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Since: 15.1.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
Hello All.

I actually had some real life crap to deal with, hence the lack of posts, again. However, upon reading the recaps (I use my 35 bucks to pay the credit card bill), I was truly offended. As a wrestling fan, but not for what you might think. When I first heard about the WWE bringing back the Great American Bash, I had mixed feelings obviously. I immediately recalled the times when I was 8, watching with my older brother, the Horsemen fan.

I think we were watching the '85 Bash, and we were into everything, especially, Flair-Rhodes, if memory serves. It was even cooler seeing the '86 bash in town. Later on, he found a tape of the one with the first (and best) Wargames match, and he cherished it like a treasure. So, when I saw the card for last night's show, I shook my head.

I think my brother said it best, when he asked me if Flair was going to be in this year's Bash, I said no. He said, "But it's the Great American Bash!". I told him, "I know." I didn't dare tell him who was there, because he's big on old school wrestling and I didn't want him to know that Vince pissed on another great wrestling tradition. I wanted him to remember the Bash as it was, not what it has come to.

So, you old schoolers share some thoughts about the original Bash with me, so that I can feel better.



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Since: 21.11.02
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.07
Much like everything else Vince touches, he has ruined the good name of the GAB. As bad as this card was, I am sure even Flair was glad he was not part if it.

Ringmistress, enjoy your tapes and memories of GAB past, because the GAB you and your brother know is buried in cement with Paul Bearer.

My sympathies to you and your brother.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
    Originally posted by Wpob
    My sympathies to you and your brother.


My thanks. He'll appreciate them too.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.58
The original WarGames is the one match I will always remember for it's excitement, brutality and novelty. I was living in Denver at the time and did not have a chance to see it until we got the video a few weeks after the event. The crowd at the Bash (and in my apartment) was absolutely bananas from the first minute until the very end. From what I have read this morning, I think it is safe to say that the 2004 GAB compared in name only......

(edited by dunkndollaz on 28.6.04 1151)


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Since: 4.1.02
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.53
If anyone did damage to the name of the Great American Bash, it's WCW. The last 5-6 editions of the Bash were average at best, and usually horrible, even for a WCW pay-per-view.



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Since: 21.11.02
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.07
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    If anyone did damage to the name of the Great American Bash, it's WCW. The last 5-6 editions of the Bash were average at best, and usually horrible, even for a WCW pay-per-view.


Nothing could have been worse than last night's GAB. I will defer to your knoweldge, but I will have a hard time beleiving that ANYTHING was worse than last night's crapfest.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
"Nothing could have been worse than last night's GAB. I will defer to your knoweldge, but I will have a hard time beleiving that ANYTHING was worse than last night's crapfest."

-Great American Bash '91
-Great American Bash '98
-Great American Bash '99

AS WELL AS:

-King Of The Ring '95
-Uncensored '95
-Uncensored '96
-Souled Out '97
-Bash At The Beach '98
-Bash At The Beach '99
-Hallowe'en Havoc '99
-WWF D-Generation X '97
-WWF Rock Bottom '98
-WWE Unforgiven 2003
-WWE Armaggeddon 2003

And many, many more.






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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.37
    Originally posted by Ringmistress
    I immediately recalled the times when I was 8, watching with my older brother, the Horsemen fan.

    I think we were watching the '85 Bash, and we were into everything, especially, Flair-Rhodes, if memory serves.





Flair/Rhodes was '86. In July of '85, Flair was tweener leaning towards face in Crockett as he faced Nikita Koloff for the NWA Title/America's Honor/and David Crockett's virtue (the latter being the most important of course).
Its really sad that the name Great American Bash, that was once known for the greatest North American PPV in GAB '89 and for the introduction of Wargames:The Match Beyond into pro wrestling, can also be lumped with two of the worst PPV's of all time (GAB '91: We Want Flair, and GAB '99: Kevin Nash vs. Randy Savage in a snoozefest that set up The Moment WCW's stupidity broke the fourth wall with the World Title decided in a tag match where the champ could be pinned by his partner at Bash at the Beach '99. It's 5 years later, and I still can't figure out how a tag team partner can legally pin his own partner) and this pathetic rebirth of the name. On the bright side, at least they decided against bringing back the name Starrcade and finding a way to desecrate its legacy further.

(edited by redsoxnation on 28.6.04 1552)


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Since: 27.6.04

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
The first Souled Out PPV wasn't that bad. There is plenty out there that is much, much worse...
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Since: 11.7.02
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
I was at GAB '98. Talk about diminishing returns. The last four mathces were horrid. The first half was OK, except for the Juvi/Ron Reis nacho break in match three. But the last half of the card was brutal, even in person.

Of course, I also had the "honor" of being at Starrcade '97 for the Hogan/Sting fiasco...





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Since: 22.1.02
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
    Originally posted by Grimis
    I was at GAB '98. Talk about diminishing returns. The last four mathces were horrid. The first half was OK, except for the Juvi/Ron Reis nacho break in match three. But the last half of the card was brutal, even in person.

    Of course, I also had the "honor" of being at Starrcade '97 for the Hogan/Sting fiasco...




Just curious Grimis, what was the fan reaction like after the Hogan/Sting match?

I would think it'd be something like the end of WrestleMania X7, where the fans were just happy that their guy won....



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Since: 18.6.04
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.37
The first Bash I ever saw was G.A.B 87 which I rented from my video store when I was a kid.

I was amazed by War Games and I remember thinking back then how the WWF doesn't do anything like this.

But the most memorable match in my view was the Barbwire Ladder Match between Dusty Rhodes and Tully Blanchard.

Even watching it now I'm like damn that's a great idea for a match.





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
I'm sure Flair doesn't give a rat's ass about maintaining the "great name" of certain past PPVs. To us, wrestling is a form of entertainment. To them, they just care about making money and a living.

Anyway, it's just a wrestling PPV. Are you guys legitimately upset at this? You didn't need to read a recap to know the show was going to suck. Most of the matches were known for a few weeks.

I doubt any of the wrestlers or management care about anything other than how much money will the company have made at the end of the night. If using the name helps sell a few more PPV buys, then why not do it. It's a good name for a PPV. They'd be stupid to not try and profit from this name (as well as a few other NWA/WCW PPV names). Isn't that the goal in business??

I also highly doubt Vince is trying to "piss" all over his PPVs and TV shows, as you assert. Self-sabotage has never been one of Vince's best known hobbies, so maybe you're a little off base in making up these wild theories.

I don't like the direction of Smackdown anymore than the rest of you, but that's why I'm not watching. Instead, I'll wait until Smackdown is worth 2 hours of my time every week. Nobody is forcing anyone to watch WWE's crappy television, so all this complaining is pretty pathetic. Blame yourself for wasting your time, not WWE. Or better yet, write a letter to WWE if that makes you feel better. Griping on internet forums is hardly going to change anything as online griping has been around since the start of the internet.


(edited by chill on 28.6.04 1553)
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Since: 22.1.02
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Chill, how many more times are you gonna make this point?

I mean, you're beating a dead horse, telling us not to beat a dead horse. No one's forcing you to read these threads and then post...



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Chill, how many more times are you gonna make this point?

    I mean, you're beating a dead horse, telling us not to beat a dead horse. No one's forcing you to read these threads and then post...


Ohhh, suddenly I'm the one who's in the wrong. Sorry, I thought it was just my opinion. Didn't know I was offending anybody by stating it in response to other people's posts. although, likewise, nobody's forcing you to read my posts either, so yes, I see your point, but this is only gonna go in circles. You don't like my opinion, and I'm tired of people complaining about the obviously bad. It's like someone sitting down to eat a pile of dog crap and then complaining about it.

I have no problem with anyone personally on here. But if no one says anything about all this beating of a dead horse over WWE's material, when will it start to decrease? If I'm the only person who has a problem with all this constant and needless griping when there's a simple solution (stop watching if you don't like it that much), then I'll shut up. It's that or I'll be banned anyway just so I can be censored from sharing my own opinion. I seem to have a low rating on here last time I checked anyway.

So tell you what, next time I'll fall into line and agree with everyone who's complaining about a PPV they didn't see and that we all knew would be bad ahead of time. There's nothing like stating the obvious, so please accept my apologies for my past behaviour.



(edited by chill on 28.6.04 1750)
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Since: 15.1.02
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
First of all, thanks Redsoxnation for correcting me on Flair/Rhodes. I get my years mixed up. Also, the thing you got to understand about my family is that we spent LOTS of time watching wrestling back in the day, especially the NWA. We go to the house shows at the Civic Center every chance we got, and any and every hour that NWA was on TV, we'd be right there.

The Ringmistress family lived and breathed NWA (with a little WWF on the side) in the 80s. Anything wrestling we watched with as much passion as possible. The biggest highlights for us was the Bash. Fortunately, we only saw the Bashes from 85 to about 88, so we missed the crap fortunately.

All I'm saying is, that considering how much the NWA was a part of our lives, it's a damn shame that this tradition will now be remembered as the night that Paul Bearer became the world's biggest paperweight.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
    Originally posted by Ringmistress
    All I'm saying is, that considering how much the NWA was a part of our lives, it's a damn shame that this tradition will now be remembered as the night that Paul Bearer became the world's biggest paperweight.


I hope you're wrong, since I too enjoyed growing up watching NWA, back when wrestlers were DQ'd for throwing their opponents over the top rope. But fans have such a short memory, I don't think it will have any lasting negative effect. I hold out far too much hope that WWE will improve Smackdown by 2005, and anything good is worth waiting for anyway. We all thought RAW was doomed before, and eventually that was straightened out. I think they're just building up a few new regular Smackdown main eventers. Anyway, Eddie wasn't going to stay in the main event for long if he didn't lose the title and then fight to get another shot at holding it. I have no problem with JBL as champ. It's called giving someone a second chance, and I much prefer his new character to the old Bradshaw.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.75
    Originally posted by asteroidboy
      Originally posted by Grimis
      I was at GAB '98. Talk about diminishing returns. The last four mathces were horrid. The first half was OK, except for the Juvi/Ron Reis nacho break in match three. But the last half of the card was brutal, even in person.

      Of course, I also had the "honor" of being at Starrcade '97 for the Hogan/Sting fiasco...




    Just curious Grimis, what was the fan reaction like after the Hogan/Sting match?

    I would think it'd be something like the end of WrestleMania X7, where the fans were just happy that their guy won....


Not trying to speak for Grimis, but I was there as well for the Starcade 97 match, and we were very happy with the Sting/Hogan result. We weren't too sure what happened with the "phantom" fast count by Nick Patrick, but we did believe that Hart would want everything to be on the up and up (Hogan had cheated plenty in the match).

It also helped that most of the card was depressing enough that we were looking for anything to be excited about.

And yes, GAB 04 would have had to been MUCH worse to equal GAB 91.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
Oldschoolhero, Great American Bash 1998 was actually a pretty good PPV. Yeah, the second half was pretty brutal. However, the three out of the first four matches were all excellent. I wouldn't put it under a worst ever listing.

However, I will totally agree with all of your other choices on your list.

Personally, I didn't mind GAB 2004 too much. The fourway, the cruiserweight title, and the bullrope match kept it out of thumbs down territory. Everything else was boring or outright bad. But, I didn't think it was any worse than some other PPVs, and certainly not worst PPV ever caliber.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.71
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    "Nothing could have been worse than last night's GAB. I will defer to your knoweldge, but I will have a hard time beleiving that ANYTHING was worse than last night's crapfest."

    -Great American Bash '91
    -Great American Bash '98
    -Great American Bash '99

    AS WELL AS:

    -King Of The Ring '95
    -Uncensored '95
    -Uncensored '96
    -Souled Out '97
    -Bash At The Beach '98
    -Bash At The Beach '99
    -Hallowe'en Havoc '99
    -WWF D-Generation X '97
    -WWF Rock Bottom '98
    -WWE Unforgiven 2003
    -WWE Armaggeddon 2003

    And many, many more.






I'm not going to look up all of those, but I just checked the last two and they were no worse than this year's GAB...and arguably a little better. Methinks GAB 2004 is cracking the top 10 for worst PPV ever.



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