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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.10
Tomorrow is the launch of the new DC Universe. Geoff Johns and Jim Lee's Justice League #1 goes on sale, kicking off the big relaunch DC is gambling its foreseeable future on. Comic stores will be open at midnight for the release of JL #1. As I will be out and about this evening, perhaps my plans may include a late night visit to a local comic book retail establishment.

Newsarama has a nice wrap up (newsarama.com) of the main things to expect from the new look DC Universe.

Incidentally, I attended the final DC panel hosted by Dan DiDio on the last day of Comic Con. There was a deluge of people lining up to ask him questions, many of which he dodged or rebuffed. Some were good questions, some were just angry bitching by people who wanted to angrily bitch. My buddy was the former; he got in line and asked:

"If Superman only debuted five years ago, how is it possible Batman already had four Robins, with Dick Grayson now full grown and a ten year old son as the current Robin?"

DiDio dodged the question, but when the panel concluded we walked up to him to say hello and thank him for moderating the panel. He recognized my friend from his question and it turned out he actually wanted to answer it. DiDio pulled us aside and said that the answer is Superman and the other Superheroes debuted five years ago but Batman had been operating for years before that, and he's considered an urban myth. Bruce Wayne is about 4-5 years older than Clark Kent.

While his answer brings forth even more logical questions of how that makes sense - still, four Robins in less than ten years? And how could no one prove Batman and the Robins existed for all that time until Batman chose to "go public" - I was still impressed DiDio gave us a few moments of his time to personally address our question.

Anyway, I wish DC well. I hope this new initiative works out for them.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
Dick - 4 years
Jason - 1 year
Tim - 4 years
Damien - 1 year

That isn't TOO unreasonable, but there were layoffs in between Dick and Jason and especially Jason and Tim.

I'm gonna give the Bat Titles and Green Lantern a shot, but likely will not be sticking around. Just not interested in a half assed reboot.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.63
Batman's a superbly great crimefighter and all, don't get me wrong, but I think you'd get sick of hanging out with him every night quickly.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
If you think of Batman as a high powered executive (which he also is) and Robin as his Administrative Assistant... years is a very very long time to put up with his shit.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.10
Here's what I thought of Justice League #1 (backofthehead.com)

Short version: It's pretty good. For what it is.

(edited by John Orquiola on 31.8.11 1035)


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Nice of Dido to do that considering the amount of hate mail he must be getting. Minus the Krypton Armor, the one thing that begs me is the GL Corp. not knowing Apokolipse technology. Darkseid is the terror of the universe and you would think the people who fight terror would know this. Stealing from Cosmic Odyssey is not a bad idea since its one of my favorite DC stories. I might give it a peak the next time I am in, but I am not sold on this reboot stuff.

As for the many Robins in Batman's life. Dick was 15 or 14 when his parents died, so in 3 or 4 years he is off to college where he becomes Nightwing and we get Jason. I don't think Jason lasted more than six months and a month later we get Tim. As far as Damien goes, I have no idea. I refuse to believe Batman is an urban legend when he goes up against Ras Al Ghul. The dude calls him the world's greatest detective, so Batman has to be a little more famous than an myth. I have no idea how you are going to explain Babs' Batgirl in all of this.

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.10
    Originally posted by lotjx
    the one thing that begs me is the GL Corp. not knowing Apokolipse technology. Darkseid is the terror of the universe and you would think the people who fight terror would know this.


After my initial "Huh?" reaction, I thought it was interesting. Because Apokolips and New Genesis aren't in "our" universe. The Fourth World can't be reached by conventional means like space flight; it requires a Boom Tube. And if this is "the beginning" of things, I like the idea of discovering Darkseid and Apokolips - and it stands to reason then New Genesis and the rest of the New Gods - exist.

Nothing pissed me off reading Justice League #1 (that I didn't already know about like Superman's armor and GLOWING RED EYES.) So I call that a win.



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I think we can expect a lot, if not most, of these new #1's to be playing the long game. Setting the table for not just whole runs, but entire the basis of a character. So, for me, I won't be judging things based off of the first issue. I'll probably take a look at the first arc or two before rendering a judgment.



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No mention of Flashpoint #5? Johns making Bary Allen a psudo-Paralax era Hal Jordan by causing the whole mess to begin with? It wasn't that bad. Who was the mystery woman/Superboy punch-esque character that will eventually help fix everything back to normal? Well, the art did look rushed.

As for Justice League #1, don't forget that this story takes place in the past and the rest of the books coming next week will be current. I didn't see it saying how far back the story takes place though. "Jim Lee's art" did look half bad. I use the quotes because I doubt it was all Jim Lee's work. He has helpers.

I've already plunked down $100 for all the #1s. I'm a sucker like that.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.40
As far as negative reviews of Justice League #1 go, the review by Professor Challenger (aintitcool.com) is the best one I've read. He makes some good points. And I definitely agree about Batman still being an asshole in the New DCU. The more things change, the more they stay the same.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by lotjx


    As for the many Robins in Batman's life. Dick was 15 or 14 when his parents died, so in 3 or 4 years he is off to college where he becomes Nightwing and we get Jason. I don't think Jason lasted more than six months and a month later we get Tim. As far as Damien goes, I have no idea. I refuse to believe Batman is an urban legend when he goes up against Ras Al Ghul. The dude calls him the world's greatest detective, so Batman has to be a little more famous than an myth. I have no idea how you are going to explain Babs' Batgirl in all of this.

    (edited by lotjx on 31.8.11 1015)


I think it was a lot longer than a month after Jason died. Bruce would not have even considered another Robin.

Why does going up against Ras meant Batman can't be an Urban Legend? Ras ain't exactly a well known public figure like the Joker would be. As for him calling him the world's greatest detective, that's just his personal belief.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.40
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    No mention of Flashpoint #5? Johns making Bary Allen a psudo-Paralax era Hal Jordan by causing the whole mess to begin with? It wasn't that bad. Who was the mystery woman/Superboy punch-esque character that will eventually help fix everything back to normal? Well, the art did look rushed.



For anyone who doesn't want to buy/read Flashpoint #5 (that'd be me), here's an explanation of how the old DC Universe ended that left me saying "Wha--?!"

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/08/31/faq-dc-comics-new-52/



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New Cosmic Mystery Girl reminds me of Roma from Marvel. She had ties to Captain Britain and revived the X-Men in Dallas during the Mutant Massacre.

She had the handy Siege Perilous that would reboot folks who hopped through. That's how Carol Danvers finally split from Rogue and Psylocke became no longer British.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.40
This debate pro and con about Justice League #1 (comicsalliance.com) feels like very conversation I had in my head yesterday, before I leaned towards taking it easy on the New DCU and seeing how it plays out.

But man, do I miss un-decompressed comic books. The decompressed style of comics is what I would cite, even more than poor creative, as the number one reason I don't collect monthly comics. It's just not economically justifiable to me to pay $3+ a month for incomplete pieces of a story being written for the trade. But that's just me and my preferences.

If I had one wish for the new DC paradigm, it would be to return to denser storytelling per issue that tells complete stories even as chapters in larger stories. That's the style of comics I grew up with when they were 60 cents to $1.25 an issue in my peak collecting years.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
People should read Tom Spurgeon's article about the Reheat.

http://comicsreporter.com/

"fan fiction death orgy" perfectly encapsulates the mindset of those in charge and why the Reheat does not deserve patronage.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    This debate pro and con about Justice League #1 (comicsalliance.com) feels like very conversation I had in my head yesterday, before I leaned towards taking it easy on the New DCU and seeing how it plays out.

    But man, do I miss un-decompressed comic books. The decompressed style of comics is what I would cite, even more than poor creative, as the number one reason I don't collect monthly comics. It's just not economically justifiable to me to pay $3+ a month for incomplete pieces of a story being written for the trade. But that's just me and my preferences.

    If I had one wish for the new DC paradigm, it would be to return to denser storytelling per issue that tells complete stories even as chapters in larger stories. That's the style of comics I grew up with when they were 60 cents to $1.25 an issue in my peak collecting years.

While I don't long for the comics of the 70s and 80s that were so dense that it takes 30 minutes to read them, I do wish we could have something closer to the middle.

That being said, I did read JL #1 and really liked it, but it mostly felt like it was setting up a much bigger story. The good part is, I like where it is going. Love him of hate him, and I love him, Jim Lee killed it.




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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.90
I would probably take Comics Alliance review seriously if Chris Simms didn't feel the need to take a dump on the Burton Batman films and then proclaim that Batman&Robin was the best film of pre-Nolan era. I also think all the hate on Hal Jordan screams of internet douche baggery due to the film tanking even tough it did make money. He is very much wrong that we need to see the League together right now. If this is going to be the foundation of the DCU for the years to come coughsixmonthscough then they need to start with step one. Even though I disagree with him on that, I see a lot of wasted potential in all of this.

(edited by lotjx on 1.9.11 1558)


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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.40
    Originally posted by kentish

    While I don't long for the comics of the 70s and 80s that were so dense that it takes 30 minutes to read them...


Why not? Don't like getting your money's worth?

Comics are not movies or TV shows. They are simply not; I never bought the theory that they should be "cinematic" or serve as "storyboards" for potential movies down the line.

I think of it this way: It's like trying to watch an episode of Smallville and paying $3 for one act of it per month so that it takes five months and $15 to see the entire episode. Nobody in their right mind would do that! But comics have been getting their fans to do the equivalent for years.

On a different note, I completely forgot* the Justice League Retrospective: The 90s issue by Giffen and DeMatteis came out last week. I've hit two stores and they're sold out. Anyone read it?

* One of the reasons I forgot is because calling a Giffen and DeMatteis Retrospective book "The 90s" is a misnomer. Giffen and DeMatteis' League began in 1987. "Breakdowns", which ended their run, happened in 1991. Hardly representative of "the 90s". When I think of "the 90s" League, I think of Morrison and Porter.

(edited by John Orquiola on 1.9.11 1458)

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by Cerebus
      No mention of Flashpoint #5? Johns making Bary Allen a psudo-Paralax era Hal Jordan by causing the whole mess to begin with? It wasn't that bad. Who was the mystery woman/Superboy punch-esque character that will eventually help fix everything back to normal? Well, the art did look rushed.



    For anyone who doesn't want to buy/read Flashpoint #5 (that'd be me), here's an explanation of how the old DC Universe ended that left me saying "Wha--?!"

    http://www.comicsalliance.com/​2011/​08/​31/​faq-​dc-​comics-​new-​52/​


I call bullshit. The "Four Dimensional Time Shift" sounds to me like magic. Basically writers who want to make crazy changes, but to lazy to do them logically, so this and the Dues Ex Machina Lady are a cheap answer to criticism.

I could suspend disbelief with Barry saving his mom causing a butterfly effect that caused the changes to Batman, but changing the course of Superman and Abin Sur's spaceships??
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.87
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
        Originally posted by Cerebus
        No mention of Flashpoint #5? Johns making Bary Allen a psudo-Paralax era Hal Jordan by causing the whole mess to begin with? It wasn't that bad. Who was the mystery woman/Superboy punch-esque character that will eventually help fix everything back to normal? Well, the art did look rushed.



      For anyone who doesn't want to buy/read Flashpoint #5 (that'd be me), here's an explanation of how the old DC Universe ended that left me saying "Wha--?!"

      http://www.comicsalliance.com/​​2011/​​08/​​31/​​faq-​​dc-​​comics-​​new-​​52/​​


    I call bullshit. The "Four Dimensional Time Shift" sounds to me like magic. Basically writers who want to make crazy changes, but to lazy to do them logically, so this and the Dues Ex Machina Lady are a cheap answer to criticism.

    I could suspend disbelief with Barry saving his mom causing a butterfly effect that caused the changes to Batman, but changing the course of Superman and Abin Sur's spaceships??

And as the article notes, makes Frankenstein defeat Hitler. And somehow makes Barbara Gordon walk again, something that time-traveling Booster Gold couldn't do.



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