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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4410862

If Rose shouldn't have been in school, take them away and punish them. Too bad Calipari is gone, unless he knew this was coming up, he should be held accountable as well.
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It does amaze me how they punish the schools after the fact and the only ones getting punished our not the students involved. I really do think they need to suspend Caliperia. Its the second time with this crap and the NCAA needs to punish the guilty individual. Plus, taking away these wins are fairly meaningless.
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They're going really hard on this taking away wins punishment thing lately. FSU, Bama, now Memphis. Be interesting to see what happens when the FSU appeal is ruled on finally either later this year or early next.

Honestly in most of these situations it's not much of a punishment anyway. Unless you won a national title, or have a coach going for an all time wins record, what's the harm? Losing scholarships or not being on TV hurts far more.
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Memphis may not get the wins, but they still get the money they made off the wins. Which seems more important.

Does the NCAA have the power to fine schools?



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    Originally posted by thecubsfan


    Does the NCAA have the power to fine schools?


From what I've read, and if wikipedia is to be believed, no.

They can put them on probation, the "Death Penalty" (which they have done once, to SMU's football program), take away scholarships, cancel wins and championships, and ban coaches from the NCAA. A banned coach can work with special permission, but the program is at risk of further sanctions by the NCAA and/or schools that don't want to play against a banned coach, effectively black-balling them and losing revenue from canceled games.

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They can't fine schools, but I think they can force schools to forfeit the money they made during tournament runs.
2 Final Four runs that never occurred for Calipari.
Considering how quickly they investigated Memphis, it makes you wonder what has taken so long in regards to USC, besides of course Memphis is Memphis and Southern Cal Football is Southern Cal Football.
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Okay, so, to continue with the dumb questions: why not cheat if you're a college or university?

You still make the winner's money. Your fans still have the memories of the run - they can vacate the wins in the record book, but it's clearly not perceived like a baseball steroid home run there, the wins themselves aren't tainted to their fans. If the NCAA finds out, and it's clearly an if, it usually years down the road, not enough to stop what you've done that year.

Obviously you can't over do it and lose post season and you don't want to be public about it, but if you can use a faked SAT and get away with it, there's a lot of room to maneuver here.

The NCAA seems more like what people want MLB to do - clean up the records books - but I think MLB is doing a better job of preventative and putative record. To be fair, a drug test works a little faster, but how does it this long to investigate one test?



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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Okay, so, to continue with the dumb questions: why not cheat if you're a college or university?


Because you don't want the death penalty and be another SMU football program. It's been 22 years since they got hit with the death penality stemming "from 1985 to 1986, 13 players had been paid a total of $61,000 from a slush fund provided by a booster. Payments ranged from $50 to $725 a month, and had started only a month after SMU had been slapped with its latest probation." (Wikipedia)

    Originally posted by wikipedia
    "The most serious violation was the maintenance of a slush fund used for "under the table" payments to players from the mid-1970s through 1986."


So, for about 10 years of cheating, SMU got:

* The 1987 season was canceled; only conditioning drills would be permitted during the 1987 calendar year.
* All home games in 1988 were canceled. SMU was allowed to play their seven regularly scheduled away games so that other institutions would not be financially affected.
* The team's existing probation was extended until 1990. Its existing ban from bowl games and live television was extended to 1989.
* SMU lost 55 new scholarship positions over 4 years.
* SMU was required to ensure that Owen and eight other boosters previously banned from contact with the program were in fact banned, or else face further punishment.
* The team was only allowed to hire five full-time assistant coaches, instead of the typical nine.
* No off-campus recruiting would be permitted until August 1988, and no paid visits could be made to campus by would-be recruits until the start of the 1988-89 school year.

Because of the impact to the program and the exodus of players to other programs, SMU canceled the 1988 season as well.

Because of other related scandals, the SWC (which at one point had 6 of 9 schools on probation) disbanded in '96 leading to the formation of the Big 12, which considers itself separate from the Big 8.

Once a football powerhouse, Since 1989 (the last 20 seasons), SMU has had a record of 58-153-3 (w/ only 1 winning season and no bowls). In the 7 seasons before the death penalty (1980-1986) they went 61-19-1 with 5 bowl games (including 2 in the 1983 season beating Houston in Tokyo in the Mirage bowl on 11/26, then losing to Alabama in the Sun Bowl on X-mas eve), 3 SWC titles and almost got their 2nd "National Championship" in 1982 going 11-0-1.


Click Here (en.wikipedia.org) for an interesting read about the scandal and fallout.

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