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#21 Posted on
Jeff D'Amico was injured for most of last season. The year before that he was 12 - 7 a 2.66 ERA.

He's got promise, just depends if he lives up to the potential. AL Leiter is probably really a number two starter and then Estes, Astacio, and D'Amico are probably number 3 starters. Al Leiter is probably really a number 2 starter, and Estes, Astacio, and D'Amico are all number 3 starters, but I'd rather have 4 above average pitchers than have 2 starting pitchers then nothing good like the Braves. As for Traschel I think he'll start the year as the fifth starter, but Chen may take his place if he doesn't do well. They could also add David Cone, i'm not sure if that will be much help though. Mets are also interested in Kenny Lofton so they could put him at the top add move Cedeno down to 7th. Not sure if they would do that or not. Lofton, no doubt has been a great leadoff hitter but last year he had a career low in batting average, on base pecentage, and stolen bases. He only had 16 stolen bases and is aging. While Cedeno had 55 stolen bases and is still young.

As for defense, the Mets have probably the best 1b/2b/3b/ss in all of baseball, except maybe the Yankees (not sure how good defensively Giambi is). But the Braves have the advantage at catcher, pitcher and outfield.



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Quezzy, with all due respect, I think you may be underestimating Millwood slightly. I remember a couple of years ago when he wasn't half bad. Now, Lopez and Marquis, I'll give you... Millwood's the wild card on the Braves' rotation, IMO. (Yes, it pains me to admit it.) You also have to factor in the bullpens as well... more specifically, the closers. (Note: this is not, by any strech of the imagination, a compliment to John Smoltz. I would never, ever compliment John Smoltz.)

Fair enough assessment of the defensive capabilities - I was going to try something in-depth, but it would stack out about like you had it, although I'm not sure how well-known Sheffield's defense is, I still think Jones is overrated, and Larry's going to have fun in left this year. However, Burnitz/Cedeno/Payton is a defensive combo I'm not entirely sure of - lack of exposure/interest, to be honest. If someone could clear all of those up, I'd appreciate it.

I had heard rumors Cone may be going back to the Yanks, but I'm not sure what happened with that. Thanks for the info on D'Amico.
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IF and that's a big IF the Mets get Lofton it looks like Kenny will be batting 7th. If this is Lofton circa 1998 then he leads off. But this is OLD kenny and I'd much rather have Payton right now especially since he is DUE to break out any decade now.

I think Jason Marquis is going to be the breakout pitcher of 2002. His fastball keeps gaining speed and he looked really good last year. I could see him being a #2 starter in 2003. I graduated high school with the guy and he was by far not the typical jock. Great guy and I hope he kicks ass this year, until he plays the Mets!
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But the Braves have the advantage at catcher, pitcher and outfield.

I'm a biased Braves fan, but I'll be the first to admit that Mike Piazza is terribly underrated as a catcher. His defence isn't that bad! And he's certainly on par with the "slightly above average" Javy Lopez in terms of defence.

And as far as offence goes? Please - no contest.




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Well Mike is great at calling a game and blocking the plate, and I think he's underrated for that, but then again the catcher position is pretty underrated to begin with. However, Lopez is a lot better at throwing out runners, both stealing bases and picking them off, isn't he? I could be wrong, I'm not really a Javy Lopez expert.



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A random thought, which might only have interest to my fellow Mets fans, but I'm curious as to what the Mets everyday lineup will be. Now, I know it's extremely premature to be thinking of these matters, but pitchers and catchers are about to report, and I'm proverbially chompin' at the fictional bit.
Here's my wish:

1. Cedeno
2. Alomar
3. Alfonzo
4. Vaughn
5. Piazza
6. Burnitz
7. Payton
8. Ordonez

I know this bunches up your two top speed guys back to back, but I think it works, because Alomar is a high OBP guy and great contact hitter. From 3-6, I tried to alternate R-L-R-L in order to both separate the high strikeout numbers of Vaughn and Burnitz, as well as create that "balance" thing the kids like to talk about today. Plus, assuming Payton actually has his scheduled "breakout" year this time, you have a fair power/speed combo down low with Burnitz and himbefore the incompetent hitters come up. Now I'll admit a lot has to go right for this team to contend, but according to reports, both Alfonzo and Vaughn have been rehabbing like mad to get in the best possible shape for the upcoming season, and they are the keys. Remaining healthy and keeping a very small gap between "what they can do" and "what they actually do" may well make the difference between winning the division or contending for the tight wild card race.



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My friends and I have been doing this for the past three months and we all decided on this one:

Cedeno
Alomar
Piazza
Vaughn
Alfonzo
Burnitz
Payton
Ordonez
Ron Darling

While Alomar is a great #3 hitter, Piazza is perfect here. Plus Alomar might just have his best season ever bc with Cedeno on he'll be seeing a ton of fastballs, and you can't pitch around Roberto cause then you have Mike and Mo. Fonzie breaks up the righty/lefty/strikeout problem by batting fifth and should have 100 RBIs easy. Plus then he's protected by Jeromy. If Jay Payton doesn't give us miminum 280/20/80 in this lineup then its time to go. Rey is Rey and hopefully can bat 250 with a gold glove. Batting ninth is Ron Darling of course.
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Okay, Masked One, I like your logic. Ron Darling would of course be key to a potent Met lineup. However, I miss the prodigious Home Run power of Rick Aguilera. Before he screwed it up by growing that beard and becoming Mr. Closer Guy, he was always a threat to lift one to the warning track! :-)



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Rick Aguilera should say a prayer every night for that Game 6 miracle in 86...otherwise he'd be responsible for the red sox winning the world series. On a side note, about half the people i know who were watching the game that night shut it off after Boston scored to make it 5-3
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Yeah, it's so weird. My roommate was at the game with his parents. They were at Shea. And they LEFT!!! Morons... they're riding back to Long Island as a miracle is taking place. Wow.
I remember having to watch it in my room because my folks turned off the TV in the living room and didn't want to see the end. But, I had to watch. If there was ever a team that made the improbable victory possible, it was the Mets in '86, especially in the postseason. I didn't feel exactly confident, but I wouldn't have left my room if it were on fire that night. And when I start yelling after Carter gets the single, my mom stands at the doorway, not watching the tv, and I'm giving her the play by play... I got to play Bob Murphy for the parents that night. On a personal note, that kind of made the Series that much more special, me being able to tell my parents the Mets had won Game 6... ah, good times, good times.



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As a Mets fan, I'd go like this:

1. Alomar 2b
2. Alfonzo 3b
3. Vaughn 1b
4. Piazza c
5. Burnitz rf
6. Cedeno lf
7. Payton cf
8. Ordonez ss

Cedeno sixth... am I nuts? Well, he was TERRIBLE last season... absolutely terrible. Plus I would much rather be stealing bases in front of guys who might at best hit singles than in front of guys who are gonna hit homers. The steals are much more useful then, and the caught stealings much less harmful.

If Cedeno hits like he did for the Mets in '99, THEN he should lead off. Cedeno '99 was a terrific leadoff man. But you don't know that that will happen again, and since you already have two excellent top of the order hitters in Alomar & Alfonzo, the Mets IMO have the luxury of not having to count on it.

I do think it made sense for the Mets to play for this season... when your franchise player is a 33 year old catcher, and you have virtually no young talent, it doesn't make sense to play it any other way. Hopefully it'll work. I don't think they are better than the Braves, but luckily, they don't have to be anymore to make the playoffs.



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If Cedeno reverts back to 99..(which I think he will bc of Bobby Valentine) I think Phil Garner should get a LOT of credit. If he wasn't a shitty manager and didn't suspend Cedeno for the last 20 games or so his salary is a lot higher and the Mets would not have gotten him. I also think he HAS to leadoff. Alomar was a leadoff guy six, seven years ago but not anymore. Over the past couple of years he's turned into one of the best #3 guys in baseball.

That said, these numbers aren't bad for the system Roger was in and the amount of games he had.

131 games
523 AB
293 BA
337 OB
396 SlG
79 runs
153 hits
14 doubles
11 triples - led league
6 HRs
48 RBIs
55 sb - led league
15 cs
36 bb
83 K





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I don't really see much difference between the '99 Cedeno and the present Cedeno. Sure his batting average was better this year, but it's not like it was horrible in '99. He did have 10 more stolen bases, but the rest of his stats are pretty much the same. He had less doubles last year, but more triples last year. He lowered his walks last year from '99, but also lowered his strikeouts. So i don't see much different, and in '99 he DID play most of his games battig 6th (or maybe it was 7th) because they had Rickey that season. I don't think it matters if Cedeno or Alomar bats first. Either way Alfonzo, Piazza, Vaughn will be knocking them in a lot.



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The difference between the .398 OBP in '99 and the .339 last year is what concerns me. That is a huge falloff, in the critical stat for a leadoff guy. If Cedeno's gonna lead off... and if Alomar is around .400 OBP (he will be) and Alfonzo is around the same (Lord willing, he will be)... then Cedeno really needs to be doing better than .339 if he's gonna be hitting leadoff. I do agree that the batting order doesn't make a ton of difference in the long run, and I definitely agree that Cedeno is hitting leadoff no matter what I think :-) Hopefully, Cedeno has a great year and it isn't even an issue.



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