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Since: 12.7.03
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.93
if you look at the PPV schedule it only makes sense to load up RAW and let Smackdown develop while Angle & Big Show heal and Lesnar chases his football dream.

March - WMXX combined PPV
April - RAW PPV
May - SD PPV
June - RAW PPV
June - SD PPV
July - RAW PPV
August - Summerslam combined PPV

in the 5 months following WMXX they scheduled more RAW ppvs and loaded RAW to keep it hot. now Smackdown has developed a new heel in JBL who will, like it or not, be able to remain near the top of the card for at least the next couple of years and have introduced a lot of new characters who can develop over time.
But fear not, by Summerslam Angle & Show will be back and Smackdown hopefully will be back on it's feet. I think JBL has also done a good job in the promo department andf his brawls with Eddie have been fun. Give the guy a little credit.




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
Look at the Smackdown PPV main events for the past year:

Vengeance: WWE Champion Brock Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle vs. The Big Show
SummerSlam: WWE Champion Kurt Angle vs. Brock Lesnar
No Mercy: WWE Champion Brock Lesnar vs. The Undertaker
Survivor Series: Vince McMahon vs. The Undertaker
Royal Rumble: WWE Champion Brock Lesnar vs. Hardcore Holly
No Way Out: WWE Champion Brock Lesnar vs. Eddie Guerrero
WrestleMania: WWE Champion Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle
Judgment Day: WWE Champion Eddie Guerrero vs. John Layfield
Great American Bash: WWE Champion Eddie Guerrero vs. John Layfield; The Undertaker vs. The Dudley Boyz

And RAW's:

SummerSlam: World Champion Triple H vs. Goldberg vs. Kevin Nash vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho
Unforgiven: World Champion Triple H vs. Goldberg
Survivor Series: World Champion Goldberg vs. Triple H
Armageddon: World Champion Goldberg vs. Triple H vs. Kane
Royal Rumble: World Champion Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels
WrestleMania: World Champion Triple H vs. Chris Benoit vs. Shawn Michaels
Backlash: World Champion Chris Benoit vs. Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels
Bad Blood: World Champion Chris Benoit vs. Kane; Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H

It's not so much that they loaded up Smackdown, it's just that they relied so much on the Smackdown Six that when they all stagnated, got injured or got shifted to RAW...they had nobody to take up the slack.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
It also hurt that they built up Benoit as a Main Eventer on Smackdown and moved him. They invested a lot of time in that. Then Brock left. Edge got put on RAW for no good reason. Rather then letting Shelton Benjamin breakout on Smackdown, they moved him.

Bad moves by WWE but they don't really care about Smackdown these days. It's like the bastard child of the company.



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Since: 28.6.04
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.74
Looking at it in simpler terms, I think it's just that the WWE hasn't figured out yet how to divy up their resources (outside of the roster) properly. When Smackdown was hot, RAW was laying stink bombs. Now the situation's been reversed, and thinking about it I can't remember any point in time since the brand split that RAW and Smackdown have seemed even remotely balanced.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.53
Will Angle and Show be back by Summerslam? Kurt's presence has been felt as the GM, but he has started to suffer the sting of being labelled a "nonwrestler."

I know Show left to get his knees fixed again, and I am looking forward to his return.

For storyline purposes, he left because he was pissed that he couldn't beat Eddie for the title - then he took out his frustration on some diva's car, then almost on her before he chokeslammed Angle off the platform - "bloodying" Kurt's head, Kurt returns with his leg in a cast?

My question is, with Kurt a heel, when Show returns will he be a face? Will these two feud immediately - why would Show want to come back to SD! if Kurt is the GM?

Off the top of my head, the reason SD! is lacking now are:

- no Chavo Sr., Show, Angle, Lesnar, Goldberg, Edge, Hogan, Zack, Piper, Benjamin, Spanky, HHH, Mattitude, etc. For all of the time spent on these guys in the past year and a half, instead we get Dudleys and JBL.
- Cruiserweight division is weak and underappreciated. This is the strength of the division, and they are all treated as jobbers.
- No Tag teams to speak of.
- No on-air McMahons.
- Midcarders in the Main Event = no midcards
- No push for RVD who is still super over
- ditto for Booker T
- Bob Holly and Billy Gunn have same rep as jobbers that JBL had, they just as easily could be the champ now - they have both beaten Bradshaw repeatedly.
- Paul London and Spike should be given 8 minutes of airtime per week, and let them win maybe a third of the time...
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.97
If you want the real conspiracy theory, Pat McNeil mentioned Tom Zenk's claim that Smackdown was loaded earlier because they were up for renewal with UPN. Now that RAW is coming up for renewal with Spike TV, it's the better show. I'm sure WWE would love to have both shows be great, but perhaps they're unwilling to take big risks when it comes to their renewal chances.

(edited by FriedEgg on 29.6.04 1716)


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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
I'll buy that theory.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.45
    Originally posted by FriedEgg
    If you want the real conspiracy theory, Pat McNeil mentioned Tom Zenk's claim that Smackdown was loaded earlier because they were up for renewal with UPN. Now that RAW is coming up for renewal with Spike TV, it's the better show. I'm sure WWE would love to have both shows be great, but perhaps they're unwilling to take big risks when it comes to their renewal chances.

    (edited by FriedEgg on 29.6.04 1716)


If this is true, then it is very comforting to believe that the WWE will always have at least ONE good show
and at best, another mediocre one. As of now, RAW is the superior brand and if the cycle continues naturally; we should see a strong Smackdown! brand.


All Im mad about is that they havent pushed RVD, what the hell is wrong with these people?!






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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58

    All Im mad about is that they havent pushed RVD, what the hell is wrong with these people?!


I'm inclined to agree. With all the JBL apologists saying that he's getting a shot because his character is fresh and because Smackdown needed a new main eventer, why not just look at the hypocrisy involved in pushing Bradshaw (one of Vince's boys) while guys that were already over (i.e. RVD and Booker T) and had main-event cred before are languishing in the midcard. Booker and RVD are both better wrestlers, had better reputations, and were coming to Smackdown and thus were in the perfect position to be given a fresh start. Why not give one of them a main event run while the JBL character is built up first in the midcard, perhaps against Cena (it makes sense the the 'great American' would want to win the US belt).

Booker's downside is that he's apparently retiring within the next year or so, but that's hardly a big issue. Heck, WWE pushed Diesel hard for six months before he left for WCW, and yet it still worked. The trick was that Diesel was still booked to look strong despite the fact that he lost his major matches in that span (to Hart, to Undertaker and, finally, to Michaels). Build up Booker for the next few months and then have a face (probably Cena or Eddie, but maybe even someone new) beat Booker in a feud that could even be a loser-leaves-WWE match or something at the next Wrestlemania.

As for RVD, I know he's not the most popular guy with some fans, but for all of the complaints about his sloppiness in the ring and the repetitiveness of his spots, come on; he's worlds better in the ring than Bradshaw. And, as well, a cocky heel RVD is something we haven't seen in a few years (and really, something that WWE fans have never seen).

These are two guys that had way more upside (and still do) than Bradshaw, and it ticks me off that neither guy got a consistent main event slot because of "oh, well, he can't draw" or "he was disappointing" while Bradshaw gets opportunity after opportunity and even the friggin' title just because he's Vince's boy.





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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.67
I think another issue with pushing RVD right now is that, from all reports and a few interviews I've read with RVD, he hasn't re-signed yet. RVD has said it's pretty much a done deal, but it hasn't been finalized yet for one reason or another. Perhaps after all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed on his contract, his push will come. Perhaps.

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Well I'm not a big RVD fan but even I recognize the benefit of pushing him over JBL. Better matches, bottom line. I just think Smackdown is kinda directionless right now. I mean the last PPV had filler matches that had ZERO build up. Gunn vs Suzuki? Haas/Mordechia? Where did that crap come from? No build up at all. Also they don't give one crap about the tag division. I'm glad to see they seem to be building up the FBI as a possible face tag team, but crap they had a good idea going to two weeks when they paired Gunn and Holly and then they just dropped it. That's two strong seasoned ring performers that could work well against the Dudley's or a tag team of up and comers. Smackdown is building everything around JBL/Eddie and Cena right now. I mean a four way hunt for the US title is good for a week or so, but eventually for people to CARE about the match up you need to pair things down.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.93
was looking at the ratings for WWE in USA Today Life section (todays edition - wednesday 6-30-04) and RAW had hours of 4.6 million viewers and 5.3 million viewers for an average of 5.0 million on Spike. Smackdown had a 2 hour average of 4.7 million viewers. Not much difference. I think Smackdown ratings have held up pretty well and RAW had a very high rating last week of 4.2 cable rating where Smackdown was at their norm of 3.0-3.1 network rating. But the number of viewers is almost identical.
This week's RAW had a cable rating of 3.7 so it's very possible Smackdown will have more viewers this week.




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Since: 25.4.03
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.57

I'm honestly surprised that Vince hasn't really tried to push the cruiserweights more. Yeah, we all say that all the time, but I thought he would somewhat seriously look at the X division and the praise it gets and at least try to do something comparable to that. He's got some of the top cruisers in America (Mysterio, London, Noble, etc.) and most of them are "on the shelf collecting dust".

He came up with the whole "Attitude" era after he saw the success the nWo was having in WCW. That's the problem, he doesn't have a strong rival to "compare notes" with anymore, but that's stating the obvious.






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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
I believe Bruce Pritchard is gaining power on SD. IIRC, the "extreme gimmicks" idea was his. He also falls in line w/ Vince's notion that big guys = good, small guys = jobbers, so that's another hurdle for the cruisers.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.68
Interesting conspiracy theory, I'll give you that. It makes sense that Vince would want to load up on the ratings for Spike espically putting Rock on for the last two months. Those have been rating hits and I'm sure Vince will use that along with the fact that ratings have been up since Wrestlemania. Plus, Spike needs them more than the WWE needs Spike, honestly.

I don't know if I buy the theory for Smackdown since I don't know if any big names minus Hogan who have come aboard since the renewal process last summer. I guess Hogan could be it. I just think Smackdown is the red haired step-child and always will be. Smackdown only gets the cast-offs like Kenzo and rarely if ever have anything intereting going on. Its a shame since I think they are as talented as the Raw roster and charismatic, but pushing people like Bradshaw, Jackie and Chavo Classic have been really bad mistakes. They are also clueless on what to do with Cena since Eddie and Taker are the number 1 faces regardless if Taker is tweener. They need to move the Booker T, Cena and RVD to the main event while giving pushes to Kidman and Rey to the US title. Bradshaw is probably killed whatever importance the World Title had, so it would be a good idea to move to someone like Rob, Taker or even Booker. Another big trade would help too. Other than that Smackdown seems to be falling downward.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
    Originally posted by A Fan
    Its a shame since I think they are as talented as the Raw roster and charismatic, but pushing people like Bradshaw, Jackie and Chavo Classic have been really bad mistakes.


For a little while there, Chavo Classic (along with Chavo Jr of course) was one of the most entertaining things on Smackdown. It's a shame he got released because I was kinda looking forward to seeing him live at the Great American Bash.


    Originally posted by A Fan
    Bradshaw is probably killed whatever importance the World Title had, so it would be a good idea to move to someone like Rob, Taker or even Booker.


I honestly don't see how many people could make a valid point about this when he has only been champion for 3 days now and we haven't even seen him on TV as the champion yet. I understand that Bradshaw isn't the most popular guy in wrestling (or in discussions about wrestling) but after a little while as champ, he may actually start to be enjoyable. I've actually enjoyed him as a heel, I think he plays his character pretty good and while he is no Chris Benoit, he plays a believable part both in wrestling and when he is doing promos. I also understand the German Nazi thing was uncalled for but probably so was picking your nose with the Canadian flag and look where HBK is now. That doesn't make what he did any better, but people are quick to forget about things that happen when they actually like that wrestler's ability or ability to cut promos.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.97
What's bad about Smackdown? I quit watching Raw and am now a Smackdown fan. I was an old WCW fan and it's refreshing to relive the old Wedensday Night Thunder days. You may remember such great gimmicks like The Artist Formerly Known As Prince Iukeua, or that wonderful fued between The Maestro and The Cat (If the Cat lost he'd have to be The Maestro and Symphony's driver!). Yeah, that's right. That stuff really sucked. Smackdown is like Richard III compared to that garbage. So enjoy Smackdown in all its hideousness, because it isn't the worst wrestling you'll see. For that you'll have to pay $10 on Wednesday nights.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
So you PAY $10 a week to make sure TNA is worse than Smackdown every week?

I can tell you confidently that I have been enjoying my 4 weekly hours of TNA TV far more than my 3 weekly hours of Smackdown WWE TV. By far.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.16
I think Smackdown could really benefit from a strong lynchpin heel, but right now injuries and a depleted roster have made that difficult.

For as much as he was blasted earlier in the year, HHH and Evolution have been a solid faction that have really given a good foundation for the upper card. Likewise, the Angle/Heyman alliance resulted in a strong faction, with Angle, Big Show, and Team Angle united to cause problems for Brock and Benoit last year.

I think they could probably benefit from having someone form a new heel stable on Smackdown. Heyman’s got a good start on this, with the Dudleys under his wing already. Add in either a heel RVD and possibly the Undertaker and you’ve got a strong force of top-level heels to cause problems. Bradshaw could also be a candidate to head up a stable of his own, possibly recruiting guys like Mordecai, Mark Jindrak, Luther Reigns and Chavo Guerrero.
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But you have to remember: it took Evolution over a year of top booking plus working out the injury yips they had at the outset to get over as a faction, and this is a group that had the top heel on RAW as well as possibly the greatest heel in the business ever.

So while having a heel stable on top of the card may work if they keep it together and let it breathe, they probably still won't get immediate results out of it.



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