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I just read that French development company Infogrames renamed itself worldwide at Atari. It is nice to know that the name Atari may be a brand name for today's consoles, if only for nostalgia's sake. I'm not sure if people still give Atari the stigma of "old games", but then older gamers who grew up on Atari would have little to do with modern gaming as it is.

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#2 Posted on
Yea, but itís French, we all hate the French now. Who the hell will buy that??? What the hell do the French know about games anyway??? All they know is food, wine and hairiness. What kind of games could they possibly make???



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#3 Posted on
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    Originally posted by cokeman
    Yea, but itís French, we all hate the French now. Who the hell will buy that??? What the hell do the French know about games anyway??? All they know is food, wine and hairiness. What kind of games could they possibly make???


Don't forget, they know soccer.



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#4 Posted on
They will probably produce a wrestling game where Albert is the most powerful character?

Can a company just decide to call themselves Atari or did they buy the rights /old Atari company or something?
Or are they Atari renamed into Infogrames back into Atari?

I remember seeing some games last year that had a Atari logo upon starting up (Never Winter NIghts comes to mind??) so who made those?!



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Infogrames bought out Atari a year or so ago, and apparently had been planning to rebrand ever since. Makes sense. What does Infogrames mean, anyway?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    Infogrames bought out Atari a year or so ago, and apparently had been planning to rebrand ever since. Makes sense. What does Infogrames mean, anyway?

"Info" from INFOrmation
"grames" from proGRAMES


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    Originally posted by cokeman
    Yea, but itís French, we all hate the French now. Who the hell will buy that??? What the hell do the French know about games anyway??? All they know is food, wine and hairiness. What kind of games could they possibly make???


They've put out a new game to tie in with the latest Matrix flix.

So...French or not, they've got a few good liceness. Maybe their hoping Atari doesn't sound so French?







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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by JALman
    I'm not sure if people still give Atari the stigma of "old games", but then older gamers who grew up on Atari would have little to do with modern gaming as it is.



Actually, you'd probably be surprised. There are quite a few 30-somethings on this board and some of us are still into game systems. My first system was an Atari 2600 clone made by Sears (thanks Mom and Dad!) and my most recent system is the X-Box. Granted, I won't likely change out of nostalgia, but I do find it interesting that the brand is being revived.
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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by Rudoublesedoublel

      Originally posted by JALman
      I'm not sure if people still give Atari the stigma of "old games", but then older gamers who grew up on Atari would have little to do with modern gaming as it is.



    Actually, you'd probably be surprised. There are quite a few 30-somethings on this board and some of us are still into game systems. My first system was an Atari 2600 clone made by Sears (thanks Mom and Dad!) and my most recent system is the X-Box. Granted, I won't likely change out of nostalgia, but I do find it interesting that the brand is being revived.


Yeah, that line threw me for a loop, too. I had Atari back in the day, and am still into video games, as are most of my friends.

Not a 30-something, though I'm creeping up on it.



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Well, consider that I'm 29 and I'm the reason that there is a video games forum here in the first place... I think you have underestimated the "older gamers".

My first system was a 2600 - I didn't get a Nintendo until 1988. We bought our 2600 in... I believe it was 80 or 81? That's a pretty big chunk of my childhood. I have a lot of fond memories of the Atari 2600.

Considering that I've probably spent over $1000 in systems and games in the last few years, they are pretty smart to tie into a brand that I have good memories of. It's certainly not going to hurt them - it's been long enough since the Jaguar came out that people probably don't associate Atari with failure still.



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I'm in agreement with Guru on this one. If they can market toward those of us who grew up on Atari (mine was stolen in 1984, I've since replaced it), yet are still gamers, they'll do fine.

The company had some problems in the past, but the brand is in no way dead. Just look at the amount of Atari logo/old school game merchandise in your average Hot Topic (or equivalent mall-based one-stop-pop-culture-shop).



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I have an Atari 2600 at my apartment that has a SuperCharger plugged into it. I can digitize the majority of 2K and 4K Atari ROM images into .WAV format, throw the images into the SuperCharger via an audio cable and play them on my TV.

I am thus using a Pentium-133 as a file server for an Atari 2600. No, I don't take my old-school gaming seriously. (There are newer gadgets that transfer ROM images more efficiently, but I haven't invested in one yet.)

My problem with relying on the Atari trademark is that while the name is rich with history, the name in and of itself won't make me buy their games. If they're trading on nostalgia, they'll either repackage and emulate the old games on new systems (and you can only buy the same game so many times before the novelty wears off), or "update" the old classics... and need I say how rarely updates capture what was fun about the original? My list of Atari remakes that surpassed the originals begins and ends with one -- Tempest 2000 on the Jaguar. (And ONLY on the Jaguar -- Tempest X3 on the PSX wasn't the same, and the Saturn version was atrocious.)

And if they're marketing new games that have no relation to the classics, they're Just Another Game Company until the quality of their games is demonstrated.

I wish 'em well, but it's a long road ahead...








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#13 Posted on
    Originally posted by cokeman
    Yea, but itís French, we all hate the French now. Who the hell will buy that??? What the hell do the French know about games anyway??? All they know is food, wine and hairiness. What kind of games could they possibly make???
Splashdown is an example of an Infogrames "Atari"-branded product, amongst others, and it was Infogrames that released the "Atari Anniversary" set. Those were two of their first Atari-branded titles. So they've actually controlled the brand for awhile already.

Basically, it's a company that had absolutely nothing to do with Atari, calling itself Atari. But that's been true about every owner of Atari for probably fifteen years now.

As long as they put out some "classics" editions once in awhile (maybe one with Red Baron, Food Fight, Kangaroo, and a Paperboy that will actually work on PS2) I'll be happy.

(edited by Mr Heel II on 11.5.03 0037)


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#14 Posted on
Yeah, nostalgia isn't the only appeal for classic consoles. I mean, I just turned 22, and I still love out ColecoVision (which is almost the same age). I think we even have a Super Cobra handheld around here... and it STILL WORKS.



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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Well, consider that I'm 29 and I'm the reason that there is a video games forum here in the first place... I think you have underestimated the "older gamers".

    My first system was a 2600 - I didn't get a Nintendo until 1988. We bought our 2600 in... I believe it was 80 or 81? That's a pretty big chunk of my childhood. I have a lot of fond memories of the Atari 2600.

    Considering that I've probably spent over $1000 in systems and games in the last few years, they are pretty smart to tie into a brand that I have good memories of. It's certainly not going to hurt them - it's been long enough since the Jaguar came out that people probably don't associate Atari with failure still.



Yeah, I may have underestimated the older Wiener gamers. Personally, I consider "old gamers" to be 35-40 plus, but if any of you are still playing games, that's cool w/me. I didn't mean to insult or rile up anyone.

(As a 20 year old, some of my earliest memories of video games was trying to get the Atari 2600 to work on my parent's old TV)

When I thought about Atari, I also thought about how the brand fared under Hasbro's ownership. The updated Frogger may have been a mild hit, but nothing great happened after that for Hasbro.

I am glad, though, that Atari is still an active brand. I was a bit perplexed and perhaps saddened when Atari Games (different company, split w/Atari hardware) was renamed Midway Games West. Come to think about it, this may have something to do w/some Atari games being released on PSX and DC as Midway's Greatest Hits awhile back.

I read about the Jaguar and Lynx when both were sold at (some?) retail stores. From what I've read, the Jaguar controller was stiff and had a keypad. I also wondered how Lynx's "left-hand" controls worked.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by JALman
    When I thought about Atari, I also thought about how the brand fared under Hasbro's ownership. The updated Frogger may have been a mild hit, but nothing great happened after that for Hasbro.


And even there, you've hit on a sore spot for old-timers.

The original Frogger remake was a shining example of what can go _wrong_ when updating a classic. They jacked up the graphics, added powerups, threw in mini-games, created new levels, and completely forgot to ask two important questions:

"Does it look and feel anything like the original?"
"Is it half as much fun to play as the original?"

(That would be "no" and "no." Awkward camera angles, sluggish controls and uninspired level designs negated the simple, repetitive, addictive charm of the original.)

The sequel, Swampy's Revenge, was quite a bit better, as if they'd listened to the criticism and focused more on gameplay. So what came next? They made the frog HUMANOID and put him in a series of scrolling platform adventure games. The new games weren't even in the same genre as the original, but they used the name-value of the franchise as a selling point anyway, and while some parents buying games for their kids might've been fooled, nobody else was.

Ditto for most of the other repackagings that Hasbro attempted -- Centipede. Breakout. Galaga. Missile Command. 3-D scrolling Pac-adventures. Q*Bert. Pong. PONG! It's the single simplest concept in gaming history -- how do you screw up PONG?

I refer to the syndrome as "Acclaim-itis," because they've suffered from it for years; they spend more money and time acquiring attractive name-brand license rights than they do in R&D building games worthy of the name. A pity.




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Hey, I like Pac Man World 2. Ms. Pac man Maze madness was pretty sweet too.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Hey, I like Pac Man World 2. Ms. Pac man Maze madness was pretty sweet too.


True on the latter (I haven't played Pac-Man World 2), but Maze Madness wasn't a Hasbro conversion -- it was from Namco. It also stuck to time-honored dot-gobbling gameplay with a few puzzles and extras thrown in, thus adding to the credence of my theories.




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Pac Man World 2 has become my "I have 15 minutes to play video games" choice recently. I picked it up for $17.99 for the cube off of ebgames.com - but the greatest hits is only $19.99 at most places for the PS2. I prefer the Gamecube version - it loads 5x faster in my experience (I may have had a really shitty copy of the PS2 version though - it was a rental).



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