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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.42
On pwtorch.com, there is a discussion going on on whether Hogan should be at WMXX or not. I think WWE blew it, if they had Hogan vs Austin on the card Im sure buyrates would be better. But I think neither Vince or Austin want that, since we all know that the fans will side with Hogan no matter what and boo Austin out of the building, similar to WM 18.
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No fucking way. If anything, the fans would cheer Austin and boo Hogan. The whole point of Mania 18 was that people were riding the Hogan nostalgia train over the tired act of babyface Rock. The fans simply don't get bored of Austin like that, and I think there's more of an attachment to Austin than Hogan. Anyway, weren't they going for Austin vs Hogan for WM18 but Austin refused?

As for Hogan at this Mania, I think they should have found a spot for him especially considering I'll be there and damnit, I want to see Hulk Hogan. Austin vs Hogan is ideal, but there are other options. Obviously, Hogan vs Vince, Angle, Taker, Brock, Goldberg, and HHH have been done. That leaves a few options. One is talked about Flair vs Hogan match. Doubt it and we already saw that on a Raw. Now, I would haved love for Hogan to go up against Jericho, Benoit or Guerrero because that would cement their spots, but that may be wishful thinking on my part. I'm about to say Hogan vs Cena as well, but Cena would tear him apart so bad it's not even funny.

I'll have to say their best option right now if they want to include Hogan is to go for what I've heard on, I believe, the Torch: Hogan/Rock/Foley vs Flair/Orton/Batista.
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Screw Hogan. WMXX doesn't need him. He walked out last time because *gasp* Angle & Brock were made to look like bigger stars than Hogan.

If the want to include him in any "Hall of Fame" ceremonies, fine, but he in no way should get a match or any high profile role. He'd only overshadow most of the roster, and Vince might fall for the pop again and give Hogan a full-time spot on the roster.

Plus, how big of a draw is he, anyway? Vince gave him the belt during his 1st return, and ratings went in the tank. I don't think putting him on the card would result in a monster buy-rate just to see Hogan. Add in the fact that he'd want a ton of money for a match, and would probably balk at putting over guys like Benoit, Eddy, Jericho over. It just wouldn't be worth the hassle.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.42
There's no way the fans would side with Austin, especially in Madison Square Garden.
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The word is Flair is hurt and won't be wrestling at XX, and this might be it for him.

I wouldn't bring Hogan in for anything but a Hall of Fame type of ceremony. Time to move on. If Hogan can get his career going in TNA or Japan for one more run, fine, but I saw his match against Chono from Ultimate Crush and it blew. At least a healthy Flair can wrestle, can do those things he does that are entertaining. Hogan is the drizzleshits.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.42
Yes, he may be older and not able to do physically what he used to, this man deserves one last high profile good bye match. What better event than this would be appropriate? It's a 5 hour show, I'm sure a 10 minute classic style match wouldn't diminish the show.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
    Originally posted by jerkflavorkoolaid
    Yes, he may be older and not able to do physically what he used to, this man deserves one last high profile good bye match. What better event than this would be appropriate? It's a 5 hour show, I'm sure a 10 minute classic style match wouldn't diminish the show.

I don't remember Hogan ever being able to do anything very interesting. His skin color WAS orange, which was amusing. But other than that, I've never had a markout because of Hogan. His matches are dull at best, and anyone who refuses to put over Kurt Angle doesn't DESERVE a good-bye match. Espcially at WrestleMania. Bret Hart never got a good-bye match.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.39
    Originally posted by jerkflavorkoolaid
    There's no way the fans would side with Austin, especially in Madison Square Garden.

I agree with ParagonOfVirtue. The fans would side with Austin, except for maybe in Canada.

While the fans at WrestleMania 18 sided with Hogan over babyface Rock, the fans at WrestleMania X7 were still cheering Austin even after he did the most evil of all acts, joining up with Mr. McMahon.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.20
    Originally posted by El Nino
      Originally posted by jerkflavorkoolaid
      Yes, he may be older and not able to do physically what he used to, this man deserves one last high profile good bye match. What better event than this would be appropriate? It's a 5 hour show, I'm sure a 10 minute classic style match wouldn't diminish the show.

    I don't remember Hogan ever being able to do anything very interesting. His skin color WAS orange, which was amusing. But other than that, I've never had a markout because of Hogan. His matches are dull at best, and anyone who refuses to put over Kurt Angle doesn't DESERVE a good-bye match. Espcially at WrestleMania. Bret Hart never got a good-bye match.


You serious? Never had a markout moment because of Hogan?
Did ya even watch WWF during Hulkamania?



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
"we all know that the fans will side with Hogan no matter what and boo Austin out of the building"

That's so untrue that it's incorrect.
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    I don't remember Hogan ever being able to do anything very interesting. His skin color WAS orange, which was amusing. But other than that, I've never had a markout because of Hogan. His matches are dull at best, and anyone who refuses to put over Kurt Angle doesn't DESERVE a good-bye match.


Uh, Hogan put over Angle at King of the Ring 2002. Angle made him tap, too, as I recall.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.77
I don't think Austin would get booed against Hogan, but they wouldn't boo Hogan. I wouldn't want to see the match because there's no valid reason to put either guy over. If anything, do a little tiny thing with Hogan against some worthless mid-card heel like Test and have Hogan get in his punches and his boot and his legdrop. No need to sign him or put him over anyone.

And as far as ratings going "in the tank" when Hogan was champ, they didn't go any lower than the ratings Brock, Angle, and other "bigger stars" get now, in their primes, so let's not change history to fit our prejudices. Hogan is a bigger star than Angle and Lesnar are, and I'll be surprised if either man ever gets within a universe of drawing the money Hogan drew.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.11
    Originally posted by jerkflavorkoolaid
    There's no way the fans would side with Austin, especially in Madison Square Garden.



I don´t know about the 80ies, but I´ve seen most stuff since 1990 and did Hogan ever get a bigger pop in MSG then Austin got at Summerslam98?





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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by jerkflavorkoolaid
    this man deserves one last high profile good bye match.


He had one, two years ago. And one last year. Enough already, because then they go, "Wow, Hogan's over," which he is, and he sticks around and sucks and then goes away again. There will never be a "Hulk Hogan's last match" at Wrestlemania because he'll never go away right after it.

    Originally posted by jerkflavorkoolaid
    I'm sure a 10 minute classic style match wouldn't diminish the show.


What the hell does "classic style" mean?



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.97
    Originally posted by ParagonOfVirtue
    The whole point of Mania 18 was that people were riding the Hogan nostalgia train over the tired act of babyface Rock.


The reason why the fans booed the rock at Wrestlemania X8 was because Toronto Loves the Heels! and Hogan was the superheel!



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.20
I think Hogan outghta be there, but theres no reason for him to have a match. Especially now, how could you even book a match for him? True, Austin/Hogan would be an awesome sight (and one which I think we will eventually see), but Hogan would be better used as a surprise ref, announcer, or some other role. Actually, I bet that Vince already has him lined up to do something like this, and they are just keeping it under wraps until showtime. This show is equal parts history, present, and future. There's absolutely no reason why Hogan shouldn't and won't be a part of WMXX.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
    Originally posted by samoflange
      Originally posted by El Nino
        Originally posted by jerkflavorkoolaid
        Yes, he may be older and not able to do physically what he used to, this man deserves one last high profile good bye match. What better event than this would be appropriate? It's a 5 hour show, I'm sure a 10 minute classic style match wouldn't diminish the show.

      I don't remember Hogan ever being able to do anything very interesting. His skin color WAS orange, which was amusing. But other than that, I've never had a markout because of Hogan. His matches are dull at best, and anyone who refuses to put over Kurt Angle doesn't DESERVE a good-bye match. Espcially at WrestleMania. Bret Hart never got a good-bye match.


    You serious? Never had a markout moment because of Hogan?
    Did ya even watch WWF during Hulkamania?





At least for me who started watching in the 80's I never had a markout moment for Hogan. Of course, even though I was in WWF county I considered it below Crockett, Florida, World Class, the AWA and maybe slightly ahead of ICW in terms of promotions I'd watch. Gee, I miss the days when there would be half a dozen different promotions sent into a region.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.28
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    and maybe slightly ahead of ICW


ICW? I used to catch that on Saturdays and worry that Curly Moe would be the next partner to turn on Hogan at SummerSlam. Ah, to remember a clean shaven Tommy Dreamer, wrestling as TD Madison. Am I right on that?

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
    Originally posted by Dexley's Midnight Jogger
    [quote redsoxnation and maybe slightly ahead of ICW


ICW? I used to catch that on Saturdays and worry that Curly Moe would be the next partner to turn on Hogan at SummerSlam. Ah, to remember a clean shaven Tommy Dreamer, wrestling as TD Madison. Am I right on that?







I think at that point it had turned into IWCCW. I'm going a little earlier: when Lou Thesz would be color commentator, and guys like Barry Windham, Kevin Sullivan, Blackjack Mulligan etc. from Florida would occassionally appear. And Ox Baker, can't forget Ox. And of course, the legendary 'Jumping' Joe Savoldi vs. 'Fabulous' Phil Apollo feud for the ICW World Title will never be forgotten. Mainly the '85-'86 time frame, because once '87 rolled around the AWA sank further, World Class was on implosion road, Florida was dead, and ICW was a joke.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.63
    Originally posted by AmericanIcon
      Originally posted by ParagonOfVirtue



    The reason why the fans booed the rock at Wrestlemania X8 was because Toronto Loves the Heels! and Hogan was the superheel!


I think it was more, in that one case, because Toronto is a Hogan town, not because he was a heel.

Hulk Hogan has already had his final ride in the spotlight. The crowds went crazy for him, he sold a whole pile of DVD's, books and other merchandise, he got to fight some younger guys (say what you will about the buyrates he failed to deliver, but Edge, HHH, Storm and others went out of their way to say what an honor it was to work with him), everybody went home happy. But looking past the big nostalgia pop, there was nothing else there.

To give him yet another chance to come back (and really, it hasn't even been a full year since he was last on television) would be relatively meaningless. So what if its WMXX at MSG? Having him "wrestle" (and I'm a big Hogan fan, but I'm at least honest that his rasslin days are behind him) would take away from the event,not add to it.

Let him come back in five years as a guest referee or something. It will be more meaningful then.



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