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Since: 3.1.02
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I was perusing the local bookstore with my best friend today, and we both happened upon the magazine section...where I noticed the new issue of RAW Magazine, with Stone Cold Steve Austin on the cover and the caption "Why?" I bought the magazine and read it...and it got me thinking...could the entire walkout be a work?

Several other questions came to mind:
-Who would have to be in on it?
-Why would they do it?
-How would they go upon doing it?
-What would it all lead to?

Who would have to be in on it?
Vince McMahon, Jim Ross, Steve Austin & Debra. That's about it. Since Vince & JR essentially lord over the booking committee, they could easily make up a bullshit cover story to feed to the wrestlers and writers and workers, who in turn would tell the dirtsheets.

Why would they do it?
With television ratings and pay-per-view buyrates sinking like a stone before Austin's departure, the departure of the Rattlesnake combined with the temporary return of The Rock would somewhat stabilize the numbers as Austin's presence would disappear. The WWF braintrust (the evil promoters) would try to brainwash the masses into hating Austin for abandoning them. But absence makes the heart grow fonder...and after months away (recuperating and training for his return), Austin would return...with a vengeance. Quietly at first, striking from the shadows like a wounded animal...gaining momentum. Gaining confidence. Gaining...revenge! For you see, Vince McMahon didn't just screw Austin...he destroyed his life! And now...AUSTIN WANTS REVENGE!

How?
Simple: Yoink Austin from TV, have Debra call police on her husband (it ain't illegal if she doesn't press changes) to create more anti-Austin sentiment and slander his name in all WWF controlled media. Then, sit back and wait. The rest is above.

What would it all lead to?
The return of a new, sleek, angrier Rattlesnake... And the creation of a new mega-super-duper heel when the fandom discovers the the entire thing was a set-up purportated to put Austin away. Why take his body out with a car like Rikishi did...when you can take out his mind, heart and soul?

This is probably all full of wholes...but it's 3:45 and I'm tired and clear on so many things...



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I don't think it is a work, even though your theory is possible. Why would they want to deprive Raw of top shelf talent when it is so deficient in that respect anyway? Also, I think the fans would still be happy to see Austin back asap, I reckon half of them are oblivious to the 'real' reasons why he left anyway and he'd still be a hero on his return and, so, about as impossible to turn heel as he was during the Invasion. I just think the fans wouldn't accept him as a heel and that this doesn't make sense as a set up for a heel turn.



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Didn't we go through this right after he walked out?
If it would be a work after all it's the lamest and most stupid one ever IMO.

But let's go with your idea..
Why would the slander him and make him look like a big asshole (Debra beating) if they could say 'he walked out, shame on him' and nothing else?
There is no need to portray him as an asshole if they want him to return, even if it is in the long run.
Because yes, people might be happy to see him return but others will have changed their mind because of those antics and hate him now.

Who would actually be that heel? Austin?
I am not sure if 'he is back for revenge' makes him a heel.
If you go for a 'you slandered me, now i want payback' deal he is a face.
If you go for 'hahah..i worked you all into believing it was real' kinda deal nobody would accept it and you would be back at the status quo (austin=stale) in two weeks..

Even if this is all planned and let's say Austin will return when it looks like Bischoff is about to take over WWE even then they could have handled the 'Austin leaving' better than by having him beat his wife in the aftermath.


Btw, Freeway420
What do you base your idea on that it might be a work?
Does the magazine imply? Or just the fact that they are trying to make money out of it?


(edited by dMp on 19.7.02 1239)


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#4 Posted on
It's not a work. I don't think they would go to the trouble of removing Austin from the boxart of videogames. No angle is that intricate.

Buuuuuuut, if it was an angle, how cool would it be to see Austin come out during a promo where Bischoff is bragging what a genius he was in his WCW days, Stun him, and tell the story of his firing from WCW.



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#5 Posted on
I think it was supposed to be a work... Vince's jab at the internet. But, when Austin beat up wifey, I think the WWF decided it would be a good idea to give him some time off to get his personal life in order. He will be back before the end of the year, sooner if the GM thing fails.



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#6 Posted on
I coulda sworn that I read this same type of expose on AssWrestling.com when Austin first walked...hmmmmm.....
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You know how Vince is. If someone walks out of the company, he takes the opportunity to shit on them as much as possible. Instead of having foresight, thinking, “Hey, I'd better not burn my bridges because this guy's actually fairly good and I wouldn't mind him working for me again in the future,” he spends a good amount of time trying to bury the man who just left.

It seems to be an ego thing. The same thing happened when Bret Hart left after the '97 Survivor Series. Same thing with Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage, as well. Remember the “match” between The Huckster and The Nacho Man before WrestleMania XI that ended in a no-contest when both men “died” in the ring? Smell the ratings.

Anyway... he does this to all the big stars that have left the WWF. And if other guys like Chris Jericho, The Rock and The Undertaker, for example, were to walk out, I guarantee you that Vince would likely do the same thing to them.

Sometimes, it seems that relationships in the business are very fragile. A man could be your best friend one day and walk out on your company the next day. In a way, the face and heel turns in the ring are a microcosm of what can sometimes happen behind the scenes.

Or maybe I'm looking too much into this. Who knows?

And that, as they say, is that.



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#8 Posted on
Of course Eke, everyone seems to wipe off the shit and come running back to Vince when he dangles a paycheck in front of them. Hogan sure forgot about the Huckster. Nash and Kane probably have good laughs about the fake Diesel. And I firmly believe that if Owen Hart were still alive that he and Bret would both be in WWE. Especially now that he owns everything, Vince can pretty much crap on whomever he wants and give them the options of either babbling to yourself in the desert like Warrior, desperately hoping someone gives you lots of cash for your fading name value like Savage, or come back to Vince and let bygones be bygones.



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#9 Posted on
I'm in hell. WHY can't people tell the difference between what's real and what's fake!?



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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
    I'm in hell. WHY can't people tell the difference between what's real and what's fake!?


The entire post is a work. I mean, the only way I can figure out why this is happening is because Vince is working us...because nobody is that mucn of an idiot as to bury arguably the greatest performer in wrestling history. He'll be back...but it won't be pretty...



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http://jkyle.com says:


    Originally posted by Freeway420

      Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
      I'm in hell. WHY can't people tell the difference between what's real and what's fake!?


    The entire post is a work. I mean, the only way I can figure out why this is happening is because Vince is working us...because nobody is that mucn of an idiot as to bury arguably the greatest performer in wrestling history. He'll be back...but it won't be pretty...



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#12 Posted on
    Originally posted by Freeway420

      Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
      I'm in hell. WHY can't people tell the difference between what's real and what's fake!?


    The entire post is a work. I mean, the only way I can figure out why this is happening is because Vince is working us...because nobody is that mucn of an idiot as to bury arguably the greatest performer in wrestling history. He'll be back...but it won't be pretty...



Austin deserves to be buried. He walked out on a contract. Why can't people see the problem with this? I mean, I liked Austin, the performer, too, but the man walked out on a contract. He turned HIS back on the WWE and now the WWE isn't allowed to do the same to him?

I mean let's say you're a Green Bay Packers fan and when they signed Terry Glenn, Brett Favre decided he didn't like the direction the team is going in and went home. I don't think Packers fans would be praising him. I don't think the Packers would be either.

If Austin wanted to go home, fine, you go to McMahon and you retire. It wouldn't have been THAT hard. Vince would have tried to talk him out of it, but at least Austin would have showed a bit of class. I don't see a damn thing wrong with Vince burying him, especially since if history has taught us anything, it's not going to hurt his marketability if he came back anyway. To say that Austin is allowed to go home on his contract, but Vince isn't allowed to rip him for it is hypocritical. What if Vince folded WWE because he didn't like the "direction" it was going in and so Austin bitched about it. I don't think you'd be calling Austin an idiot for doing so.

(edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 21.7.02 0853)


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#13 Posted on
The reason Austin didn't go to Vince and retire is because the man still has a few good years in him. When did anyone ever go out before they had a good retirement tour...or three? In his "byte this" interview Austin seemed just as upset about wwe's direction as some of us(me included). Instead of bitching and whining about it like other locker room guys he decided to take it to another level by walking out. Was it a good idea? Probably not. Are the fans going to love him just as much when he comes back? You bet your ass.



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#14 Posted on
I won't.

But that's because of what followed the walkout. Not the walkout itself. I can't honestly root for someone who does something like that.



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#15 Posted on
I understand your feelings...If Vince brought him back as a face I wouldn't be able to root for him either. In fact I might stop watching all together. When I said the fans would root for him on his return I meant the ones who don't know all the details.



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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by Santa Sangre
    I understand your feelings...If Vince brought him back as a face I wouldn't be able to root for him either. In fact I might stop watching all together. When I said the fans would root for him on his return I meant the ones who don't know all the details.


Hang on a minute. I *have* to challenge this. WE don;t know all the details. At best we know WWE's side of it pretty well, but we do NOT know all the details.

We have WWE's side, and the Torch and the Observer which are, to be kind, highly dubious sources who would bend a story 19 ways to make the guilt point back to HHH. Their take, as with WWE's is filtered through self-sevring motives.

Have we heard Austin's side of this? And honestly, since he's the worst man in the world for walking out, would you give it a fair hearing?

YES, he walked out. And you know what? Contract breach or no, I don't blame him. He's earned the right to be a selfish asshole and given how everyone seems to have lined up to piss on him, it's not like he has a stronga rgument to return at all.

I freely admit I don't have all the facts, as I've only heard (at besr) 1.5 sides of the story.

And who are you people to say who the average fan should or shouldn't cheer when he returns? I'm sorry but this thread is smarkishness at its deadly worst.



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#17 Posted on
How has Austin earned the right to be a selfish asshole again?

Would he be where he was if no one would have put him over?

Austin spent years bitching about people holding him down and then, as far as we know, he turned into the exact same thing.



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#18 Posted on

    Originally posted by BobHollySTILLRules
    How has Austin earned the right to be a selfish asshole again?



Considering the amount of crap he suffered through in WCW, the injuries he worked through and the terribel angles he's had to sell, I think he's earned a bit of leeway.
And how is he a selfish asshole compared to the ones who bitch, pule, and cry but stick around? Selfish? Sure, but I think we've seen more egregious examples of promotions held hostage.





Would he be where he was if no one would have put him over?

Austin spent years bitching about people holding him down and then, as far as we know, he turned into the exact same thing.



Who did he hold down? Jeff Jarrett? That urban legend is shot so full of holes it could be a new Swiss Cheese.
I thought we were bitching about him walking out? How can he hold people down and be out the door at the same time?




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#19 Posted on
The Greatest Work there ever was, and ever will be, was Dusty Rhodes.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
You mean Dusty Rhodes doesn't really exist?

That's a nice thought.

Anyway...

For Austin to do what he did was wrong. You don't walk out on a job, especially one where you're getting paid so much money to perform. You don't walk out on a job when there are so many people in the arena already who have paid to see you perform. And then you don't go, “Screw the fans, I don't owe them any explanation for my actions” and maintain your silence the whole time. If what Vince has been saying is libel, then why the hell hasn't Austin challenged it?

And above all else, you DON'T HIT A WOMAN.

So I don't want to see Austin come back. Truth be told, he can go to hell for all I care.

And that's the bottom line.



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