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Since: 15.10.02
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#1 Posted on
Whatever happened to the full nelson, it was a great move to wear down your opponent.

does somebody have the answer?



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Since: 19.1.02
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#2 Posted on
I imagine it went the way of the rest of the "Too Damned Hard to Set Up for a Rest Hold" holds. It's never going to get over as a finisher, and it takes too long to set up, where a simple sleeper or a headlock would suffice. That's too long of a break for a break between moves or spots.

Honestly, I'd never thought about it until you just mentioned it. I guess I really don't miss it either.

Though you can still see the vestages of it in the Full-Nelson Slam which has become fairly popular (on RAW especially with Test, Bubba and Nowinski) usually as a secondary finisher, which makes the akward set up more worthwhile.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
How much harder can it be to set up than a sleeper? All the other wrestler really has to do is leave his arms up enough so that the first wrestler can slip under them and hook on the full nelson. I'm not saying we need to have another Billy Jack Haynes/Hercules Battle of the Full Nelsons, but it would make for a more interesting rest hold than an arm bar or chin lock.

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Since: 19.1.02
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#4 Posted on
I guess you'd just have to find situations where the guy's arms are up then. Which is kinda what I mean. The Sleeper is easy to lock it because it's just "Wrap arms around head", which is fairly easy and can be done no matter what the position (except straight ahead or if they're behind).

For a full nelson, you have to get the other guy's arms up and out so that you can get your arms through and back. That really seems like too many mechanics for a move that in the end, probably won't have any bearing whatsoever on the match.

I guess it's just a mechanics thing. Why go for the clunky, easy to make look bad hold that requires extra steps and oponent cooperation, when you can go for the quick and easy?

Then again, if it was somebody's finisher...Then they can take all the time they want.



I should have listened to spf2119 about HHH because he is the smartest Wiener around.

Since everyone else is doing it (ok, not EVERYONE, but...)

Vikings (2-5) - It's time to sweep! 11-5 baby! (Okay, maybe not.)
Badgers (6-3) - Well, we won one. Thanks for playing poorly Michigan State!
Buffy 7.5 earns a 9 out of 10 because Anya is really damn cool this season. The flashbacks were funny (another musical, Joss?). The continuity from past seasons was tremendous, and just about everything else clicked for me. Plus! Barely any Dawn!
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Since: 26.6.02
From: York, England

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#5 Posted on

    Then again, if it was somebody's finisher...Then they can take all the time they want.


Well, since HHH uses the sleeper, I can easily see it coming back as someone's 'deadly submission hold'. Batista, perhaps?



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Since: 24.10.02
From: backwards uncivilised cesspool

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#6 Posted on
Batista could definitely make a full nelson slam work as a finisher. I remember when he gave D-Von a simple sitdown powerbomb and it looked like the most deadly move in the world. He has to use the scary face though.



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Since: 18.2.02
From: Laurel, MD, USA

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#7 Posted on

*I* miss the full- and half-nelson, if it's any consolation.




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Since: 9.12.01
From: Bay City, OR

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#8 Posted on
This guy needs to seriously stop coming back every few months. This is YET ANOTHER multiple personality person from the UK who sounds a lot like that guy Benny.

Who's with me?



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Since: 17.3.02
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#9 Posted on
Now tempted to search board archives for 'Benny.' Worth my time, Guru? Or did one have to be there at the time?



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Since: 9.12.01
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#10 Posted on
Nope. He holds conversations with himself after a few days of posting stuff like "I like cheese - who's with me? " or "Everyone thinks pudding is cool. Thoughts?"



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Since: 9.1.02
From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada

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#11 Posted on
I can't see how people can say that the move was forgotten because it's too hard to setup compared to others. If that was the case, then why would anyone do a bodyslam anymore when they could just punch each other (wait a minute... that IS all they do...)

I think what really happened is that you have to cut some moves out to make room (time-wise) for the bigger ones. I mean the "My Version of the Five Moves of Doom" that everyone's got now. There's just not much time/room for restholds, so why waste you're time going for a new one when it means that you're missing out on time you could use to do your split-legged-moonsault (and get more of a crowd reaction)? Get the armbar out of the way and then it's back to scissor-kicks for everyone. I think that's more of the reason. These guys only have minutes a week to get the crowd on their side (unless they've screwing mannequins, then they've got HOURS).

Plus, the move just screams "70's"


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Since: 21.9.02
From: Kitimat, British Columbia, Canada

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#12 Posted on
I think I'd rather see a Full Nelson from time to time as opposed to seemingly everyone doing a spinebuster. Then again, I still fondly remember the days when a SuperPlex was a finisher and a SuicidePlex (SuperPlex with both people on top turnbuckle) was akin to instant death.



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Since: 23.1.02
From: Brande, Denmark

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#13 Posted on
I've always wondered, who used the superplex as a finisher?



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Since: 9.1.02
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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by Kjeldbjerg
    I've always wondered, who used the superplex as a finisher?


Barry Windham.



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Since: 18.4.02
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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nate The Snake

      Originally posted by Kjeldbjerg
      I've always wondered, who used the superplex as a finisher?


    Barry Windham.



I remember seeing someone use a superplex and then float over into a pin. It looked cool. Was that Windham?
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Since: 2.1.02
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#16 Posted on
Didn't Cowboy Bob Orton, father of the Blue-Chipper Randy Orton (get well soon!), use a superplex?



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Since: 26.8.02

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#17 Posted on
Well it is used, but either as the grip for a fullnelson slam or dragon suplex mostly. At times Eddy and Co. use it as part of modified tiger spins.
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#18 Posted on
Well... at least the guy started a wrestling related topic....



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