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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
      the go-to move for both is to build themselves up huge as a heel and then turn face instead right when it's time for the big loss, then switch back to heel when it's time to put over a new dominant heel, and eventually lose a big match a few months/years after you've lost everyone.


    As much as "Austin's heel turn killed the wrestling boom" is a (correct) talking point, it's really Hunter's darn fault because of everything you said. They'd booked to go right into face HHH vs. heel Austin as the post-Mania feud while Rock was gone, going so far as to put heel HHH over face Austin clean a month before he main evented Wrestlemania, giving HHH ... revenge? ... for running over Austin with a car. But instead HHH decided he didn't want to turn and feud with Austin until after Rock did, because the first face who went against Austin would have to put him over to build him up for Rock's return. Instead, Austin & HHH vs. unprepared midcard babyfaces, and the rating dropped from a 5 to a 4 in two months.

    So you'd think he'd be dead to rights in this match with Punk when he'll be up against Vince McMahon for control of the company. But Roman Reigns might have to spear him at the end first.

    (edited by JustinShapiro on 6.1.14 2001)
This was the true peak/nadir of his work as a politician/guy who ruined wrestling, for me. He inexplicably beats Austin as a genuine murderous heel. Austin is then forced to team with him as a fellow heel, HHH gets hurt vs. upstart faces Benoit/Jericho and then returns as a conquering face to unseat Jericho after Jericho has just gone over Rock and Austin on the same night. (His hubris briefly gets him here when he bombs after going on post-Rock/Hogan). After that, Brock Lesnar goes over Hogan, goes over Rock (sending both away) and is then put in place to chase away Austin (obviously, I'm in Inception conspiracy theory mode here, but I believed then and believe now the "let's randomly put Lesnar over Austin on a Raw" idea could have only gotten into Vince's head one possible way). And when HHH is the logical opponent left for Lesnar, Brock runs away to Smackdown (there was literally a "Brock, you beat Rock thanks to me, and now you're not man enough to face me!" promo during this time that Lesnar has to wait a decade to answer) and the unified title is split, leaving HHH on Raw as a champion without ever having to deal with/put over Brock himself.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
        the go-to move for both is to build themselves up huge as a heel and then turn face instead right when it's time for the big loss, then switch back to heel when it's time to put over a new dominant heel, and eventually lose a big match a few months/years after you've lost everyone.


      As much as "Austin's heel turn killed the wrestling boom" is a (correct) talking point, it's really Hunter's darn fault because of everything you said. They'd booked to go right into face HHH vs. heel Austin as the post-Mania feud while Rock was gone, going so far as to put heel HHH over face Austin clean a month before he main evented Wrestlemania, giving HHH ... revenge? ... for running over Austin with a car. But instead HHH decided he didn't want to turn and feud with Austin until after Rock did, because the first face who went against Austin would have to put him over to build him up for Rock's return. Instead, Austin & HHH vs. unprepared midcard babyfaces, and the rating dropped from a 5 to a 4 in two months.

      So you'd think he'd be dead to rights in this match with Punk when he'll be up against Vince McMahon for control of the company. But Roman Reigns might have to spear him at the end first.

      (edited by JustinShapiro on 6.1.14 2001)
    This was the true peak/nadir of his work as a politician/guy who ruined wrestling, for me. He inexplicably beats Austin as a genuine murderous heel. Austin is then forced to team with him as a fellow heel, HHH gets hurt vs. upstart faces Benoit/Jericho and then returns as a conquering face to unseat Jericho after Jericho has just gone over Rock and Austin on the same night. (His hubris briefly gets him here when he bombs after going on post-Rock/Hogan). After that, Brock Lesnar goes over Hogan, goes over Rock (sending both away) and is then put in place to chase away Austin (obviously, I'm in Inception conspiracy theory mode here, but I believed then and believe now the "let's randomly put Lesnar over Austin on a Raw" idea could have only gotten into Vince's head one possible way). And when HHH is the logical opponent left for Lesnar, Brock runs away to Smackdown (there was literally a "Brock, you beat Rock thanks to me, and now you're not man enough to face me!" promo during this time that Lesnar has to wait a decade to answer) and the unified title is split, leaving HHH on Raw as a champion without ever having to deal with/put over Brock himself.


I have a conspiracy podcast, I would love for you to be on. The biggest strike against this is Rock was on his way out regardless of what HHH did. Now, HHH not laying down for Rock in their last match was sorta bullshit. Rock did call him a bitch on the way out the door though. Rock putting Brock over was done to help Brock, but like Hurricane everything Rock did to put someone over HHH would eventually ruin.

The other strike is Austin saying he shouldn't have quit over the Brock thing. He let his emotions get to him and even though he is a giant point about setting Brock/Austin up as a PPV event, he was still an employee refusing to work. I don't think HHH put him in that corner, but any sane person could see where Austin was coming from and this is another case of Vince getting a wild hair up his ass one morning turn out to bite him in the ass. If Rock doesn't show up the next night and its HHH giving the "Take your ball and go home" speech, I think fans would have shit all over that. Rock probably saved this company three to five times by my count.



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