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|  #1 Posted on 6.1.03 2232.08 | Instant Rating: 0.00 | The NFL admit today that the mooched field goal turned into pass to a offensive tackle should have been a pass interference call which would have given the Giants another shot t the field goal with no time at a closer spot instead of the ineligable man downfield penalty.
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| #2 Posted on 6.1.03 2259.22 | That's very interesting. I was saying that same thing to my dad and cousin right after the game. Then when they explained that a pass interference didn't matter since the receiver was an ineligible lineman, I thought that made pretty good sense.
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| #3 Posted on 6.1.03 2315.51 | Hmm...I also heard the NFL Prime Time crew (not to mention Buck, Aikman, and Colinsworth) noting that the penalties would have offset anyway. Was that a bad call on their part?
What IS the official rule? Would an ineligible lineman downfield offset a pass interference penalty?
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| #4 Posted on 7.1.03 0025.09 | Instant Rating: 5.22 |
Originally posted by It's False
Hmm...I also heard the NFL Prime Time crew (not to mention Buck, Aikman, and Colinsworth) noting that the penalties would have offset anyway. Was that a bad call on their part?
What IS the official rule? Would an ineligible lineman downfield offset a pass interference penalty?
It's the old offensive penalty + defensive penalty = replay of down scenario. It doesn't seem to make a difference if the yardage involved is different (in this case, 5 for the ineligible lineman vs. 15 for the pass interference). Luckily, this would also have prevented the 10 second run-off that's required with a purely offensive penalty in the last two minutes of the game, which would have ended the game anyhow.
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| #5 Posted on 7.1.03 0108.50 | Instant Rating: 4.05 | Originally posted by The 5th Horseman
That's very interesting. I was saying that same thing to my dad and cousin right after the game. Then when they explained that a pass interference didn't matter since the receiver was an ineligible lineman, I thought that made pretty good sense.
So, I guess there should have been offsetting penalties and replay the down.
me and everyone in my store [we were watching the game at my shop] were watching it and thought the exact same thing...
the league is saying that he reported before the game to the refs saying he is eligible for FG's...
but i blame the snapper for the bad snap,
and blame the holder for not spiking it and trying a longer kick with time on the clock as it was only 3rd down for that atempt, [EDIT!!!!!!!!!!! ESPN says that league rules say that one may not spike the ball unless it was taken from UNDER the center, so long snap and shotgun snaps don't count as "under the center" and can not be spiked...no problem though, he could have chuked it out of bounds, it would be an incomplete pass, or fumble and they would keep possission possibly]
and i also blame the giants defense...that was an awesome come back by the niners and the D should be ashamed of themselves... and how many 2 pt conversions did they allow? 2 out of 3 attempts????
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| #6 Posted on 7.1.03 0630.55 | I'd like to point out that the Giants GM said "but the refs didn't let a 24 point lead slip away."
Sure, the refs missed a call, but the Giants defense got ROLLED for 35 points in the second half.
I thought this was a team sport?
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|  #7 Posted on 7.1.03 0729.58 | They missed the call, that's fine. But what is with the NFL releasing a statement saying "We blew it"? This is the second time this year. Earlier after the Packers/Vikings game they admitted the interference call was wrong.
Do they like all the media to cover the refs instead of the games? That is what happens after statements like this. I was listening to the Buffalo sports station (WGR) last night and the topic of the day was whether the NFL refs should be full-time jobs or stay as part-time like they are now. Instead of people talking about the actual football, they are talking about refs.
The NFL would be better off just shutting up and forgetting about call in games that are over. Review them internally, but for heavens sake don't send out press releases about them...
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| #8 Posted on 7.1.03 0818.43 | Instant Rating: 0.00 | Ever notice how old the refs are? It makes you wonder if there is some sort of training program for people to take their places.
Anyway, the Giants GM is correct. The refs didn't let a 24 point lead slip away. You can blame one bad call but it was a series of bad plays and missed opportunities that led up to that moment.
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| #9 Posted on 7.1.03 0919.37 | Instant Rating: 7.02 | [EDIT!!!!!!!!!!! ESPN says that league rules say that one may not spike the ball unless it was taken from UNDER the center, so long snap and shotgun snaps don't count as "under the center" and can not be spiked...
How the hell does that work? All a spike is is a real short incomplete pass. How can there be a rule about what kind of snap you need in order to through an inmcomplete pass? I mean, I understand the rationale behind it, but how do they distinguish a "spike" from any other incomplete pass?
Do they count it as grounding or something?
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| #10 Posted on 7.1.03 0929.31 |
Originally posted by MoeGates
[EDIT!!!!!!!!!!! ESPN says that league rules say that one may not spike the ball unless it was taken from UNDER the center, so long snap and shotgun snaps don't count as "under the center" and can not be spiked...
How the hell does that work? All a spike is is a real short incomplete pass. How can there be a rule about what kind of snap you need in order to through an inmcomplete pass? I mean, I understand the rationale behind it, but how do they distinguish a "spike" from any other incomplete pass?
Do they count it as grounding or something?
Yes, a spike in that situation would have been intentional grounding. To be an incomplete pass, there would have had to be an intended receiving target. I'm waiting for Collinsworth, Jimmy Johnson, etc to issue a public apology for ragging on the holder for not spiking the ball when it wasn't really an option.
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| #11 Posted on 7.1.03 1007.26 | Instant Rating: 0.00 | About the only thing the holder could have done (AFAIK) would have been to take the bobbled snap, move out of the pocket, and zing a quick pass out of bounds past the line of scrimmage. Whether he had time to do all of that is left as an exercise for the reader; given that it took a couple of seconds for the play to develop (bad snap, bobble, bobble, get up and run, and by then the clock was nearly at zero), I doubt it.
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| #12 Posted on 7.1.03 1117.04 | Instant Rating: 6.41 |
From what I understand, the three legal scenarios were:
1. The holder falls on the ball and calls Timeout.
2. The holder rolls out of the tacklebox and throws the ball out of bounds.
3. The holder throws the ball in the direction of an eligible receiver, which actually includes the kicker.
And, from what I understand, the NFL does "quietly" apologize to teams all the time for ref error. Remember the time it happened to the Steelers three times in one season? This I believe is the first time they just issues a press release about the situtation, probably due to it being a playoff game and all the public brouhaha surrounding the game.
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| #13 Posted on 7.1.03 1211.32 | I think it's so representative of the poor job of officiating the NFL has had this past year. Gosh, they're almost getting as bad as wrestling refs!
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| #14 Posted on 7.1.03 1448.40 | According to TMQ, it turns out the lineman had been declared eligible. The officials, along with the NY coaching staff, just forgot.
Now THAT'S bushleague, CFL-style.
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|  #15 Posted on 7.1.03 1517.35 | If the officials had called this right and the Giants had gone on to win it would have to have been the single most stupid penalty I've seen conceded by a defenceman since ooooh Browns/Chiefs in week 1. Seriously what the f*ck was the guy thinking? The ball wasnt going in the end zone and there wa no time on the clock. The game was over.
Dunno if you can say the giants would have won it though had the call been made. They had already botched 2 kicks of 40ish yards and it wasnt like the pressure was decreasing or the crowd was gonna quiet down for them.
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| #16 Posted on 7.1.03 1536.27 |
Originally posted by raygun
According to TMQ, it turns out the lineman had been declared eligible. The officials, along with the NY coaching staff, just forgot.
Now THAT'S bushleague, CFL-style.
The lineman they threw the ball to WAS eligible, there was another one that was ineligible.
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| #17 Posted on 7.1.03 1610.59 |
Originally posted by Cactus Adam
Anyway . . . the NFL didn't screw the Giants . . . the Giants screwed the Giants. (You knew someone would have to relate this back to wrestling!)
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Yeah, the ref screwed up. But the Giants should have tried to, ya know, play defense when they were up by 24. You don't let them catch the ball, hoping to minimize YAC's. STOP LETTING THEM MOVE THE BALL. -_- Besides, like odessasteps said, they could have done three things after the bad snap to get another shot! Fall on the snap, and sure, it's a couple more yards, but then you get a nice, centered spot--and another shot at the FG.
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| #18 Posted on 8.1.03 0927.59 | They should have made the earlier FG to make it 41-33 - the special teams choked, the defense choked and the jints coaching staff choked - take the loss and learn from it - otherwise may I suggest a nice camembert to go with the incessant whine......
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| #19 Posted on 8.1.03 0950.26 | Now an assemblyman from New Jersey is threatening to Sue teh league for lost revenue.
Lost revenue? how was the city going to make any more revenue, the giants weren't going to play any home games, unless they were to beat the Bucs and the Falcons were to beat the Eagles. Shouldn't this guy have something better to due with taxpayer dollers?
Edit: The guy is from New Jersey not New York, kinda like the Giants, and spelling but Im sure I missed some.
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| #20 Posted on 8.1.03 1540.03 | Instant Rating: 4.05 |
Originally posted by brick
Now an assemblyman from New Jersey is threatening to Sue teh league for lost revenue.
Lost revenue? how was the city going to make any more revenue, the giants weren't going to play any home games, unless they were to beat the Bucs and the Falcons were to beat the Eagles. Shouldn't this guy have something better to due with taxpayer dollers?
Edit: The guy is from New Jersey not New York, kinda like the Giants, and spelling but Im sure I missed some.
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that's silly
it's like me sueing the Ball Coach for losing those 9 games, because if they won them, the Skins would be in the playoffs, and we lost revenus because of that....
just plain silly.
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