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Known to most of us as the St. Louis Rams apparently found their new 4th receiver to replace Akim. Eric Couch has impressed Martz enough that he's already probably going to get lots of playing time as the fourth receiver.

The thing that makes this inane is that Couch used to be a QUARTERBACK. This means that the Rams will have on some plays four receivers and two quarterbacks, WITH "Grand" Marshall Faulk in the backfield, and Martz calling the shots.

This scares me.




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Never mind the fact that if Faulk goes down, Martz can just throw Canidate in there and blow by everyone. (Hey, it helped me last season in fantasy ball...)

But about the "four WR, two QB, and Faulk" formation: Can't happen... if you've got 5 WR, there's no room for a RB, FB, or TE.

Oh, and it's Crouch. Couch is the QB in Cleveland.
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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Never mind the fact that if Faulk goes down, Martz can just throw Canidate in there and blow by everyone. (Hey, it helped me last season in fantasy ball...)

    But about the "four WR, two QB, and Faulk" formation: Can't happen... if you've got 5 WR, there's no room for a RB, FB, or TE.

    Oh, and it's Crouch. Couch is the QB in Cleveland.



wow, you read that post too fast

he is saying that CROUCH is a wr/qb, and on a 4WR SB set, you'd have Faulk, a QB, and 4 WR's, one of which can throw

no, it's CROUCH, put the "r" in, so to speak
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(edited by rikidozan on 19.8.02 0127)


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Thanks rikidozan, that's exactly what I meant. My apoligies for spelling the guy's last name wrong.


My point still stands. Having a wide receiver who can catch VERY well and who used to be a QUARTERBACK on the Rams is....well, I can't even come up with the words.




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imangine the trick plays...a reverse into a wr option pass...


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At the risk of getting rotten fruit thrown at me, I'd like to point out that this is by no means a new occurance. The Steelers had Kordell at WR for a few seasons, and, as we speak now, have two WRs who will make the team who used to be quarterbacks, Hines Ward and Antwan Randle El. And Ward had 1000 yards nd set the Steelers record for receptions in a season last year.

Just FYI



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I'd give a lot to have Crouch in Baltimore and actually, you know, play quarterback right now. I mean, good lord we have Chris Redman, Jeff Blake and Wes Pate right now. I'd take my chances with Crouch and his playmaking ability as an option quarterback over that trio. Redman has a chance to be good(he's thrown ok in the preseason) but Crouch would've made the offense more dynamic.
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    Originally posted by chazerizer
    At the risk of getting rotten fruit thrown at me, I'd like to point out that this is by no means a new occurance. The Steelers had Kordell at WR for a few seasons, and, as we speak now, have two WRs who will make the team who used to be quarterbacks, Hines Ward and Antwan Randle El. And Ward had 1000 yards nd set the Steelers record for receptions in a season last year.

    Just FYI




Yeah, but the Steelers didn't have Marshall Faulk at RB, Kurt Warner at QB, and Issac Bruce at WR. And they also didn't have that Martz guy either.




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    Originally posted by chazerizer
    At the risk of getting rotten fruit thrown at me, I'd like to point out that this is by no means a new occurance. The Steelers had Kordell at WR for a few seasons, and, as we speak now, have two WRs who will make the team who used to be quarterbacks, Hines Ward and Antwan Randle El. And Ward had 1000 yards nd set the Steelers record for receptions in a season last year.

    Just FYI



my memory might be fading, but wasn't Randel El a 2nd stringer at an option school?

(edited by rikidozan on 19.8.02 1901)


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    Originally posted by rikidozan
      Originally posted by chazerizer
      At the risk of getting rotten fruit thrown at me, I'd like to point out that this is by no means a new occurance. The Steelers had Kordell at WR for a few seasons, and, as we speak now, have two WRs who will make the team who used to be quarterbacks, Hines Ward and Antwan Randle El. And Ward had 1000 yards nd set the Steelers record for receptions in a season last year.

      Just FYI



    my memory might be fading, but wasn't Randel El a 2nd stringer at an option school?

    (edited by rikidozan on 19.8.02 1901)



Yes, it is. Randle El was the starting QB at Indiana, which the last time I checked, wasn't expressly an option school. Then again, I didn't really follow any particular team (my school doesn't have football either).
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    Originally posted by El Nastio

      Originally posted by chazerizer
      At the risk of getting rotten fruit thrown at me, I'd like to point out that this is by no means a new occurance. The Steelers had Kordell at WR for a few seasons, and, as we speak now, have two WRs who will make the team who used to be quarterbacks, Hines Ward and Antwan Randle El. And Ward had 1000 yards nd set the Steelers record for receptions in a season last year.

      Just FYI




    Yeah, but the Steelers didn't have Marshall Faulk at RB, Kurt Warner at QB, and Issac Bruce at WR. And they also didn't have that Martz guy either.



I would argue quite strongly that Faulk is not as good as the Steelers RB, Jerome Bettis. I would also argue that the combination of Buress and Ward is pretty damn good. And well Stewart may not be your best "traditional" quarterback, I will at least argue that he's as good a football player as Warner.

Just so I know, who the fuck is Martz? Nevermind, hes the coach, just found it. whoopdedoo.



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    Originally posted by chazerizer

      I would argue quite strongly that Faulk is not as good as the Steelers RB, Jerome Bettis. I would also argue that the combination of Buress and Ward is pretty damn good. And well Stewart may not be your best "traditional" quarterback, I will at least argue that he's as good a football player as Warner.

      Just so I know, who the fuck is Martz? Nevermind, hes the coach, just found it. whoopdedoo..




I was gonna rip the fact that you were going to argue quite strongly that Bettis is a better back than Faulk, but then you mentioned that you didn't even know who Mike Martz is. Please take of the Black and gold glasses and look at the comparison rationally.
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    Originally posted by brick

      Originally posted by chazerizer

        I would argue quite strongly that Faulk is not as good as the Steelers RB, Jerome Bettis. I would also argue that the combination of Buress and Ward is pretty damn good. And well Stewart may not be your best "traditional" quarterback, I will at least argue that he's as good a football player as Warner.

        Just so I know, who the fuck is Martz? Nevermind, hes the coach, just found it. whoopdedoo..




    I was gonna rip the fact that you were going to argue quite strongly that Bettis is a better back than Faulk, but then you mentioned that you didn't even know who Mike Martz is. Please take of the Black and gold glasses and look at the comparison rationally.



No doubt. Kurt has a SUPER BOWL RING, plus was the QB in last year's Super Bowl, one the Steelers were heavily favored to be in then Kordell went out and threw three picks and played like a huge pile of crap in the AFC title game. Warner is only going to hold every career average passing record for the league after this year, including yards per attempt by a *lot*. Kordell's had, what, three, FOUR shaky years at QB then one good year that was really 14 good games the four games of the old Kordell?

Other points from earlier in the thread I'd like to comment on...

Randle El is the ONLY QB in college football history to pass for 6000 and run for 3000 yards in his career. I think if he had gone to Notre Dame, for example, he would've been a HUGE star, but at Indiana he was pretty nuch the whole offense and their defense was terrible.

I've always said that I thought Eric Crouch has just as much potential to be a QB in the NFL as Michael Vick. The guy is almost as fast and is just as raw throwing the ball as Vick was coming out of college, so I can't believe no one thinks they could turn this guy into a QB. Maybe Martz just got him first, I don't know.
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Crouch won the Heisman because of his legs not his arm.


The Rams would only put in as QB only if they wanna throw interceptions.He should be happy he's a WR with the Rams,probably the position that is used most,intstead of a 2nd/3rd string FS with the Browns like another former Nebraska QB.







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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    No doubt. Kurt has a SUPER BOWL RING, plus was the QB in last year's Super Bowl, one the Steelers were heavily favored to be in then Kordell went out and threw three picks and played like a huge pile of crap in the AFC title game. Warner is only going to hold every career average passing record for the league after this year, including yards per attempt by a *lot*. Kordell's had, what, three, FOUR shaky years at QB then one good year that was really 14 good games the four games of the old Kordell.


OK, lets back up, for a second. I didn't say that Kordell is a better quarterback than Warner. I said he was a better football player than him. And that covers a lot more than his arm. I doubt Warner will hold every average career passing record after this year, since I'm pretty sure there's a guy who only threw one pass for one completion in his career and it was for a TD. Meaningless you say? Just as Warner's will be.

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Seperate response: I barely know who my OWN coach is. Do you know why? Because the coach makes so much little impact on what actually happens. The best coach in the world won't necesarily win championships. A good coach needs a good team backing him up. And a great quarterback will carry a team a lot farther than a great coach.(Just out of curiosity, the only coaches I can think of in the NFL right now are Cowher and Spurrier, and that ones only because I have a good friend who followed him in college like an apostle.)



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    Originally posted by chazerizer

      Originally posted by JayJayDean
      No doubt. Kurt has a SUPER BOWL RING, plus was the QB in last year's Super Bowl, one the Steelers were heavily favored to be in then Kordell went out and threw three picks and played like a huge pile of crap in the AFC title game. Warner is only going to hold every career average passing record for the league after this year, including yards per attempt by a *lot*. Kordell's had, what, three, FOUR shaky years at QB then one good year that was really 14 good games the four games of the old Kordell.


    OK, lets back up, for a second. I didn't say that Kordell is a better quarterback than Warner. I said he was a better football player than him. And that covers a lot more than his arm. I doubt Warner will hold every average career passing record after this year, since I'm pretty sure there's a guy who only threw one pass for one completion in his career and it was for a TD. Meaningless you say? Just as Warner's will be.

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    Seperate response: I barely know who my OWN coach is. Do you know why? Because the coach makes so much little impact on what actually happens. The best coach in the world won't necesarily win championships. A good coach needs a good team backing him up. And a great quarterback will carry a team a lot farther than a great coach.(Just out of curiosity, the only coaches I can think of in the NFL right now are Cowher and Spurrier, and that ones only because I have a good friend who followed him in college like an apostle.)


I would argue quite strongly that Faulk is not as good as the Steelers RB, Jerome Bettis


It should be said that Martz designed this scheme they use in STL, and calls all the plays...and is known as a creative genius. Cowher is more of a defensive guy, which is why the steelers are so good on that side of the ball year after year-despite losing 2-3 players every year to free agency. And the Rams also have another very good reciever named Torry Holt. How can you say that Faulk is not as good as Bettis. Faulk is always one of the top rushers in the league....plus he catches as many balls as many #2 wide recievers, racks up as many yards, and scores as many touchdowns. Basically, in Marshall Faulk...you have a #1 stud running back, and a very good # 2 wide reciever, on the level of a mccardell or a moulds or a joe horn...with a little less yardage. Plus...he can bang it out in-between the tackles pretty well himself.
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    Originally posted by chazerizer..


I doubt Warner will hold every average career passing record after this year, since I'm pretty sure there's a guy who only threw one pass for one completion in his career and it was for a TD. Meaningless you say? Just as Warner's will be.



Wow, that is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board. Obviously, he'll hold the records for guys with a certain number of attempts. Apparently, breaking records held by such players as Steve Young and Sid Luckman are accomplishments that pale in comparison to blowing an AFC Championship Game and a playoff game to New England in '96 that could have been Steeler wins if it weren't for totally lackluster QB play by a certain #10.

Is Kordell a better athlete than Kurt Warner? Definitely. Does it mean jacksquat on the football feld when both are playing QUARTERBACK? Evidently it doesn't. Or maybe Kordell is such a transcendant athlete that we should marvel at the interceptions he throws at key moments, interceptions that mere mortal athletes at the QB position like Warner and Tom Brady and Rich Gannon don't seem to be able to accomplish. Yeah, that's DEFINITELY it.

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    Originally posted by chazerizer


    Seperate response: I barely know who my OWN coach is. Do you know why? Because the coach makes so much little impact on what actually happens. The best coach in the world won't necesarily win championships. A good coach needs a good team backing him up. And a great quarterback will carry a team a lot farther than a great coach.(Just out of curiosity, the only coaches I can think of in the NFL right now are Cowher and Spurrier, and that ones only because I have a good friend who followed him in college like an apostle.)



back that truck up...the coach makes a HUGE impact..

Last year, most of the 'Skins vets almost walked out on Shottenheimer, and Darrell Green said he would retire rather than play for him for another year...

Shottenheimer is gone, and Green is still here
Most of the vets have said that there is a world of difference between the morale now than last year...



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A coach makes no difference? Did you see last years super bowl when an out-matched team used a superior scheme (installed by the coach) and special teams to beat the Rams.
Hell if anything the coaches were the deciding factor in that game. Belechick for coming up with a way to stop "the flying circus act" and Martz for being so stupidly stubborn not to adjust to the way the defense was defending him (you have marshal faulk, RUN THE BALL).


(edited by brick on 21.8.02 0543)
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    Originally posted by brick
    A coach makes no difference? Did you see last years super bowl when an out-matched team used a superior scheme (installed by the coach) and special teams to beat the Rams.
    Hell if anything the coaches were the deciding factor in that game. Belechick for coming up with a way to stop "the flying circus act" and Martz for being so stupidly stubborn not to adjust to the way the defense was defending him (you have marshal faulk, RUN THE BALL).


    (edited by brick on 21.8.02 0543)



I guess it also helped that they probably saw that Giants/Rams game earlier in the season and realized a great way to stop the Rams is to beat the crap out of them on defense. The way "the defense was defending" Martz's receivers was to hit them hard enough that they'd still feel it when the Rams were on D.
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