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John Orquiola
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Since: 28.2.02
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#1 Posted on
Rather than complain about or bemoan this endless title reign of Triple H, I decided to sit back and enjoy the ride. It's easy to do this because I realized something recently: I love The Pedigree.

Is there a more devastating and decisive finishing maneuver in this business than The Pedigree? Answer: No. The Pedigree is the coup de grace, the end. It means the end of the match, the end of a challenger's attempt at taking Triple H's belt, the end of an episode of RAW, and the end of whatever small hope fans have of seeing an end to Triple H's unstoppable dominance.

The Pedigree isn't just devastating to Triple H's opponent, it literally knocks the wind out of an arena of fans (and for sure, the people watching at home.) I love that. It doesn't matter how much an opponent rallies, how close he might be to achieving victory, that one boot to the midsection followed by The Pedigree spells the end.

It's not just the opponent who feels The Pedigree. Every person watching and dreaming of Triple H's title reign finally ending feels The Game's boot strike their midsection. They feel Triple H's mighty arms butterfly their's behind their back. They feel their heads strike the mat from between Triple H's legs. And then... nothing. It's over. Another victory by Triple H, another notch in his belt, another day that he is World Champion. And so it continues. And, given no choice otherwise -- I love it!

It doesn't matter who it is in that ring with Triple H; Kane, RVD, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels... they all go down to The Pedigree. The Pedigree has made challengers into also rans, hopefulls into the hopeless.

The best part of The Pedigree is when it doesn't work. This is so ingenious. Every now and then, an opponent will stun everyone by taking The Pedigree and somehow kicking out. Suddenly, the fans light up and their hearts swell with hope, with the possibility that maybe, just maybe tonight is the night! Triple H will lose! Oh ho, but that's when The Game is at his best. When his opponent kicks out of one Pedigree, watch how deftly, how skillfully Triple H delivers a SECOND boot to the gut, and the ANOTHER Pedigree! Then, my friends, it truly is over. See, hope is like a balloon, and Triple H is the needle ready to pop it. I love that.

I think WWE should do more to get The Pedigree over. One idea I think would be great is to have Ric Flair wear an earpiece so he knows at what time RAW is ending. This way he can keep time and announce to everyone when to expect The Pedigree. "Whoooo! It's 11:00! Three minutes to The Pedigree, by God!"

The Pedigree is the star of the show. It is, apologies to Chris Jericho, the Highlight of the Night. It should be treated as such.

God, I love The Pedigree. May it squash Triple H's challengers forever.



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And as we all know, dead crowds = RATINGS

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Musta killed ya when Triple H won with a *DDT* last night, huh? :)



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Since: 12.2.03
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#4 Posted on
I personally find the original version of the Pedigree to be a lot more cool looking and exciting. Yet, much too dangerous looking as well, so I'm not complaining.



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Since: 3.1.03
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#5 Posted on
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. But, I guess if you expect the Pedigree every time He-Man wrestles, then it could be fun.

You hit the nail right on the head with that move sucking the air/hope out of "the hundreds in attendance, and the thousands watching at home."

Who else thinks Triple H will get injured and forfeit the title and all this buildup for some David FINALLY beating the Almighty Goliath will be for nothing?



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Since: 30.1.03
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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by CRZ
    Musta killed ya when Triple H won with a *DDT* last night, huh? :)


That was a bitchin' DDT, though. RVD should get DDT'd on the ramp for our pleasure every week. He scares me...but in a good way.
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Since: 4.1.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54


    Who else thinks Triple H will get injured and forfeit the title and all this buildup for some David FINALLY beating the Almighty Goliath will be for nothing?


Word. StepHHHanie will keep finding reasons why any numbers of Davids "don't have what it takes" and thus Trips will continue to hold the belt for months.




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#8 Posted on
I agree with the OP, but it pisses me off that it gets reversed so damned much. The Rock Bottom isn't reversed, the stunner isn't reversed(although people can avoid it). The pedigree should be reversed very rarely, not EVERY match, and not TWICE by RVD.

Why don't people take the pedigree well anymore. Aren't they supposed to kick their legs out? Barely anybody is doing that anymore. Too dangerous? It injured Al Snow a while back.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.22
Every single HHH match I have ever seen, dating back to his arrival in 95, has the same "slingshot into the corner" spot in it. I remember a match in 95 or 96 that he lost (can't remember the opponent) when he was slingshotted into the corner and hit his head on the ringpost. Point is, I think he loves that spot more than anything else in the world and works it in by having it used as a Pedigree reversal.



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#10 Posted on
I really wanted to see that Pedigree on the steel ramp. It probably would have either injured RVD's neck or banged up HHH's knees pretty badly, but it would have been freaking cool to see.



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Since: 4.1.02
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54


    it pisses me off that it gets reversed so damned much. The Rock Bottom isn't reversed


Are you kidding? Almost every Rock match has the Rock get up for an RB, only to have the opponent elbow Rock in the head a few times to break Rock's grip. And Eddie Guerrero came up with that sweet Rock Bottom reversal where he take the momentum and turns it into a cradle.



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Since: 20.1.02
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#12 Posted on
There's an older version of the Pedigree? Someone enlighten me.

It wouldn't be THAT hard to take a good Pedigree, would it? Just a normal front bump, turn face to the side as to not break your nose. I should know, *is a Pedigree victim*. And as for the knees, it's nothing a good pair of kneepads can't handle.



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Since: 26.3.03
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#13 Posted on
Not sure about an "original version" of the Pedigree...

There is that one infamous Pedigree from a Raw in 95 (I think...) where the jobber jumped too high and came down straight on his head. That was a sick bump by mid-nineties WWF standards, but it was purely unintentional.



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Since: 8.6.02
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#14 Posted on
Yeah, a couple people took it on the top of the head.

I would prefer the more Japanese psychology of each guy having about 3 finishers, and no one finisher ever cosistently ending a match. It would make the matches ten times less predictable. The pedigree really does take the joy out of a match. It's almost entertaining to see the fans deflate as he hits that move. Almost, but not really.



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Since: 2.7.02
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#15 Posted on
I think by "Old Pedigree", the person meant how Trips use to get more air. He would jump real high while almost touching his heels to his ass and his opponent would jump and kick their legs out so the body became parallel to the matt. When done that way it looks sick and deadly.



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#16 Posted on
See, hope is like a balloon, and Triple H is the needle ready to pop it. I love that.


Great line. It's what I love about Triple H. The bit about the Pedigree figuratively hitting the entire arena was good too. Most (I assume) would attribute it to the backstage politics but, like you said, the move means it's the end of the fucking match.

The actual impact of it doesn't seem that big anymore. Maybe it's because I'm a smark but it's gotten to be like Hogan's leg drop to me. I don't think about what it would feel like to be driven into the mat with my hands held behind my back.

Maybe that's what whomever meant by the "old" Pedigree. People used to take it with their legs out like Mike Foley does. Now most put their knees down when they hit. Back in the day people only did that for Stevie Ray.



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#17 Posted on
The following post expresses the opinions of a raving Jerichoholic. He is biased, opinionated and bitter. You have been warned.

I don't know how I feel about finishers. On the one hand, they are the signal for the end of a match, so it's surprising when someone kicks out. On the other hand, it's supposed to be surprising when the match ends. The crowd isn't supposed to know that the match is over until the ref's hand hits the mat for the third time and somebody's music plays. Like how the crowd went nuts ONLY after Booker T's music played this Monday. (Note how I conveniently ignore the fact that both men were down and the decision was reversed.)

Maybe the occasional match should end with something besides the finisher, like the DDT on the ramp that beat RVD Monday.



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#18 Posted on
They do, generally.....I think a bigger problem is the last 5 or so minutes of any HHH match always end the same way. It's gotten so redundant you KNOW the match isn't over until Flair interferes, Orton interferes and HHH hits a low blow. And as soon as Flair pops up, the match for all intents and purposes is over already, in the same fashion it always is



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#19 Posted on
Remember when the Warrior no sold the Pedigree and then pinned HHH less than a minute later? Oh to see that once again...



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#20 Posted on
Speaking of the Warrior, am I the only one who thinks that the HHH/Goldberg match at SummerSlam should go down basically the same way the Honky/Warrior match did at SummerSlam fifteen years ago?
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