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Since: 4.1.02
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#1 Posted on
With all the talk about Nash, Hall, Hogan and the inevitable return of the (grrr...)nWo, why not talk about a group of guys that can actually do something good for pro wrestling? That's right... If the Four Horsemen were to return soon, what do you think the perfect lineup would be? I'd love to see Double-A and Ric Flair acting as managers/consultants (like JJ Dillon) with an active line-up of Steve Austin, Chris Benoit, and the greatest tag team of all time... Billy and Chuck! Just kidding obout Billy and Chuck (though I'd love to see the interaction with THAT one!). Seriously; Austin, Benoit, Booker T and RVD. Austin as the franchise, RVD as the #2 guy, and Booker T and Benoit as the resident tag team. Before anyone bitches, Booker T and Benoit have all the makings of a great tag team, in fact they mirror many of the circumstances of my all-time favorite team, The Fabulous Ones (Stan Lane/Steve Keirn). They had a kick ass feud, they both have previous tag team experience (and the gold to prove it) and neither one is involved with... ANYTHING right now. Those four men (Austin, Benoit, RVD and Booker T) could be the greatest incarnation of the 4H ever. What do you think?



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Since: 2.1.02
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#2 Posted on
As good as it would be it wouldn't make any sense for these guys to team together.
My idea: Start new original stables. I think it seems like they start to make new ones and then just drop it. Look at "RECK", the former alliance guys or Jericho, Christian, Storm, and Test (where the hell has he been). Of course the last two could still form stables but they're not consistent with them.



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Since: 22.1.02
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#3 Posted on
I'm split on this. I would like to see some classic groups return (though, not for a long-time run), like The Four Horsemen, The Fabulous Freebirds, The Revolution, nWo, DX, The Natural Born Thrillers not name a few. As long as it's formal(with a name and an identity).
But, brand new stables would be cool. I like to see a group that has a unique attitude and purpose. There really hasn't been much in actual stable action like that in a long time. RTC is the most recent formal stable I can recall, but I'm most likely wrong. (Besides, they sucked)
I feel that we WILL be seeing more stables, as a way to get as much of the bigger roster as much air time as possible, regardless of a split...





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Since: 23.1.02
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#4 Posted on
Originally posted by MIXXMASTER I'm split on this. I would like to see some classic groups return (though, not for a long-time run), like The Four Horsemen, The Fabulous Freebirds, The Revolution, nWo, DX, The Natural Born Thrillers not name a few.

There is no way you are referring to The Revolution and the Natural Born Thrillers as a "classic group". That's an insult to every other group you mentioned.
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Since: 4.1.02
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#5 Posted on
Would be great to see the Horsemen.
I doubt if Austin would be part of it, though nothing is impossible ofcourse (and seeing the current storyline it would make sense)

What I would do is have Flair bring them together and have Arn hang out as mentor.
Chris Benoit as the leader (Giving him this part would solidify his status as main carder imo)
Booker T would be the #2, with perhaps pretty equal status to Benoit.
The tag team could be some good working midcarders.
Storm, Saturn, Christian, Kanyon, you name them..




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Since: 22.1.02
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#6 Posted on
I'm sorry, meant to do two paragraphs, one on classics, and newer, but forgot, oops.
The newer factions I have liked for other reasons, mostly the attitude.





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#7 Posted on
The mention of Team RECK got me thinking- has there ever been a stable (even somewhat unofficial like they were) that has had talent like that top to bottom?

It's of my opinion (and I don't think I'm alone) that they had three good wrestlers and one excellent one... I just can't remember the Horsemen ever being so solid. Seems like there was always some stiff like Ole, Luger, Roma, or Mongo hanging around.


Well... I guess Ric/Arn/Pillman/Benoit weren't bad... but they did NOT reek of awesomeness.



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#8 Posted on
I think that the Hart foundation, even including the Anvil, had at least the same top to bottom talent.. the Anvil, when he was on, was a good middle size-big guy, and from there you have Pillman, Owen, Bret, and Davey.. who were all pretty damn fine in the ring if you ask me.
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#9 Posted on
We're in two seperate places on the Neidhart argument (he is NO Rhyno) but I think a case could be made for the Bret/Owen/Bulldog/Pillman bunch... but Pillman really just wasn't himself after the accident. I was going to point out Bulldog being weak, but I guess he really didn't hit the skids until he packed up for WCW and enjoyed an assload of crappy tag matches.



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Since: 11.1.02
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#10 Posted on
i dont know...... i seem to remember the nWo red, white, and black being packed with talent and major stars... but most people had a lot of hate for them........

nWo wolfpac had hall(unoffical), nash, luger, savage, konnan, and sting.... with the exception of konnan that was a pretty strong group... and every group should have some kind of midcarder/middleweight.....

the Nation?

you had:

Owen
Rock
Godfather
D'lo
Mark Henry

i know i am forgetting someone... who? oh wait... mark henry (added as an edit)... But i remember the nation being really strong......

as for humor... nobody beats DX... shame Shawn wasn't around when the outlaws were... but they had some awesome skits....

and i always thought the hart foundation was an awesome heel group.



are you enjoying the dance of life?.... no?... change the music then.....

edited: spelling, hart foundation post...

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#11 Posted on
nWo wolfpac had hall(unoffical), nash, luger, savage, konnan, and sting.... with the exception of konnan that was a pretty strong group... and every group should have some kind of midcarder/middleweight.....

Oh c'mon Luger and Nash are horrible. I thought you were talking about best stables all around.
I'd have to pick the original DX, except there was only three of them but Chyna was the best woman wrestler (although there was'nt much competition).

and i always thought the hart foundation was an awesome heel group.

The Hart Foundation were faces.



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#12 Posted on
SerWolfe wrote:
> the nation? you had:
>
> Owen
Added as an afterthought, and certainly not pushed hard during his membership.

> Rock
Who was still developing his persona at that point, and hadn't broken out as a star yet.

> Godfather
About as far from being an asset as you can get.

> D'lo
The lightweight of the group, underappreciated and underpushed.

> Mark Henry
This gave him something to do.

At the time, they were a pretty uneven mix. Looking at them now, you have a couple of smaller guys who could go but rarely got pushed (Owen, D'lo), one breakout star, a sucking void in pimp clothes and a flop who's retooling in OVW. Not a terrible average, but not an unrivaled success story, either...






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#13 Posted on
Luger had his fans but unfortunately by the time he joined the wolfpac he was going even more downhill... besides i was talking about star power and being over with the crowd... at the time who was more over than nash?... besides goldberg?

The nation with those 5 members were strong and had a good run at a time when the wwf was still rebounding and DX pretty much was the most over group.



are you enjoying the dance of life?.... no?... change the music then.....

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The Masked Hungarian
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Since: 23.1.02
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#14 Posted on
Best group of all time? 88 Horsemen. Flair WCW Champ, Windham, US Champ and you had Arn and Tully as the tag champs before they jumped. Barry Windham was GREAT back then and its a shame he never made that last step. Luger was also huge way back when after he split from them the first time. Sigh, what might have been.

DX Version 1.0 was just Shawn Michaels with HHH and Chyna as lackeys. Remember the internet HATED HHH way back when.

DX Version 2.0 had a decent HHH, a decent X-Pac and the Outlaws. Funny as shit but not great.

The Hart Foundation was a really good group with Bret on top. But Pillman was done by that point. Owen and Davey were good. Neidhart was just there.

The Nation was like DX Version 2.0, a bunch of midcarders, just not as funny. Although D-Lo repeating everything the Rock said WAS funny.

In my opinion the NWO doesn't count because there was just SO many members, and the groups were never that focused. How could Sting hate those guys for a year and a half, only to join up with Nash? Made no sense, just like WCW.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#15 Posted on
    Originally posted by SerWolfe
    the Nation?

    you had:

    Owen
    Rock
    Godfather
    D'lo
    Mark Henry

    i know i am forgetting someone... who?



Wasn't Farooq in the NOD as well? Anyway, I think that a reformation of the Flock would work better than the Horsemen in the WWF today. I think a fringe group like that could be used to elevate a lot of talent that isn't doing anything right now. What about Raven?!?!!?



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Since: 4.1.02
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#16 Posted on
Yes! Bring back the FLOCK!!! Raven spouting his human thesaurus style rhetoric leading a group of pissed-off midcarders and perpetrating mad beatdowns on all who would dare oppose them! Next to the reformed Horsemen, that's what I'd love to see most!



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#17 Posted on
would you include kane in a new Flock?... there were some posts i saw with that idea....



are you enjoying the dance of life?.... no?... change the music then.....
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Since: 2.1.02
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
I would, that sounds like a cool idea.



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Since: 12.1.02
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#19 Posted on
The Hart Foundation were faces??? What planet do you live on? They were only faces in Canada, we loved them up here!



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Since: 23.1.02
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#20 Posted on
Who said anything about the Hart Foundation being faces???
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