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Since: 3.5.03
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
..or at least one of their cameramen is (ESPN.com).


    NFL security confiscated a video camera and its tape from a New England Patriots employee on the team's sideline during Sunday's game against the Jets in a suspected spying incident, sources said.

    The camera and its tape were placed in a sealed box and forwarded to the league office for investigation, the sources said.

    "We don't have any comment," an NFL spokesman said Monday.

    The Patriots' cameraman was suspected of aiming his camera at the Jets' defensive coaches who were sending signals to their unit on the field, the sources said. The league also is investigating some radio frequency issues that occurred during the game.

Eeeenteresting. Probably doesn't fully explain Randy Moss' 200-yard game though. Heh.

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I don't get it. How is this cheating?

These coaches know better, this is why you always see them holding parers over their faces when they call out plays so the other teams coaches won't know what's coming. If you don't hide your calls, it's your problem if the other team is watching and figures it out.

It might be bad sportsmanship, but I don't see it as cheating.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    It might be bad sportsmanship, but I don't see it as cheating.


Cheating is a very strong word for them to use. I would hope that video taping the opposing coaches during a game is against some rule.

Sportscenter said that this is so serious, it could cost the Pats a draft pick.

(edited by Zeruel on 10.9.07 2048)


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.42
Holy crap, seriously? What's next, headsets inside batting helmets so base coaches don't have to give signs to baserunners anymore? Serves the Jets coaches right for being stupid and not hiding their calls...



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    I don't get it. How is this cheating?

    These coaches know better, this is why you always see them holding parers over their faces when they call out plays so the other teams coaches won't know what's coming. If you don't hide your calls, it's your problem if the other team is watching and figures it out.

    It might be bad sportsmanship, but I don't see it as cheating.

The thread title is tongue-in-cheek, but I was only half kidding. It's completely against NFL rules to do this. Thus, it is cheating.

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They just said on the radio this morning that a Packers official(I think) says the Pats got in trouble for something similar in a game against them so that could be why this ends up being a big penalty for them.
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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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Didn't the Dolphins do the same thing last season? Except they went over publicly available tape, so it was okay?



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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    They just said on the radio this morning that a Packers official(I think) says the Pats got in trouble for something similar in a game against them so that could be why this ends up being a big penalty for them.

Well, the incident is referenced here, but it sounds like it was just a 'stop doing that' as opposed to anything else.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=659604

EDIT: ProFootballTalk.com has this in the rumor mill (the "sternly written letter" is a link to an SI article):

In 2006, the Patriots reportedly caused a "sternly written letter" regarding the videotaping of signals and/or play-calling gestures. Also, Mortensen mentions that a similar incident occurred last year, when the Patriots played at Lambeau field.



(edited by Sec19Row53 on 11.9.07 1324)
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.43
    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Didn't the Dolphins do the same thing last season? Except they went over publicly available tape, so it was okay?


Yep, and the team they did it against threw a fit.

Oh, right...it was the Patriots. How ironic.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84

Well, we all know that Belichek is a fan of cheating, on and off the field.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
And the rumors seem to be getting worse

From profootballtalk.com


    WERE PATS WIRING DEFENSIVE PLAYERS, TOO?

    The situation regarding the New England Patriots and the allegations/proof that they have stolen defensive signals is unofficially getting weirder.

    The signal stealing flap is relevant only to defensive signals, since all offensive calls are made by radio.

    But we're now aware of suspicions/rumors regarding efforts by the Pats to get a leg up as to opposing offenses. Specifically, we're told that it's believed that, during the 2006 season, the Patriots were putting microphones on defensive linemen in order to capture the offensive line calls and the quarterback audibles.

    Then, the audio and the video of the game would be matched up, and the defensive players would be given the code at halftime.
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Update from ESPN.com

In short (via a "source"):
  • Goodell has determined that the Patriots have violated a rule
  • "Multiple draft picks" could be forfeited
  • Patriots have until Friday to defend themselves
  • League is also looking into the radio frequencies the Patriots were using during the game

    Cheating sucks, but this is mildly amusing to me just the same. It's like everyone else was playing football while the Patriots were playing war.

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    #13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.05
    Ha Ha ... fuck you Patriots ...
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    I'm still waiting for the game this season where they stop play and confiscate all helmets on the field.

    The green dot is there for a reason - it's there so they can bust someone with a receiver in the helmet that shouldn't be there. No way to feign innocence with this new set-up.

    Someone is being set up to burn this season, and I'm wondering who it is.




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    I'm very much enjoying the "his reputation is tarnished FOREVER"-teeth gnashing, as thought he was Barry Bonds or Woody Hayes or something. In my mind I keep thinking of Kevin McHale getting busted for giving that illegal contract to Joe Smith a few years ago, which basically wrecked that franchise. McHale gets grief for that because the punishment had such a negative impact. I think if McHale had been able to build a team that won a title (or three, as in Belichick's case) it would have been treated more like a footnote.

    Also, my prediction for the Pats-Jets rematch at Gillette is Pats 76, Jets 0. I wonder if the Jets HAD to bust the Pats when they were playing at the Meadowlands, as opposed to them waiting until they wouldn't have to play them again this season.



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    #17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.25
    Belichick fined $500K, the Patriots fined $250K, and they will lose their first-round draft pick in '08 if they make the playoffs.

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    Goodness but did Roger Goodell drop the hammer on them. I have to say, especially from my perspective as a speech teacher, I'm really interested in what Belichick is going to say in his response to the penalty. I can't envision any sort of a response that will be even remotely convincing or helpful given Belichick's usual overwhelming attitude of smug superiority, but I'm amazingly curious to see how he/they will deal with this decision.

    I also find it interesting how quickly (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) other teams and players are casting aspersions about more than this year. It certainly adds even more spice to an already extra-spicy situation.

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    #19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
      Originally posted by The Goon
      Belichick fined $500K, the Patriots fined $250K, and they will lose their first-round draft pick in '08 if they make the playoffs.

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    Or their 2nd and 3rd round picks if they somehow fail to make the playoffs (not looking very likely after how the manhandled the Jets week 1).
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    Since: 11.1.02
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    #20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
    Nope, not severe enough.

    The Pats have two first-round picks next year, plus an additional third-round pick.

    Maybe a suspension would have been more fitting.
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