesn't. Especially after lying about Obama cutting off troop funding. But on the upside, he's almost surely set himself up for a Cabinet seat if McCain can pull it all off. It's a huge roll of the dice.




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    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      The place seems kind of empty for a convention, but maybe it's just the venue they are in.


    It isn't even so much the number of people that's getting to me, but it's the lack of diversity. Whereas the DNC seemingly had people of all stripes, the RNC by comparison is filled to the brim with old white people. I have nothing against old white people, but it's kind of a staggering contrast.

    Man, Liebermann better hope to hell that McCain wins, because he's set himself up to be blackballed BIG TIME if he doesn't. Especially after lying about Obama cutting off troop funding. But on the upside, he's almost surely set himself up for a Cabinet seat if McCain can pull it all off. It's a huge roll of the dice.


It all depends on how many seats the Dems pick up. If they total 59, Joe's cool because they need him to be filibuster proof. If it's mid 50s or 60 without him, he's ghost like Swayze.



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    Originally posted by It's False

    It isn't even so much the number of people that's getting to me, but it's the lack of diversity.


so, after you said this, while watching on CNN, I saw the exact same thing. No blacks. Lots of white women and men. Many younger women and men, but all white,

I flipped around. Amazingly, on Fox, crowd shots includes blacks and asians and hispanics. Interesting that these cannot be located by the CNN Camera people.



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I was watching on CNN, and I saw a few folks of colour in the crowd during John Rich's song.

Anyway, that was a hell of a speech by Governor Palin. I was impressed by her poise, sincerity and humour. She has certainly been underestimated by the general media.
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I thought she did a good job playing the sweet girl throwing daggers. A guy probably would have come off a little too over the top making that speech. She gives a good speech, I happen to think the speech had little substance, but it was still well delivered. I'm still curious as to what she is actually about though.
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    I was watching on CNN, and I saw a few folks of colour in the crowd during John Rich's song.

    Anyway, that was a hell of a speech by Governor Palin. I was impressed by her poise, sincerity and humour. She has certainly been underestimated by the general media.


She did do a good job but if I were her handlers I would get her to a voice coach ASAP. She needs to tone down the shrillness in her voice and lose some of the nasalness she has when giving a speech and trying to project. Not a major change but enough to project without sounding naggy. For better or worse, how you sound saying something is as important as what you say when trying to get a favorable impression from people who didn't have a clue who you were a week ago.

And please for the sake of all that is holy - SHUT RUDY UP. Thompson did a decent job but if Rudy wants to help, he needs to go away for two months.



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Having Rudy spewing some truly cringeworthy trash back-to-back with the shrill and condescending over-preparedness of Palin isn't going to bode well for middle America's confidence.

I suppose the door swings both ways here, but, as a Democrat, this year's RNC is nauseating. It is also very reminiscent of the infamous Buchanan 1992 fiasco that helped sink Bush/Quayle.

But tonight's festivities did motivate me to donate what I could to Obama/Biden.

(edited by StevieRichards on 3.9.08 2039)


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I thought she gave a very good speech, though personally I noticed a ton of just flat out untrue statements she made.

And let's be honest, giving a good speech didn't all of a sudden make her more qualified.

Plus she scares me. Little bit of the crazy eyes goin on there.
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    Originally posted by PeterStork

    It all depends on how many seats the Dems pick up. If they total 59, Joe's cool because they need him to be filibuster proof. If it's mid 50s or 60 without him, he's ghost like Swayze.

I'm no expert on legislative procedure, but I still don't understand the benefit. The whole point of courting an independent like Lieberman or Bernie Sanders is that you give them their preferred Senate committee memberships in return for the hope that they'll vote with you. The only threat the party can make (and probably only the majority party can make that threat anyway) is to kick you out of the caucus and take away your committee memberships. But Lieberman's already shown that he doesn't care what the Democrats think anymore. Why would they assume that he'd support them in a cloture vote? The only benefit I see to keeping someone in your party is the current situation, where it changes it from 51-49 to 50-50, and even then only because a moderate Democrat probably quickly jumps ship to make it 49-51 the other way.

Furthermore, I'm surprised I don't hear more talk about the leadership in the House trying to fight to replace Blue Dog Democrats with those that are more in line with party goals.

I'm not saying I agree with everyone voting the party line; Congress would be a better place if everyone voted the way they really thought. I'm just surprised the party leadership doesn't do more to try to strengthen its hold.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.54
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      Originally posted by PeterStork

      It all depends on how many seats the Dems pick up. If they total 59, Joe's cool because they need him to be filibuster proof. If it's mid 50s or 60 without him, he's ghost like Swayze.

    I'm no expert on legislative procedure, but I still don't understand the benefit. The whole point of courting an independent like Lieberman or Bernie Sanders is that you give them their preferred Senate committee memberships in return for the hope that they'll vote with you. The only threat the party can make (and probably only the majority party can make that threat anyway) is to kick you out of the caucus and take away your committee memberships. But Lieberman's already shown that he doesn't care what the Democrats think anymore. Why would they assume that he'd support them in a cloture vote? The only benefit I see to keeping someone in your party is the current situation, where it changes it from 51-49 to 50-50, and even then only because a moderate Democrat probably quickly jumps ship to make it 49-51 the other way.

    Furthermore, I'm surprised I don't hear more talk about the leadership in the House trying to fight to replace Blue Dog Democrats with those that are more in line with party goals.

    I'm not saying I agree with everyone voting the party line; Congress would be a better place if everyone voted the way they really thought. I'm just surprised the party leadership doesn't do more to try to strengthen its hold.


Your point about 60 is good, though Joe might be smart enough to toe the line there and help the Dems if it keeps him where he wants to be. Most likely they'll fall several short, so he might be toast anyway.



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Blah blah blah taxes are too high, blah blah blah national security, blah blah 9/11 (that was Rudy's contribution), blah blah blah experience (uh, please ignore the less-experienced VP candidate).

    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Furthermore, I'm surprised I don't hear more talk about the leadership in the House trying to fight to replace Blue Dog Democrats with those that are more in line with party goals.


Because some of these Blue Dogs are the only Democrats that can get elected in their districts. Better to have Dems that at least vote with you some of the time and buttress a majority than a Republican who will vote you zero percent of the time.

I've always thought it was the Dems' biggest strength and biggest weakness that their party doesn't have the hive mind mentality of the Republicans.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.18
If I've learned anything from tonight's speeches, it's that being a community organizer is BAD.........apparently.

But seriously, I expected absolutely nothing from Palin's speech and she actually didn't come off too bad. At this point, that's the best any of McCain's supporters could ask for. She could be huge someday. Still don't know if I'd want her as a VP, though.

EDIT: Thursday's actually shaping up to very interesting with the RNC hitting its home stretch and the Dems countering by having Obama appear on O'Reilly. Should be fun to watch for both sides.

(edited by It's False on 3.9.08 2307)


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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
    Originally posted by PeterStork

    It all depends on how many seats the Dems pick up. If they total 59, Joe's cool because they need him to be filibuster proof. If it's mid 50s or 60 without him, he's ghost like Swayze.


It wouldn't surprise me if the Democrats ran Ned Lamont against him again. He lost to Lieberman last time with some last minute dirty tricks and some slight of hand. The state of Connecticut seems to be pretty sick of him. It's cabinet postion or bust at this point.

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Good delivery, I guess. Didn't appreciate the lies and/or stretches of truth, though. This article sums up a lot of why her speech got me boiling. Click Here (news.yahoo.com) Personally, my favorite part was watching her little girl be so tender to her little baby brother (on NBC coverage, anyway). Should've just showed that during her speech, it was adorable.

My wife's reaction was "Why is she running for VP when it will take away so much time from her new little boy who will need so much of her care?" Take that as one (woman/mother of two)'s opinion on Palin.




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    My wife's reaction was "Why is she running for VP when it will take away so much time from her new little boy who will need so much of her care?" Take that as one (woman/mother of two)'s opinion on Palin.


Did you ask your wife if she would say the same thing about a man running for president shortly after his child was born?
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    Originally posted by StevieRichards
    Having Rudy spewing some truly cringeworthy trash back-to-back with the shrill and condescending over-preparedness of Palin isn't going to bode well for middle America's confidence.


    (edited by StevieRichards on 3.9.08 2039)


So now "overpreparedness" is a bad thing? Being PREPARED is something that's WRONG?

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.93
    Originally posted by StaggerLee


    So now "overpreparedness" is a bad thing? Being PREPARED is something that's WRONG?




Funny you should mention that.

    Originally posted by The RNC Official transcript of Palin's acceptance speech


    Terrorist states are seeking new-clear weapons without delay ... he wants to meet them without preconditions.




and another:

    Originally posted by Sarah Palin's RNC transcript


    Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines ... build more new-clear plants ... create jobs with clean coal ... and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources.






(edited by StevieRichards on 4.9.08 0537)


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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.26
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
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      My wife's reaction was "Why is she running for VP when it will take away so much time from her new little boy who will need so much of her care?" Take that as one (woman/mother of two)'s opinion on Palin.


    Did you ask your wife if she would say the same thing about a man running for president shortly after his child was born?

Honestly? She wouldn't, and the reason has everything to do with being a mother vs. being a father. How's that for old-school "Republican" family values?

Like I said, I just wanted to present one "Soccer Mom's" point of view. That's all. Caught me by surprise, but I can definitely see where she's coming from.




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Anyway, the question isn't "Should it bother her that a mother might not be able to pay attention to their special needs baby?" - it is "Does it bother her that a mother might not be able to pay attention to her special needs baby?".

Apparently, the answer to the second is Yes. I wonder how many people feel this way?

I'm not going to make a moral judgement about anyone who asks this question.




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