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ESPN is reporting that Louisville will join the Big East if the three teams bolt for the ACC.

The iteresting portion of this story is that the Big East would basically be run as a "confederation" of schools into eight basketball schools and eight football schools that would intermingle for hoops. It would be;

Fooball: Connecticut, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Rutgers and Virginia Tech, adding Louisville and two other schools selected by the football schools.(Likely East Carolina, Cincinnati, South Florida or Central Florida. Disappointingly, no Marshall).

Basketball: Providence, Georgetown, Seton Hall, St. John's, Villanova and Notre Dame adding Marquette and Xavier, as selected by the Basketball schools.

The last 16-team conference was the WAC; how long before this blows up?

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How about Florida State to the Big East?

http://espn.go.com/ncaa/news/2003/0611/1566481.html

Apparently the ACC has hit a hangup, as Virginia has unexpectly joined Duke and North Carolina in opposing ACC expansion (I've seen mentioned elsewhere that Virginia's governor may be putting pressure on UVa to help protect Virginia Tech), which means they no longer have the votes to issue invites to Miami, Syracuse, and Boston College.

But why expansion now? Apparently FSU threatened to leave the ACC if they didn't start making something happen. Possiblities include FSU to the SEC (with Arkansas jumping to the Big 12, Baylor being odd team out), and my personal favorite, FSU jumping to the Big East.

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Arkansas is a more natural fit in the Big 12; but so would South Carolina going back to the ACC.

And the Charlotte Observer is reporting that Georgia Tech may go with FSU...



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Arkansas would be a more natural fit in the Big 12, I agree, but if Georgia Tech joins, then things could get dicey. In that case, they could probably drop Vandy, since Tech still has strong graduation rates. I'm unsure how they'd handle the realignment issues, though. Geographically speaking, if both teams join and Vandy's dropped, that would make Florida St. and Tennessee the two western teams in the East conference, something that would be really odd in the long run. Of course, then you could mess around with things a little more and get North/South divisions, but I don't even want to think about that.







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Now rumors (played, in this case, by Andy Katz) have it that the ACC is kicking around the idea of only inviting Miami and petitioning the NCAA to let them hold a conference championship game with just 10 teams. They do that, the Big East will yoink Louisville and then go with the football/basketball divisions they originally had in mind, as a preemptive strike. If this is what happens, then that's fine by me. I'm not too emotionally involved in the Big East as a football conference, but they'd certainly still be viable if they only lost Miami. I dunno about nabbing the other schools, though. Remember the last 16-school conference?



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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Remember the last 16-school conference?

I suppose that in the long run it worked out. The 16 team super-WAC didn't work out in and of itself but the new WAC and the MWC worked out well in the long run.

If the ACC invites only Miami, I'm fine with that even as a Maryland fan. That only adds one team to the mix and preserves the home-and-home basketball schedule. Plus, the Big East still has some great football teams even if they lose Miami. This is the best of all possible plans....



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...except now the ACC's gonna invite Virginia Tech. Fuuuuuuuck. Now who's gonna say no to this? Duke, UNC, and...?



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The article I saw on ESPN said if Virginia Tech goes then the ACC would likely invite UConn to make a 14-team conference with two 7-team divisions in basketball.



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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    The article I saw on ESPN said if Virginia Tech goes then the ACC would likely invite UConn to make a 14-team conference with two 7-team divisions in basketball.


... in that case (should that happen), screw the Big East! Duke, UNC... we must BREAK you.



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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    The article I saw on ESPN said if Virginia Tech goes then the ACC would likely invite UConn to make a 14-team conference with two 7-team divisions in basketball.


That would be sad if UConn left the Big East with out even playing a game in the conf. yet...





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As long as Providence ends up in a basketball oriented conference, I'm happy. I'd rather see Louisville and Xavier in basketball than Miami and Virginia Tech. Of course, I'll be ecstatic if somehow Boston College gets completely screwed over in the course of events, and gets shut out of the ACC and is then booted from the Big East. That would be perfect.



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http://espn.go.com/ncaa/news/2003/0624/1572498.html

ESPN is saying that with a 7-2 yes vote, the ACC will invite Miami and VT ONLY becoming a 11 team conf.

To make it an even 12, I would invite Navy. It would give MD an in-state rival, and give the ACC the magic #12.


(edited by rikidozan on 25.6.03 0211)


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There is absolutely no way that Navy can hang in the ACC. They probably couldn't even hang in the new Big East. Neither Navy or Army can hang for any amount of time(though both of them did go bowling in 1996).

Navy-Maryland annually would be a full on party. But of course, it only took forty years to set up the 2005 game in Baltimore, so I won't hold my breath.



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And now, a moment of silence for the hypocrites on Chestnut Hill that run Boston College. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. If only Notre Dame would now drop them off the football schedule, it would be perfect.
As for the 12th member of the new ACC, I think Louisville would make sense. They have a new football stadium, plus they could be considered an attraction for the basketball schools (which Miami and Virginia Tech won't be in basketball.)



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At this point, all the ACC really needs is a clunker of a school from some other conference to get 12. They've got their football powers, their basketball now has a couple of new guys to get 4 wins from a year, so they just need a sacrificial lamb. Yeah, that does sound like Navy.

An interesting scenario I heard of was C-USA raiding the Big East, not the other way around. That would be entertaining, to say the very least. (Plus, the thought of scheduling a 20-team basketball conference just reeks of enjoyment.)







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From the washingtonpost.com VT's governing board unanimously authorized president Charles Steger to negotiate a deal with the ACC.

What that means is that VT might join the Conference it is now suing.

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EDIT:

A few people IM'ed me, and it would be cool if the ACC could pick up WV or Marshall for team #12. They are both close to the ACC (both are in West Virginia) and have above average teams)

(edited by rikidozan on 26.6.03 0245)


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    Originally posted by rikidozan
    A few people IM'ed me, and it would be cool if the ACC could pick up WV or Marshall for team #12. They are both close to the ACC (both are in West Virginia) and have above average teams)

The ACC won't go after Marshall. There's just not enough there to justify it.

West Virginia, however, is an intriguing option. The problem with that being that I'm not certain the ACC wants West Virginia since it was never part of the rumors to be joining anyway. Of course, all hell could still break loose and they could join.

If West Virginia goes anywhere, I would suspect Conference USA in a Big East defection.



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The only problem with WVU going to the ACC would be they would lose their biggest rivalry- Pittsburgh. I doubt the Big East would allow Pitt to still play one the defectors.

Marshall is too small to go the ACC- plus the only sport they are competitive in is football. They could have had a decent basketball program but the last coach they had was terrible. Their other sports programs really really stink.
If Marshall goes anywhere it would be to Conference USA.



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from espn.com http://espn.go.com/ncaa/news/2003/0626/1573150.html

Notre Dame could be a long shot to join the ACC, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported on Thursday.


Yeah, ND would be a long shot for ANY conf.

I know they're not THAT great in sports, but Rutgers is a great school, and it would be a good in-way to the North east that Miami wanted.



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Virginia Tech is in for sure now, and Miami is deciding on Monday. If they accept, it will be because apparently the ACC poohbahs have assured them that they WILL find a 12th team.

I never thought I'd see Miami or Virginia Tech's ugly-ass basketball uniforms on the same court as the lovely Carolina blue unis.



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