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Great news for the GOP As they win Governor's races in VA and NJ, Bloomberg retains as mayor of NY as well. Robert Gibbs says this has nothing to do with Obama, HA! Can't wait for 2010.


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    Originally posted by CajunMan
    Robert Gibbs says this has nothing to do with Obama, HA! Can't wait for 2010.


I think it's pretty safe to say that it doesn't have anything to do with Obama in NJ as he still has an approval rating over 50% here. It's just that Corzine was that horrible a governor. Though former NJ Governor Dick Codey blaming Bush for Corzine losing got a chuckle out of me. I was surprised that Christie did win though. I kept hearing that my vote for Dagget would take votes away from Christie.

What's more interesting is the NYC Mayor's race. Bloomberg spent $100 million on a campaign where he was expected to demolish the challenger and had to hold on to win.


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I thought Bloomberg was an Independent.

The bloggers on CNN are saying that the goings-on in New York-23 is going to further alienate moderates from the Republican Party.

If you are unfamiliar, Dede Scozzafava, a Republican in the New York State Assembly, was chosen as the Republican candidate in the special election. Certain segments of the Republican Party felt she wasn't conservative enough, so they put their support behind the Conservative Party candidate, a man who had also sought the Republican nomination.

Three days before the election, basically having been disowned by her own party, Scozzafava withdrew and threw her support behind the Democratic candidate. He won with 49.2% of the vote, the Conservative Party candidate was second with 45.2%, and Scozzafava got 5.5%.

Never before have I seen the Republican Party cut off its nose to spite its face like it did here; that kind of infighting usually happens with Democrats.
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    Originally posted by David Adams
      Originally posted by CajunMan
      Robert Gibbs says this has nothing to do with Obama, HA! Can't wait for 2010.


    What's more interesting is the NYC Mayor's race. Bloomberg spent $100 million on a campaign where he was expected to demolish the challenger and had to hold on to win.


That pretty much sums it up. This probably had less to do with Obama and more to do with people hating Wall Street alums in government, as evidenced by Bloomberg. It's entirely possible NYC wasn't all that thrilled with someone trying to evade term limits and buying another term in office, regardless of party affiliation.

    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    The bloggers on CNN are saying that the goings-on in New York-23 is going to further alienate moderates from the Republican Party.

    If you are unfamiliar, Dede Scozzafava, a Republican in the New York State Assembly, was chosen as the Republican candidate in the special election. Certain segments of the Republican Party felt she wasn't conservative enough, so they put their support behind the Conservative Party candidate, a man who had also sought the Republican nomination.

    Three days before the election, basically having been disowned by her own party, Scozzafava withdrew and threw her support behind the Democratic candidate. He won with 49.2% of the vote, the Conservative Party candidate was second with 45.2%, and Scozzafava got 5.5%.

    Never before have I seen the Republican Party cut off its nose to spite its face like it did here; that kind of infighting usually happens with Democrats.


This too. That race is probably more of a rejection of the teabagger wing (you know, to separate the douchenozzles from the original Tea Partiers), seeing as this seat hadn't been held by a Democrat since the 1870's. Some parts of this district have been out of Democratic hands, the Whig Party still existed. For a district such as this (which, it should be noted, went for Obama, but I'll get to that later) to go to Owens says enough. Scozzafava might very well have waltzed to the seat as a moderate Republican, had prominent conservatives not decided they knew what's best for NY-23... more so than, uh, people from that district.

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Well, why are we giving up THAT much for him? Rivers, this year's 3, and next year's 1 and 5? In the words of Anna Nicole Smith (according to Kathy Griffin), I don'like it. I would have rather seen us keep that pick and use it... on someone else (no, I don't know... maybe trade down) and try to get Losman late in 1 or early 2 (which wouldn't happen, thanks to the Bills).



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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Scozzafava might very well have waltzed to the seat as a moderate Republican, had prominent conservatives not decided they knew what's best for NY-23... more so than, uh, people from that district.



except, she wasn't nominated by the people of the district.

The candidate selection process assigned weighted votes to the county chairpersons of the district’s eleven counties. Janet Duprey, an extremely liberal republican, pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro big government, who runs in a small district for assemblyman, had 11% of the vote and is best buds with Scozzafava, who shares Duprey's social and fiscal issues. Duprey voted against her delegation to select Scozzafava. And this to a candidate who had been approached by the Democrats to be their nominee already and refused.



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    Originally posted by David Adams
    I think it's pretty safe to say that it doesn't have anything to do with Obama in NJ as he still has an approval rating over 50% here.


I don't know about that. For the past few months, every Corzine ad was basically Obama speaking about Corzine, with Corzine standing in the background. Add in the recent trips Obama made to campaign personally for Corzine in NJ, & I would find it hard to believe that this had nothing to do with people's feelings on Obama's first year in office.

The bottom line is that while it by no means spells the end of Obama's presidency & the Democrats hold on congressional power, it'd be pretty hard to spin this is as a good thing either... (although Nancy Pelosi sure is trying...) (politico.com)
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    Originally posted by David Adams
      Originally posted by CajunMan
      Robert Gibbs says this has nothing to do with Obama, HA! Can't wait for 2010.


    I think it's pretty safe to say that it doesn't have anything to do with Obama in NJ as he still has an approval rating over 50% here. It's just that Corzine was that horrible a governor. Though former NJ Governor Dick Codey blaming Bush for Corzine losing got a chuckle out of me. I was surprised that Christie did win though. I kept hearing that my vote for Dagget would take votes away from Christie.




Agreed that this had nothing to do with Obama. Anyone who thinks that obviously hasn't lived here the last 4 years.

There are some who argue Dagget was a Corzine plant with the intent of sucking votes away from Christie. No proof yet but the Democratic State Committee did admit to paying for the robo calls that trashed Christie and told people to vote Daggett.

For me it was easy as ABC: Anyone But Corzine. The news was declaring Christie pretty early last night but I didn't relax until I listened to Corzine concede.

    Originally posted by Von Maestro
      Originally posted by David Adams
      I think it's pretty safe to say that it doesn't have anything to do with Obama in NJ as he still has an approval rating over 50% here.


    I don't know about that. For the past few months, every Corzine ad was basically Obama speaking about Corzine, with Corzine standing in the background. Add in the recent trips Obama made to campaign personally for Corzine in NJ, & I would find it hard to believe that this had nothing to do with people's feelings on Obama's first year in office.




Obama is still popular in this state. This just shows the rest of the country how HORRIBLE Corzine was. Even Obama couldn't save him in a state that voted for Obama. Obama probably should have realized this before stumping for Corzine 5 times I think in the last week. Corzine was awful but the national press is just going to rip Obama. That does a disservice to those of us who live here and had to put up with Corzine's devastation.



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    Originally posted by AWArulz
      Originally posted by drjayphd
      Scozzafava might very well have waltzed to the seat as a moderate Republican, had prominent conservatives not decided they knew what's best for NY-23... more so than, uh, people from that district.



    except, she wasn't nominated by the people of the district.

    The candidate selection process assigned weighted votes to the county chairpersons of the district’s eleven counties. Janet Duprey, an extremely liberal republican, pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro big government, who runs in a small district for assemblyman, had 11% of the vote and is best buds with Scozzafava, who shares Duprey's social and fiscal issues. Duprey voted against her delegation to select Scozzafava. And this to a candidate who had been approached by the Democrats to be their nominee already and refused.

    (edited by AWArulz on 4.11.09 1439)


Well, as I understand it, this wasn't exactly the NRCC nominating her either. But at least Scozzafava (from what I've read/heard) had more interest in locally relevant issues than Doug Hoffman and his supporters (not sure how big of a stretch it'd be to say he didn't live in the district, because Lake Placid isn't that far from Saranac Lake) but reading up on Hoffman, it's probably safe to say the district might not have been all that receptive to his platform either.

(This should probably be left to someone who actually lives in or near that district, admittedly.)







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Well, why are we giving up THAT much for him? Rivers, this year's 3, and next year's 1 and 5? In the words of Anna Nicole Smith (according to Kathy Griffin), I don'like it. I would have rather seen us keep that pick and use it... on someone else (no, I don't know... maybe trade down) and try to get Losman late in 1 or early 2 (which wouldn't happen, thanks to the Bills).



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The more telling thing last night was NY then NJ and Virginia. Virginia has been a traditional state, so not that big of surprise. Corzine was actually 15% to 20% down during the summer, so to lose by less then 10% should be considered a victory. NY showed what will happen in 2010 where the GOP civil war will allow Democrats to win or keep seats. The more crazy the GOP goes, the less of a chance they will have. The teabaggers have shown they are enthusiastic and apparently don't care if the Republicans should win.
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    Originally posted by lotjx
    The more telling thing last night was NY then NJ and Virginia.
They're all about as equally newsworthy as one cares to make them - which is to say "shouldn't be much, but a lot of folks have a need for things to talk about."

(See post #1)

    Virginia has been a traditional state, so not that big of surprise.
But the president took the time to campaign for the other fellow! I guess somebody was surprised somewhere along the way, or he wouldn't have stopped campaigning for him, devoting all his spare time to...

    Corzine was actually 15% to 20% down during the summer, so to lose by less then 10% should be considered a victory.
Oh, yes. I'm sure that when President Obama took all that valuable time out of his schedule to campaign for Corzine, he was hoping for precisely that kind of "victory."

    NY showed what will happen in 2010 where the GOP civil war will allow Democrats to win or keep seats. The more crazy the GOP goes, the less of a chance they will have. The teabaggers have shown they are enthusiastic and apparently don't care if the Republicans should win.
Oh ho ho, you called 'em teabaggers...like the homoerotic act! How droll. I will surely take your political punditry seriously now!















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Virginia shouldn't have been a surprise, as that state has gone against the Presidential party since '77.
Obama does take a slight hit nationally off the New Jersey race, as the polls had that close, so that it didn't go into absentee ballot/lawsuit territory plays as a surprise.
Bloomberg wants to make himself an emperor, alienated the few Republicans in NYC and likes to tax anything that exists. If the Democrats weren't scared off by his money and ran someone who even Gov. Patterson could see was competent, Bloomberg would have lost.
The key message that should be sent isn't pro Obama or anti Obama, it is if things stay relatively static or worse in the next year, all incumbents better have their resumes updated.
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I don't really think this has much, if anything, to do with Obama. No matter how popular he is, he can't overcome a governor candidate who is corrosively unpopular (Corzine) or one who runs a horrible campaign and spends half his time bashing Washington anyway (Deeds).

I agree that the New York congressional race is more important to the overall bigger picture. Owens is reportedly a pretty conservative Democrat, but he seems to be semi-on board for the public option. So there's another pro vote in Congress.



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    Originally posted by CRZ
    Oh ho ho, you called 'em teabaggers...like the homoerotic act! How droll. I will surely take your political punditry seriously now!


Well, from drjayphd's post it seems teabaggers is simply a way to "separate the douchenozzles from the original Tea Partiers". So, the pathetic insults could vary between the two meanings, I guess.

But I guess he's right: The NY race was more important than VA or NJ since it was a congressional seat at stake. Unless, of course, the incumbents won in VA and NJ... then THOSE would have been more important.

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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    This too. That race is probably more of a rejection of the teabagger wing (you know, to separate the douchenozzles from the original Tea Partiers), seeing as this seat hadn't been held by a Democrat since the 1870's. Some parts of this district have been out of Democratic hands, the Whig Party still existed.

Hilarious hyperbole aside, you're 100% wrong, though I'm sure that NBC and the NY Times trumpeting that falsehood every 5 minutes would convince you otherwise. And people laugh at conservatives for being sheep of Rush and Beck. Frickin' hilarious.

(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 5.11.09 1108)
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The house seat is more important for Obama since its another vote for his plans. NJ and Virginia have little or no effect to his plans. Obama should have let those races go since they were in the bag by the summer, but then people would be on him for not helping Democrats. Since most people miss the point of my post about NY, let me repeat it. Conservative and moderate Republicans will fight each other while Democrats win these elections even if its by the skin of their teeth. Even Palin says its not over for the conservative wing and I don't think she means the seat. While they did pick-up some good wins for them which the media is focusing on instead of the real story which is the GOP civil war that doesn't seem to be ending soon. The GOP is still lost in the wilderness and won due to the Democrats who were very unpopular to begin with. Of course, with the typical CRZ hack and slash post to anything that isn't pro-GOP is no really no surprise.
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    Originally posted by lotjx
    The GOP is still lost in the wilderness and won due to the Democrats who were very unpopular to begin with. Of course, with the typical CRZ hack and slash post to anything that isn't pro-GOP is no really no surprise.
"Since most people miss the point of my post about NY, let me repeat it."

I think that it's useless to try to extrapolate out to an entire party much of anything from the results of one very unusual race.

Also: in 2009, I don't think being pro-Tea Party (which I am) is equivalent to being pro-GOP (which I am, SOMETIMES). As soon as they're one and the same, I'll happily re-register as a Republican, but for now I certainly don't think I'm out of line for taking you to task for making "teabagger" references.

Widening your focus, I'm curious if you think there's still any sort of civil war happening on the D side - or did the Pelosi/Reid wing already win that one? (I'm sure that's what the Republicans are hoping has happened!)















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    Originally posted by CRZ

    Widening your focus, I'm curious if you think there's still any sort of civil war happening on the D side


Of course there's a war on that side. They OWN the house and Senate by a wide margin. If there wasn't a war, why is there any discussion of the health care issues or anything else.


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    Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Administration
    Rep. Baron Hill (IN-09), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Policy
    Rep. Charlie Melancon (LA-03), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Communications
    Rep. Heath Shuler (NC-11), Blue Dog Whip

    Blue Dog Members

    Altmire, Jason (PA-04)
    Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)
    Baca, Joe (CA-43)
    Barrow, John (GA-12)
    Berry, Marion (AR-01)
    Bishop, Sanford (GA-02)
    Boren, Dan (OK-02)
    Boswell, Leonard (IA-03)
    Boyd, Allen (FL-02)
    Bright, Bobby (AL-02)
    Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18)
    Carney, Christopher (PA-10)
    Chandler, Ben (KY-06)
    Childers, Travis (MS-01)
    Cooper, Jim (TN-05)
    Costa, Jim (CA-20)
    Cuellar, Henry (TX-28)
    Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA-03)
    Davis, Lincoln (TN-04)
    Donnelly, Joe (IN-02)
    Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08)
    Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)
    Gordon, Bart (TN-06)
    Griffith, Parker (AL-05)
    Harman, Jane (CA-36)
    Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (SD)
    Hill, Baron (IN-09)
    Holden, Tim (PA-17)
    Kratovil, Jr., Frank (MD-01)
    McIntyre, Mike (NC-07)
    Marshall, Jim (GA-08)
    Matheson, Jim (UT-02)
    Melancon, Charlie (LA-03)
    Michaud, Mike (ME-02)
    Minnick, Walt (ID-01)
    Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05)
    Moore, Dennis (KS-03)
    Murphy, Patrick (PA-08)
    Nye, Glenn (VA-02)
    Peterson, Collin (MN-07)
    Pomeroy, Earl (ND)
    Ross, Mike (AR-04)
    Salazar, John (CO-03)
    Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47)
    Schiff, Adam (CA-29)
    Scott, David (GA-13)
    Shuler, Heath (NC-11)
    Space, Zack (OH-18)
    Tanner, John (TN-08)
    Taylor, Gene (MS-04)
    Thompson, Mike (CA-01)
    Wilson, Charles (OH-06)


That's 60 Democrats right there. Worried guys and girls, I am guessing.

(edited by AWArulz on 5.11.09 1104)

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Why would they be worried, I just read multiple stories saying they are working on improving the language to make the anti abortion people happy?

I don't think it's near the split we're seeing on the Republican side with so many now calling themselves "independants".
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by drjayphd
      This too. That race is probably more of a rejection of the teabagger wing (you know, to separate the douchenozzles from the original Tea Partiers), seeing as this seat hadn't been held by a Democrat since the 1870's. Some parts of this district have been out of Democratic hands, the Whig Party still existed.

    Hilarious hyperbole aside, you're 100% wrong, though I'm sure that NBC and the NY Times trumpeting that falsehood every 5 minutes would convince you otherwise. And people laugh at conservatives for being sheep of Rush and Beck. Frickin' hilarious.

    (edited by Reverend J Shaft on 5.11.09 1108)


Except for the fact that they weren't my sources. Wikipedia was (en.wikipedia.org).

    Originally posted by Wikipedia
    New York's 23rd congressional district has historically been one of the most Republican districts in United States. The district has been in Republican hands since 1873 (under various district numbers), and a large part of the district — including the largest city, Watertown — has not been represented by a Democrat since 1851. In parts of the district, the last non-Republican Representative was a Whig.


Their reference: The Amazing Political History of NY-23 (swingstateproject.com)

According to that link, yes, nearly 40% of the 23rd was represented by a Democrat in the 20th century. But that doesn't include the majority of the population; 62% live in the pink or orange parts on that map.

Just because you hear a commentator say something, doesn't mean it's automatically true or untrue. That's why it helps to look things up before you say them.

Which reminds me... during the time Samuel Stratton served in the 23rd, that district encompassed Albany and Schenectady. Not its current location. Disingenuous, to say the least.

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    Originally posted by CRZ
    I think that it's useless to try to extrapolate out to an entire party much of anything from the results of one very unusual race.


No, but when notable conservatives are already making noise about challenging moderate Republicans in the primaries, then you can start saying things about the party. Like in California, where Carly Fiorina already has a target on her, with people (ugh, can't find a reference) lining up behind Chuck DeVore. (Who, it should be noted, really needs to work on song parodies. "All She Wants To Do Is Tax"? Don Henley should OWN YOU already.)

    Originally posted by CRZ
    Also: in 2009, I don't think being pro-Tea Party (which I am) is equivalent to being pro-GOP (which I am, SOMETIMES). As soon as they're one and the same, I'll happily re-register as a Republican, but for now I certainly don't think I'm out of line for taking you to task for making "teabagger" references.


Precisely a distinction that's being lost by, well... ahunno. Conservative carpetbaggers trying to assimilate the Tea Partiers? Liberals who see them as the new face of the Republican party, and are all too eager to do so thanks to the insanity of the LaRouchites? It's a crude joke, yes, but a convenient distinction between the Glenn Becks of the world and actual fiscal conservatives.

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Well, why are we giving up THAT much for him? Rivers, this year's 3, and next year's 1 and 5? In the words of Anna Nicole Smith (according to Kathy Griffin), I don'like it. I would have rather seen us keep that pick and use it... on someone else (no, I don't know... maybe trade down) and try to get Losman late in 1 or early 2 (which wouldn't happen, thanks to the Bills).



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