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#21 Posted on
The Un-Americans angle sucks. It's been done too many times before and NOW, of all times, is the most innappropriate for it, frankly.

Test should leave wrestling and the writers should make Storm a tag team wrestler for the time being while repackaging Christian into something.

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#22 Posted on
Yes, maybe Lance Storm's comments were a bit out-of-line.

Luckily, it was Lance Storm making the comments...so nobody was listening anyway.

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
I'm just wondering what the Anti-American's big problem is. I mean, the upside down flag IS an emergency distress signal.



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#24 Posted on

    Originally posted by BretHart1985
    The Un-Americans angle sucks. It's been done too many times before and NOW, of all times, is the most innappropriate for it, frankly.

    Test should leave wrestling and the writers should make Storm a tag team wrestler for the time being while repackaging Christian into something.




Evil foreigner angles are a pasttime of wrestling and is something that never gets old. But this particular time around, it's been done in poor taste. It can be redeemed if they tone down the ruthlessness. They really need to get better writers for Storm, because a lot of people are going to lose respect for him, even if he IS just "doing as he's told".



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#25 Posted on
Addressing several points made earlier here..hope you can read all the way through it and see my p.o.v..

The upside down flag as was stated last week by Storm is a distress signal and it did seem to generate heat with alot of people present.

Personally I like the idea that this isn't a Canada is better angle. That has indeed been done before and has run its course.

I live in Holland and am a big supporter of the USA as a whole. However, for a large part the things the Un-Americans say are true.
The country/people leading it seem to think they can tell other countries what to do just because they are the USA.

Now I don't blame the wrestlers for any inappropriate remarks, and I don't believe Christian would make a better mouth piece. Both CHristian and Storm share this duty right now it seems with Storm being his serious self and Christian the guy that makes me chuckle (The july 4th statement and teens knowing britney but not the bill of rights)..

Storm's Vietnam statement made me cringe with a twinkle in my eye (I was thinking OOOWW..thats gotta hurt) but 9/11 might not be a good thing to address.

I don't see this as Vince/WWE making light of 9/11 though. In fact I feel this may result in some outpoor of national pride and love around 9/11 where the Un-Americans gets destroyed and disbanded. That is, if they are going in this heavily political direction..

Heh, if more people are so down on it as some of you are WWE might pull the plug on this and take it to a less hot-issue direction.



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#26 Posted on
Whoa, guys. Let’s take this in perspective.
First…The whole “it was the writers” thing is B.S. You don’t say things you are morally against. Lance Storm shouldn’t say things he thinks are wrong if he has any integrity. At the end of the day, HE is responsible for what comes out of his mouth, no one has a gun to his head and dignity is more important than ‘doing your job’.
Second, Christian once said at a show in Dallas that if JFK hadn’t been shot, he would have committed suicide soon enough anyway if he had to spend ten more minutes in the city of Dallas. That was low. Attacking a nation and/or its politics is one thing. Attacking a dead human being is another. That is the cheapest of cheap heat I have ever seen in any form of wrestling, and was the one time I was nearly ashamed to be a wrestling fan.
Third of all, I have dual citizenships in the U.S. and Canada. I was born in Trinidad, but that’s beside the point, I’ve never been there since (left when I was a year old), and consider myself both American and Canadian, and spend lots of time on either side of the border But let me tell you all something, even as an American I feel that Storm is saying things that are true. When I say true I don’t mean it was accurate (which is a matter of debate), but that it was based in reality. And I think the WWE should not be afraid to base itself in reality. When they did the cancer thing with Big Show’s dad, everyone said…No place in wrestling. But women wrestling in gravy has a place? I would much rather have racy, but INTELLIGENT comments being involved in my ‘action-adventure show’ than stupid moronic Russo-like tripe that engages my intelligence less than a porno clip off the internet. Anything that sincerely touches a fan’s life (like Sept. 11, or cancer) has a right to be on the shows. If wrestling is entertainment, it CAN make those statements. A movie where a rounded character made those criticisms would be considered art. I consider wrestling art, and appreciate when art makes a political statement, right or wrong. So long as that art doesn’t tell me what to think, and best that I can tell, nothing in this Un-Americans angle has told us what to think.
Bush not being able to defend his country may not ‘belong in wrestling’ but it was valid. The bombing of innocents, well that’s a word-wide criticism of the U.S.A. I am well-travelled, and the WORLD believes this to be the way we conduct ourselves. As Americans, each of us has a right to say ‘the world is wrong’. But the world has a right to say what it thinks of us, even if we may not like what the world says. Even if, in our heart of hearts, we don’t want to acknowledge it. We may like to pretend that it’s “just jealousy” but hell, if the world believes it, then “world” wrestling entertainment should voice that opinion just as much as they should voice the opinion that says “God bless America”. This company has ALWAYS taken shots at other nations. Why can’t it take a shot at its home base nation? Because we, as Americans, don’t want to hear it? We should hear all opinions about us, good or bad, because it will only make us better informed and a better nation overall. Lance can’t point out an American failures, but Bradshaw can say the U.S. will turn whatever country’s harbouring terrorists into a ‘parking lot’? I don’t think so. What Bradshaw said is not any more appropriate than what Lance said, but we accept Bradshaw’s comments because…Why is that, again? Oh…Yes, because we’re the good guys! Well, to anyone on the business end of an American missile, we’re not the good guys. War and death are not topics that can be summarized so easily, so quickly. They are not that simple.
In Canada, the people think the U.S. is an arrogant, ungrateful country. I can see their point. I also feel myself to be Canadian. When Canada was the first one to aid the U.S. in this tragedy, and was a great ally, the President, Mr. Bush, didn’t even MENTION Canada in his thank-you speech. That enraged this country. What’s worse, you may not know about this because American media hardly covered the story, but American missiles blew up and killed four members of a Canadian battalion while it was TRAINING in Afghanistan to fight side-by-side with American soldiers. Dozens of others were injured. Bush took weeks to apologize. The American media didn’t cover the story. And the God bless America routine went on and on and ever on. That also enraged Canada. Soon after our soldiers died for the U.S.A., during the NBA playoffs the Detroit Pistons fans either sat down during or BOOED the Canadian national anthem. While our soldiers died for you. That enraged this country. So many of the Canadian fans were likely smiling and applauding Lance’s comments tonight.
I wasn’t one of them. As an American AND a Canadian, I understand the points. But we each reserve our personal rights to say what’s in good taste and what’s not. And that doesn’t mean wrestlers should not be able to criticize the U.S. in any form because of September 11th. If only Americans had died that day, maybe the point could be made, but hey, guys, I lost friends there, and they weren’t all American. Canadians died too. Irish people died, English people died, people from all over South America, Europe, and Africa died. Sometimes we forget that. Sometimes we forget that it was an attack on the world, not just the U.S., and if because of that horrible day no wrestler can insult America, by this logic, no country would be bashed on WWE television. Personally, if no one ever made an insult ever again on WWE TV based on race or nationality or regional origin, I’d be a happier wrestling fan. I can do without Rock making Cheech and Chong comments because Eddy Guerrero happens to be Hispanic. (Ohh, they’re Hispanic, and Eddy is too, so naturally, it’s valid to compare him to them even if he looks nothing like them.) I can do without the Un-Americans and Jerry Lawler’s juvenile insults about any Canadian babyface. I don’t want Texas to be a part of anyone’s character or push. I don’t find “they should go back to Canada” any less offensive than if Booker T was told to “go back to Africa” Being born in a place is not an accomplishment. Everyone’s born someplace.
I want layered, multi-faceted characters in my wrestling. But that’s never going to happen. So while I don’t like this current angle, I don’t think it is over any imaginary taste line. It has its place in wrestling if cars running down wrestlers and women degrading themselves and being objectified (big ass Molly) has its place. If wrestling matured to include the sex, it should now try to mature to include world-wide politics. Or, we can all pray for 1989 to come so we can see Roosters wrestle fifty-five year old managers, and wait for giant eggs to hatch at Pay-Per-Views. Given the choice, I’ll run this risk of being occasionally offended.
We don’t have to like all the WWE brings us. And when we don’t, we have the medicine to take it away. It’s called the remote control.




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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33
Hogans my Dad, I agree with 99% of what you said. The ONLY part I disagree with is the writers part. As is evidenced by Matt Hardy's alleged being punished for speaking up, people tend to be unable to change the direction of their gimmicks and what they have to say unless they were a top draw for a few years (Rock), your name was Austin, or you're boinking the boss's kid (Triple H). The "Un-Americians" may not have a choice. Enjoy this sizable push, or go down and wrestle on heat for three months or more. And "don't shoot the messenger". Bradshaw's comments were shoot comments, coming from him. Storm/Christian/Test are reciting scripting lines. That said, I agree with everything else.



What’s worse, you may not know about this because American media hardly covered the story, but American missiles blew up and killed four members of a Canadian battalion while it was TRAINING in Afghanistan to fight side-by-side with American soldiers.

Sergent Marc Leger, Corperal Answorth Dyer, Private Richard Green, and Private Nathan Smith (RIP) were the four soldiers killed. I know because I saw a lot of footage of their memorial service(s) at my work. The lack of media coverage by the States shocked me.




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#28 Posted on
I can see people saying that they shouldn't be doing this angle at all. In fact, I would agree with that. That said, how can anyone say that they should be doing this angle, but not in this way? Are they supposed to keep going out there and talk about the Korean War and John Wayne? If they're going to do this angle, they need to get it over by talking about things that people currently care about.



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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by spf2119
    I wasn't paying a ton of attention during the whole Storm promo about this, but as he was attacking Bush for ducking out on going to war, I read his statement about not being able to defend his country as being related to that prior thought, that he personally didn't go to defend his country, not as a 9/11 or a terrorism related thing. I don't know if that's what he meant and just said it poorly, but I truly have trouble believing he would be that tasteless as what the comments mean the other way, even in the context of a wrestling angle.
I share that opinion. I took the comment as a reference to GWB's shady military service record, not a tasteless remark about 9/11. I know that there's a track record of tastelessness in WWE, but I don't think they would be that tasteless.



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#30 Posted on
Everything said here is fine with me but the thing about the coverage of the Canadian soldiers has really irked me.



I saw a lot of coverage,mostly on Fox News, for them and the first thing that went through my mind "Oh,Great Canada is gonna hate us more now". It was a accident that shouldn't have happened but I was just wondering has Canadian T.V. ever aired the full funeral of a random American soldier?

I'm not trying to make this a America v. Canada thing but it just seems like a little bit of a double standard.



(edited by ICEMAN on 6.8.02 1343)



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#31 Posted on
Anything 9/11 related should be left out of wrestling, nuff said. If it was about Bush it should have been a cleary stated attack on his own military past, not the country. Some if not all politics should be left out of wrestling, because whether the superstar is a heel or a face he is going to trancend that and look like an ASS-CLOWN to aboot half the people who cheer for him and against him.

That being said, I think some of what the Un-Americans have said in past weeks was more like constructive criticism, they made some good points. However the Un-Americans name is stupid, Lance, Christian, and Test are all from Canada.
Last time I looked at a map Canada was part of North-America.

So, are they also Anti-Canadian? Why don't they applaud Quebec for trying to secede/disband from Canada? At this time in history a better idea is a Anti-U.S.A. stable made up of wrestlers from the U.S.(like the Revolution tried in WCW). It's like if you make fun of your brother or sister it's okay, but if someone else does it you want to kick their ass. I'm not gonna talk crap about France and it's politics, that's the job of the French(I'm more concerned with what's going on at home).

(edited by Chico Santana on 6.8.02 1033)


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#32 Posted on
For those who are upset about the implied (or not) 9/11 comments, the bottom line is that in wrestling, there have always been angles and gimmicks that left a sour taste in peoples' mouths, and have, on occasion, gone too far. Now, I'm African-American, so imagine how I felt with the whole Col. DeBeers angle in the AWA, especially when he would actually discuss reasons why whites were superior to non-whites. The angle made me writhe in disgust, but I'm sure that, if the AWA wasn't so incompetent, the angle would have had a huge blowoff which would have destroyed the DeBeers character. ANYWAY--

With all due respect, everyone who's taken exception to the comments on RAW ought to consider this--

IF Storm's comments were about September 11th, he does bring up an interesting point. Remember, Osama Bin Laden is STILL the guy we're supposed to be hunting for, and it's almost been a year, and WE STILL CAN'T find the guy. The most powerful military with the most sophisticated technology in the world, and we still can't find Osama-va-bitch.

It seems like some of you might have the idea that 9/11 was the worst incident to ever occur that was terrorist-related. Certainly, that is quite true --for the U.S.-- but what about other countries in the western world who have dealt with terrorism for decades, having to endure deaths everyday? What about what's going on in the middle east? On one hand, you've got Palestinians employing the use of human bombs to make their point, and it seems that, with Israel's version of diplomacy, logic would seem to dictate that if their military leaders had a fly buzzing around their lunch, they'd try to swat it with a bazooka. What about other types of destructive actions that are deemed by other nations as terrorism committed by the United States? In 1975 (and this is just the first example that comes to mind) the US supported General Suharto's regime in Indonesia to kill citizens of East Timor because they didn't want to be annexed by Indonesia. Those who were in office in 1975 supported Indonesia because of the political and military stakes, and also consider this-- for the decades that followed the US' initial bacinkg, as many as 1 million people in East Timor have been killed by Indonesian soldiers who had U.S. military training, U.S. military funding, and U.S. military weapons, with the blessing of the United States. Back then the threat was communism. I hope that terrorism is not used in the same way now. That would simply be disrespectful to all the victims and their families, and ANYONE who has felt the pain and sadness from terrorist attacks.

I know this is long winded, but for those of you who are so offended by the Un-Americans angle, turn the channel (as it has already been suggested) think about what the U.S. has done that ACTUALLY JUSTIFIES this type of thinking in the REAL WORLD (East Timor, Turkey, Nicaragua, Mexico) if you want to inquire as to why these attitudes tend to exist from other peoples around the world, and also keep in mind that in the "sport" of professional wrestling, at least in theory, the bad guys ALWAYS get their asses kicked. ALWAYS.

On a kayfabe note, the Un-Americans will get their due. If not by the Taker, who knows... maybe Hogan or even KURT ANGLE will set those anti-USA punks straight. And believe me, if that doesn't happen, we as fans have the power to make WWE change. If whatever they do gets so offensive or plainly bad, we have the power of our wallets to withhold, and nothing can save a wrestling federation once we stop buying tickets, merchandise, and PPVs. :)



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33
It was a accident that shouldn't have happened but I was just wondering has Canadian T.V. ever aired the full funeral of a random American soldier?


CBC Newsworld (our version of CNN) did an outstanding job with 9/11 coverage. They had all the breaking news before CNN did that day, believe it or not (we had about three or four TV's on at the time, given we were in a studio and control room the whole day).

No, random USA sldiers have not had their full funerals aired on a Canadian channel. But that's because Canada hasn't had one of their CF-18 Fighters accidently drop a laser guided bomb on their allies who were doing a traning session. If we did, you can BET that we'd do something pretty fierce to make ammends, or at least say we're sorry about it.

Canada has devoted many resources and media coverage to thsi "war on terror". And it pisses me (and many Canadians) off to no end how we devote THAT much time to our southern neighbors....only to have it ignored for weeks. And then when four of our men get bombed by our allies by accident, it's apparently no big deal and doesn't deserve media coverage outside of an 24/7 news station.




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#34 Posted on

    Originally posted by El Nastio
    It was a accident that shouldn't have happened but I was just wondering has Canadian T.V. ever aired the full funeral of a random American soldier?


    CBC Newsworld (our version of CNN) did an outstanding job with 9/11 coverage. They had all the breaking news before CNN did that day, believe it or not (we had about three or four TV's on at the time, given we were in a studio and control room the whole day).

    No, random USA sldiers have not had their full funerals aired on a Canadian channel. But that's because Canada hasn't had one of their CF-18 Fighters accidently drop a laser guided bomb on their allies who were doing a traning session. If we did, you can BET that we'd do something pretty fierce to make ammends, or at least say we're sorry about it.

    Canada has devoted many resources and media coverage to thsi "war on terror". And it pisses me (and many Canadians) off to no end how we devote THAT much time to our southern neighbors....only to have it ignored for weeks. And then when four of our men get bombed by our allies by accident, it's apparently no big deal and doesn't deserve media coverage outside of an 24/7 news station.




It's not like the pilots went "Look its Canadians lets kill them" or anything like that.

And this kinda fall back into what I've always said:

"Whatever America does it is always going to be wrong"


I truly doubt that if 4 Americans got killed in warfare by Canadian fire,friendly fire or enemy fire,you would lead your news broadcasts with it,but if any Canadian soldiers get killed you want us to.Even if you did lead with it,it would probably have negative overtones anyway.


It was a very tragic accident and I'm sorry it happened.Just don't hate every American because it took our president so long to say "We're Sorry".



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#35 Posted on
It seems like the angle is playing itself out on this board...we are all on the same side here.

As discussed last week(by me, anyway), the Canada vs. USA angle this time around just seems like it's trying way too hard to capture the instantaneous attention that it got in 1997.

The problem is, you've got three charisma-challenged Canadians leading the forces this time, taking cheap shots and demonstrating their inability to get over without re-hashing the same old anti-American sentiment that I've heard so many times since last year.

Simply put, they're boring. And to overcome their boringness, they're crossing the line into tastlessness. If the angle continues through September and makes reference to Sept.11, it's going to turn so many casual fans away.

In the short run, yeah, whoever they fight's going to be super face, but there's no longevity in this stable.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33
    Originally posted by ICEMAN


It's not like the pilots went "Look its Canadians lets kill them" or anything like that.

And this kinda fall back into what I've always said:

"Whatever America does it is always going to be wrong"


I truly doubt that if 4 Americans got killed in warfare by Canadian fire,friendly fire or enemy fire,you would lead your news broadcasts with it,but if any Canadian soldiers get killed you want us to.Even if you did lead with it,it would probably have negative overtones anyway.


It was a very tragic accident and I'm sorry it happened.Just don't hate every American because it took our president so long to say "We're Sorry".





Yes we WOULD lead with that story, if USA soldiers were killed by Canadian Friendly Fire. And I *know* that because I know people in the Canadian TV Industry. And you're right, it would be with negative overtones....negative towards ourselves. This has been discussed by a great many of the local television personel here in Ottawa.

Canada's elite commandos JTF-2 have been on the ground dong Spec-Ops with Americian troops before, during, and after the accident, so it's not like we hate all of you and don't forgive what happened. I don't hate Americians. I don't hate people. In fact, a good friend of mine lives in the New England area. If I hated Americians then I wouldn't visit this board, watch most sports, and eat at fast food places made by Americians.

And am I the only one who sees the timeline for this fued to end? Why, it's on pace to end around.....begining of September. That's at least where I see it ending.


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#37 Posted on
Is this angle any more or less offensive than, say, Sgt. Slaughter, Iraqi sympathizer? Same rules apply I think...



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#38 Posted on
NEWSFLASH!

The angle is working. It is generating heat. It is making people talk. Talk about The Un-Americans, about Christian, Storm & Test. If you bitch about them, then that is by definition HEEL HEAT.

The angle is supposed to be edgy. It's supposed to piss you off. So that when an All-American face [Undertaker] takes them out, he will be the man who stopped these guys from ragging on America.

If the angle is offense, BLAME THE WRITERS. Not the workers.



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#39 Posted on

    Originally posted by El Nastio
      Originally posted by ICEMAN


    It's not like the pilots went "Look its Canadians lets kill them" or anything like that.

    And this kinda fall back into what I've always said:

    "Whatever America does it is always going to be wrong"


    I truly doubt that if 4 Americans got killed in warfare by Canadian fire,friendly fire or enemy fire,you would lead your news broadcasts with it,but if any Canadian soldiers get killed you want us to.Even if you did lead with it,it would probably have negative overtones anyway.


    It was a very tragic accident and I'm sorry it happened.Just don't hate every American because it took our president so long to say "We're Sorry".





Yes we WOULD lead with that story, if USA soldiers were killed by Canadian Friendly Fire. And I *know* that because I know people in the Canadian TV Industry. And you're right, it would be with negative overtones....negative towards ourselves. This has been discussed by a great many of the local television personel here in Ottawa.

Canada's elite commandos JTF-2 have been on the ground dong Spec-Ops with Americian troops before, during, and after the accident, so it's not like we hate all of you and don't forgive what happened. I don't hate Americians. I don't hate people. In fact, a good friend of mine lives in the New England area. If I hated Americians then I wouldn't visit this board, watch most sports, and eat at fast food places made by Americians.

And am I the only one who sees the timeline for this fued to end? Why, it's on pace to end around.....begining of September. That's at least where I see it ending.


(edited by El Nastio on 6.8.02 1551)



OK,I understand now.This whole thing was stupid anyway.



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    Originally posted by count olaf
    I agree that the upside down flag gives me the creeps. As did tonight's comments about Bush being unable to defend the country.
I am not easily offended, and I hate, hate, hate Bush, but I just had to sit there during that backstage interview and say, "Boy, this is really in incredibly bad taste."



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