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Alabama vs. Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl, and Florida State vs. Oregon in the Rose Bowl.

Tough break for TCU and Baylor, both of whom I have no doubt would've destroyed either FSU or OSU.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Tough break for TCU and Baylor, both of whom I have no doubt would've destroyed either FSU or OSU.


I wish we could bet on this. With a month to rest up/prepare I think FSU or OSU destroy either TCU or Baylor.

I'm glad Baylor ended up 5 over TCU, because head-to-head ultimately should count a lot. I think if FSU had lost a game 11-1 Baylor would be 4 over 12-1 FSU, but FSU didn't lose and made it a moot point.



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Seven years ago there was a lively debate about if a playoff is need in NCAA D1. Many said it would lessen the importance of a regular season. Did this season feel less than any of the BCS seasons? My favorite team plays in the Big 12. I am still happy they have a playoff. I enjoyed this season as much as any in the last 15 years.


Side note: Who do the Big 12 go after now? They wouldn't win an appeal for a title game with just 10 teams. Logically I would say 2 out of the fallowing teams Houston, Colo St., BYU, Cincinnati, or Memphis. All due to markets they could bring.
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They just gave Bama a bye.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
    Originally posted by texasranger9
    Seven years ago there was a lively debate about if a playoff is need in NCAA D1. Many said it would lessen the importance of a regular season. Did this season feel less than any of the BCS seasons?


Every pundit I've listened to said the regular season was better due to the playoff. Even if you just look at the last weekend of championship games...with the BCS it would've been FSU #1 and Bama #2, so the Pac-12 championship, the Big Ten championship and the TCU/Baylor games would've meant little with FSU and Bama being clear favorites going into the weekend. Instead, all the games had "big game" feels to them regarding the playoff implications.

    Originally posted by texasranger9
    My favorite team plays in the Big 12. I am still happy they have a playoff. I enjoyed this season as much as any in the last 15 years.


I was listening to ESPN radio this morning and they were saying that having six "qualified" teams for four spots was somewhat of an aberration, but I don't buy that. You've got the Power 5 conference champs all having zero or one loss, and I suppose that could be an aberration (Last year Stanford won the Pac-12 with two losses), but it could happen every year and it wouldn't be that surprising. And if Notre Dame or BYU are good that could add another team to that mix.

    Originally posted by texasranger9
    Side note: Who do the Big 12 go after now? They wouldn't win an appeal for a title game with just 10 teams. Logically I would say 2 out of the fallowing teams Houston, Colo St., BYU, Cincinnati, or Memphis. All due to markets they could bring.


If I'm the Big 12, I do nothing yet. It's a sample size of ONE. Their one-loss champ (which was Baylor...the conference's effort to note TCU was co-champs when they lost head-to-head was reactive to the committee and rather pathetic, IMO) didn't get pushed out for a two-loss champ or conference runner-up. And the point was made by several writers that had the two tied Big 12 teams been Texas or Oklahoma they wouldn't have been jumped by Ohio State. (Which is a whole 'nother problem, but Texas and Oklahoma generally play better non-conference skeds than Baylor and TCU did so maybe that's just perception of "brand name" when the reality isn't quite that.) If you're the Big 12, does Houston really do anything besides become the conference doormat? Why not take SMU for the Dallas market, then? And what about other sports? BYU plays in the West Coast Conference with Gonzaga...would they bring anything to the Big 12 hoops table?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.57
    Originally posted by texasranger9
    Seven years ago there was a lively debate about if a playoff is need in NCAA D1. Many said it would lessen the importance of a regular season. Did this season feel less than any of the BCS seasons? My favorite team plays in the Big 12. I am still happy they have a playoff. I enjoyed this season as much as any in the last 15 years.


    Side note: Who do the Big 12 go after now? They wouldn't win an appeal for a title game with just 10 teams. Logically I would say 2 out of the fallowing teams Houston, Colo St., BYU, Cincinnati, or Memphis. All due to markets they could bring.


My contention was not that a four team playoff itself would hurt the regular season, but rather that once you go to any playoff, the expansion talk would never stop, eventually leading to a diminished regular season.

This season has been great(not better or worse than previous to me), but yep sure enough we have tons of expansion talk already. If say you went to eight teams and had an undefeated Bama at number one, why would they play any starters in the SEC title game? A loss and you're still in, so no reason to risk it. It's why I didn't even want to start down the playoff road. But here we are and expansion will come eventually.

As for the Big 12, they've already appealed again, jointly with the ACC, and everyone expects they will win this time. The ACC wants the right to choose top two teams to play for the conference title, rather than having to do division winners. Big 12 just wants to play a title game with only 10 teams. If they expand, I don't think they'll take the easy route and go Houston/SMU.

As for the rankings, I'm good with them. Ohio State really did look impressive late in the season. I am not looking forward to FSU traveling across the country to play Oregon, but at least we get a month to prepare and get healthy. And for Mariotta to hit that Heisman circuit and get fat and lazy.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.82
    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by texasranger9
      Seven years ago there was a lively debate about if a playoff is need in NCAA D1. Many said it would lessen the importance of a regular season. Did this season feel less than any of the BCS seasons? My favorite team plays in the Big 12. I am still happy they have a playoff. I enjoyed this season as much as any in the last 15 years.


      Side note: Who do the Big 12 go after now? They wouldn't win an appeal for a title game with just 10 teams. Logically I would say 2 out of the fallowing teams Houston, Colo St., BYU, Cincinnati, or Memphis. All due to markets they could bring.

    This season has been great(not better or worse than previous to me), but yep sure enough we have tons of expansion talk already. If say you went to eight teams and had an undefeated Bama at number one, why would they play any starters in the SEC title game? A loss and you're still in, so no reason to risk it. It's why I didn't even want to start down the playoff road. But here we are and expansion will come eventually.


The final top 8 were:

1. Bama
2. Oregon
3. FSU
4. The OSU
5. Bu
6. TCU
7. Miss St.
8. Mich St.

Lets say everything stayed the same, except Bama rested its key players vs Missouri, and lost. Having two loses they could of fallen as far as 6th place. Instead of being the 1 seed and playing in the sugar, they would of been playing vs FSU in the Orange Bowl. They might not seem like such a big difference, but it is still something to play for. One way to fix it would be the top 4 teams get home field advantage. Then the top 4 play in bowls.

Think of the drama going into that weekend anyways. We would of had the the #2 seed vs #7 seed playing. The #6 seed vs the #9 seed. The #5 seed vs the #13 seed. The #4 seed vs the #11 seed The #1 seed vs the #16 seed. That feels like a 16 team playoff right there.

(edited by texasranger9 on 11.12.14 1846)
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.57
    Originally posted by texasranger9


    The final top 8 were:

    1. Bama
    2. Oregon
    3. FSU
    4. The OSU
    5. Bu
    6. TCU
    7. Miss St.
    8. Mich St.

    Lets say everything stayed the same, except Bama rested its key players vs Missouri, and lost. Having two loses they could of fallen as far as 6th place. Instead of being the 1 seed and playing in the sugar, they would of been playing vs FSU in the Orange Bowl. They might not seem like such a big difference, but it is still something to play for. One way to fix it would be the top 4 teams get home field advantage. Then the top 4 play in bowls.

    Think of the drama going into that weekend anyways. We would of had the the #2 seed vs #7 seed playing. The #6 seed vs the #9 seed. The #5 seed vs the #13 seed. The #4 seed vs the #11 seed The #1 seed vs the #16 seed. That feels like a 16 team playoff right there.

    (edited by texasranger9 on 11.12.14 1846)


I would wonder though just how far this committee would drop a top team that rested it's starters. They stated a few times that Oregon's loss to Arizona wasn't a big deal because of an injured offensive lineman that didn't play but was back now. So they were a better team than they showed on that day. If someone like Bama purposefully didn't play it's starters, clearly they would be a better team than they showed on that day. Can you drop them out of spite for them doing it? It's not reflective of how good a team they are, and aren't they trying to find "the best teams"?

It's all speculation, but would be interesting to see how things played out in that type of scenario.

But either way, expansion will happen and I won't like it while most others will. It is what it is.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.63
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    I would wonder though just how far this committee would drop a top team that rested it's starters.


I really don't think this would be much of a thing that ever happened. You have teams in basketball where both are more or less guaranteed a tourney spot (like your typical ACC Championship Game) and neither team goes easy and rests players because they are going for a conference championship. I'm even struggling to recall a time where a team had, say, a two game lead for their conference tournament regular season championship and one-seed and rested guys knowing it wouldn't really matter. That just doesn't seem like a thing that happens much, if ever.

I suppose if you look at Alabama's schedule and they were 10-0 and had the SEC West title clinched before a softy against Western Carolina or even a far lesser FBS team like Pickadirectional Louisiana, Bama might plan to be up 42-0 in ten minutes and rest guys, but they wouldn't essentially hand over an Iron Bowl to Auburn just because they had pretty much clinched a playoff spot, right? Especially if seeding is on the line and the difference between winning and losing is in the quality of team you play in the first playoff game (and possibly where you play).



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.57
Basketball isn't a very good comparison, injury risk is much less. We've seen plenty of NFL teams rest starters for the last week or the season though. The bigger the playoff gets, the less anything else matters. Get in and go far.

Maybe it wouldn't happen, but I would not be shocked.
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