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DirtyMikeSeaver
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11
Found this an interesting read. Basically a 10 page oral history with some former TNA employees. Really like the Jeff Hardy and Vince Russo chapters:

http://z6.invisionfree.com/grungereport/index.php?showforum=197





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
Thanks for posting this. This is a tremendous read.I feel like there should be a full chapter on Dixie, as she's owned the company since late '02. I find the talk of Jeff and Jerry's relationship to be the most interesting part of the E book. I'm surprised that Scott Hudson is a Russo guy. I have no idea why Scott Hudson doesn't have a job in TNA or the WWE as a announcer. I have been a fan of his since his days in the GWF. The talk of the old days when TNA was a real alternative to WWE with the X Division and the tag team division carrying the company,while Jarrett hogging the title was a blight on the company. I found myself agreeing with many things that Larry Zbyszko said, which shocked the hell out of me especially the things he said about Jeff Jarrett and Russo. There were other guys that kissed Jeff tuchis, but Larry told it like it is when it comes to Jeff pushing himself too hard and bringing in his friends as did David Young. Some of the stories on Hardy are incredible and hilarious especially David Young's and Bill Behrens stories.The chapter on Russo is pretty good too.

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Amos Cochran
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.53
"A snake ate my phone."

Holy shit.
Brian
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.14
Very enjoyable read imo. I share in the shock that I agreed with everything Larry Z said- one of the few times he's come off as sane and not bitter over the years. I thought it was a fairly weak cast of characters used for the quotes(David Young? Cassidy Reilly?), but Larry and Bill Beherns brought some good stuff and the one quote from Jerry Jarrett was pretty telling.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
I do agree that the cast of characters quoted weren't very strong, but the majority of the people that could add more are still working for TNA. I do wish we would have more stuff from Jerry Jarrett, but he probably didn't want to say much of anything. I would have liked to have heard from Raven, who was a huge part of TNA in their early years, and Dutch Mantell who was a big part of TNA behind the scenes for many years, but we don't know who the writer reached out to and if the guy mentioned turned him down.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.50
So Jerry Jarrett pretty much disowned Jeff over the whole Russo situation? Really? Interesting that most of the guys say they didn't notice an issue between Jerry and Russo. Hard for me to believe that Russo is really born again because of his misogynistic tendencies in his booking. I also would have loved to hear from a guy like Raven. Good read nonetheless even with mostly bit players chiming in. I obviously disagree with Behrens, Petey and Sonjay on Jarrett having the right to be the top dog and having a death grip on the title from '02-06.

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Spaceman Spiff
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.85
    Originally posted by graves9
    I have no idea why Scott Hudson doesn't have a job in TNA or the WWE as a announcer.


You have no idea why a bald 48-year old Scott Hudson doesn't have a job as a WWE announcer? You do watch WWE television, right?



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.50
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      Originally posted by graves9
      I have no idea why Scott Hudson doesn't have a job in TNA or the WWE as a announcer.


    You have no idea why a bald 48-year old Scott Hudson doesn't have a job as a WWE announcer? You do watch WWE television, right?
Plus he actually calls the action instead of looking to get himself over and he doesn't bury wrestlers. What an idiot.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
Not that you should rely on my memories from over ten years ago, but I believe that after his cup of coffee as part of WWE's WCW, Scott decided he was happier with his day job than undertaking the rigors of the WWE travel schedule...

Ah, here we go.
    Originally posted by Scott Hudson, in a 2008 interview with Alan Wojcik
    Fast forward about 3 months. Kevin Dunn called me at my house and asked me if I could be in Stamford the next day for an audition. I figured what the hell so off I went. I took the day off and flew to Connecticut where a limo was waiting on me at LaGuardia. They drove me to Titan Towers and then on to the production facility. I met with Kevin and MAN did he put me through my paces. First, an hour of market specs (30 second or 60 second promos without a script. Just make people want to come to the Joffa Mosque to see Steve Lombardi vs. Jacques Goulet!), then calling a generic one hour TV show with Michael Hayes on color, and finally interviewing talent. That took from about 10:00am to 3:00pm. After about an hour break, Kevin called me into meet with him and Vince. “You did great…” etc. “We’d like you to work here.” The end of this story was that they wanted me to quit my job (no) move to Connecticut (no) for a substantial pay cut (hell no) and a one year contract (no). We parted on good terms and I came home.

    The next week Kevin called again and asked if I could do a couple of Raw’s and Smackdown’s to help establish the Invasion angle. I would do shows in Tacoma, Washington, and Atlanta, Georgia, and maybe the Invasion PPV but that would be it. That was too good to pass up. So off I went to the Pacific Northwest for the ill-fated edition of Raw during which Arn Anderson and I announced the Buff Bagwell vs. Booker T match. Sweet Christ on a crutch was that match awful. After walking out with Arn and Stacy Keibler and getting booed unmercifully, I was as pumped up as I had ever been. Then the bell rung. Arn was writing notes to me during this travesty about what we were seeing and we were rolling our eyes for the entire thing. We knew.

    What everyone forgets is that the next night in the same building at the Smackdown taping, Jindrak, O’Haire, Palumbo and Stasiak had a helluva good match but by then it was too late. The next week at the Phillips Arena show, Kevin told me they “were going in a different direction.” I said, “I don’t blame you.” and that was that. It did not work out because Vince McMahon did not want to (1) pay the WCW talent that would get the angle over i.e. Sting, Goldberg, etc. enough money to make it worth their while (they were still receiving the balance of their WCW contracts and Vince would not match those amounts); and (2) Vince would never, EVER, put over WCW talent on his show. The end.
The entire interview is archived at the Online World of Wrestling (onlineworldofwrestling.com).

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      Originally posted by graves9
      I have no idea why Scott Hudson doesn't have a job in TNA or the WWE as a announcer.


    You have no idea why a bald 48-year old Scott Hudson doesn't have a job as a WWE announcer? You do watch WWE television, right?
Yeah I forgot what the WWE looks for in an announcer. According to wikipedia Scott hasn't done any announcing since he worked for Russo's Ring of Glory promotion in '05. I always wished he would have replaced Tenay as the play by play guy.
lotjx
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.19
A very good read and it sorta explains why things are what they are at TNA right now.



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Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.
Brian
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.14
Also explains why they've kept Tenay around as long as they have because he was basically working for free in their most dire days before Dixie bought the company.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.40
They were a bit easy on Jeff Jarrett IMO. Yeah, I get that he had to rely on himself early on, but the problem was that when guys started to get over, he'd cut them off at the knees. Monty Brown could have been their Goldberg and he just randomly turns heel with Jarrett and becomes a lackey.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66


I had forgotten how much I enjoyed the short little Raven run at the top.

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.19
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    They were a bit easy on Jeff Jarrett IMO. Yeah, I get that he had to rely on himself early on, but the problem was that when guys started to get over, he'd cut them off at the knees. Monty Brown could have been their Goldberg and he just randomly turns heel with Jarrett and becomes a lackey.


I think the logic behind Jarrett being on top was he knew that Vince couldn't buy him. So, instead of Vince pulling a stunt like WCW did with the Women's Belt and what might have been Bret, he choose to keep the belt on himself even though the odds of that happening were probably slim to none. Monty did go to WWE though, so maybe there was a bit of justification for that, but not for the multiple turns people made in order for Jeff to keep these belts.



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Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.40
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      They were a bit easy on Jeff Jarrett IMO. Yeah, I get that he had to rely on himself early on, but the problem was that when guys started to get over, he'd cut them off at the knees. Monty Brown could have been their Goldberg and he just randomly turns heel with Jarrett and becomes a lackey.


    I think the logic behind Jarrett being on top was he knew that Vince couldn't buy him. So, instead of Vince pulling a stunt like WCW did with the Women's Belt and what might have been Bret, he choose to keep the belt on himself even though the odds of that happening were probably slim to none. Monty did go to WWE though, so maybe there was a bit of justification for that, but not for the multiple turns people made in order for Jeff to keep these belts.


Monty left well after his TNA peak though. He was still hot, but there was a period like right when they got their first TV show where he just had that vibe. The vibe guys like Goldberg had where you knew they were gonna break out.

Also, wonder if he feels like a jackass for picking Teddy Hart's side over Punk now?
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
Monty got over pretty big, but the Goldberg comp isn't a good one IMO. Yes it was utterly ridiculous to turn Monty heel at Destination X in '05. People forget how bad Dusty's booking was in late '04 and early '05 and how much better the product got when D'amore replaced him as the booker. I am sure Jeff played a big part in Monty's nonsensical turn too. While I thought not giving Monty the belt is '05 not giving Raven the title in '03 was even worse IMO. Raven was doing the best work of his career and was over as he ever was, and was cutting the best promos in all of wrestling. I believe his match with Jarrett drew such at big crowd in Nashville that they had to turn people away. I believe it was also one of the most purchased weekly PPVs of the era. As far as the Teddy Hart-Punk thing neither guy was used after that although TNA did try and sign Punk in '05, but he choose to sign with the WWE.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.40
    Originally posted by graves9
    Monty got over pretty big, but the Goldberg comp isn't a good one IMO. Yes it was utterly ridiculous to turn Monty heel at Destination X in '05. People forget how bad Dusty's booking was in late '04 and early '05 and how much better the product got when D'amore replaced him as the booker. I am sure Jeff played a big part in Monty's nonsensical turn too. While I thought not giving Monty the belt is '05 not giving Raven the title in '03 was even worse IMO. Raven was doing the best work of his career and was over as he ever was, and was cutting the best promos in all of wrestling. I believe his match with Jarrett drew such at big crowd in Nashville that they had to turn people away. I believe it was also one of the most purchased weekly PPVs of the era. As far as the Teddy Hart-Punk thing neither guy was used after that although TNA did try and sign Punk in '05, but he choose to sign with the WWE.


I didn't watch TNA in '03, so I can't comment on the Raven stuff, although I do remember everyone was calling for him to be champ, and that absolutely should have been the call. They could have likely pulled some of the disenfranchised ECW fans. Instead it furthered the impression of TNA as Jarrett's pet promotion because Vince blacklisted him.

IIRC, Punk was fired first and Teddy got the axe a few weeks later for being Teddy Hart.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
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    IIRC, Punk was fired first and Teddy got the axe a few weeks later for being Teddy Hart.
I don't believe he was ever fired. From Wikipedia Punk officially quit TNA in March 2004 during the Rob Feinstein controversy, after having a dispute with the TNA offices over his ability to compete in ROH following a TNA order that their contracted wrestlers were to no longer wrestle in ROH. Wikipedia is not always accurate, but I recall reading that same thing years ago.

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