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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.32
Well, there's really only one comic to look at this week. Consider "Batman RIP" a false alarm. HERE is the real final fate of Batman.

Before anything, it should be noted that once the initial high wore off, there's still an awful lot of holes in Crisis. I still don't know what's going on with the Flashes or what their purpose is. I don't understand why they even bothered with the OMAC interlude in the "Resist" tie-in. And I sure as hell don't get where they're going with Renee Montoya.

With that said, holy hell was that an ending.

Having escaped captivity, Batman confronts the big guy himself. Face-to-face with Darkseid, Batman makes the one exception to his "no guns" rule by pointing a gun with a Radion bullet right at the face of evil. After a round of dialogue, Darkseid blasts Batman with the Omega Effect, but not before Bats can fire the gun and nail the killing shot. Batman can get one smirk off before the Omega Effect incinerates him.

Issue ends with Superman absolutely TEARING through anything in his way and emerging at the end with Batman's fried corpse.

Ok...where to start...

I still think it is incredibly stupid to kill off THE single-most profitable name in comics (with maybe Spider-Man coming close). This was an ill-advised move from the start. But if the man absolutely HAS to go out, there are worse ways for him to go than dying as the hero of the DCU's most dire hour.

Of course, it'd be insanity to think this death will stick. In a decade where Jason Todd, Bucky Barnes, and BARRY FREAKIN' ALLEN have cheated death, there is zero chance this death sticks. It'll last for a good long while (until...oh say...the next Batman film hits theaters), but it won't last.

I'll just end this with one last thought: Do you think Bob Kane ever imagined his greatest creation would ever meet his end at the hand of a celestial, godly Jack Kirby creation? I somehow doubt that.

(edited by It's False on 15.1.09 0252)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
I don't think Batman's even going to stay dead past the end of Final Crisis. If I recall correctly (and assuming that, for once, Morrison isn't just blatantly lying in order to promote his books), Morrison said that he wasn't just going to kill Batman, that he was going to give him a "fate worse than death." I've thought for a while that the only thing that could be in Batman's case is to put blood on his hands. Batman doesn't kill, ever, except now he has. So I think that's what's going to initiate Battle for the Cowl.


As far as the issue itself, this was one of my least favorite issues so far. The stuff with Tawky Tawny was just plain awesome, and the Tattooed Man was actually pretty interesting as well. Introducing the Miracle Machine into the story was also a good idea. The problem was, everything felt really, really disconnected from everything else. It felt like there was a bunch of stuff I should have been reading elsewhere to understand the story, but I don't even think that's the case. There was just too much missing info.

Also, I really wanted to see Superman come tearing back into the regular world in order to punch out Darkseid, but of course Darkseid's already dead by the time he gets back. Does Superman even have a purpose in this story?
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.83
Huh. Also, really? Really?

Batman's dead?

Really?

I knew of DC Comics' plan to kill Batman, but when I read of that idea months ago, I felt the proper reaction was to shrug and move on. And now that it's done, here's another shrug.

Batman's dead. Okay. Sure.

I would suggest that as an EVENT - and one would think that's what killing BATMAN would be - this is a miserable, dismal failure.

Compare this to Superman's death at the hands of Doomsday in 1992. That was an EVENT. It was big. Not just in comics; the world was watching and paying attention. It made national news; television and newspapers. Even though no one believed Superman was dead forever, it was treated as a pop culture milestone fitting SUPERMAN.

1988, the death of Jason Todd. Also huge. They killed ROBIN! And it didn't even matter if it wasn't Dick Grayson, but the punk ass second Robin the general public had never heard of. ROBIN THE BOY WONDER was dead and while it happened, it was treated as important, another pop culture milestone.

So now in 2009 DC offs Batman. BATMAN. Their most important and lucrative character (sorry, Clark) who just starred in the highest grossing, one of the most critically acclaimed, and arguably the most popular movie of 2008.

And... what? Anyone?

What about how Batman died? Superman died saving Metropolis from a rampaging alien monster. Robin was murdered by the Joker. Those deaths suited their characters. Batman? He died fighting an alien New God, shooting him in the head with a god bullet, before being distinegrated by the Omega Effect. Yeah, that makes sense.

Talking about blowing it.

(edited by John Orquiola on 15.1.09 0702)
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.63
As a HUGE Batman fan, I will reserve judgment until after issue 7 comes out, allegedly in 2 weeks. "Killing" characters is part of comics, and it rarely lasts. But if this is to be semi permanent, it seems it should happened in his own book, in his own world. I agree fighting Darkseid isn't what comes to mind for Bruce's last stand. The "blood on the hands" idea seems much more valid as an excuse to temporarily replace Bruce, which is fine by me. We will see in a few weeks.

I get the feeling DC isn't even trying to make us think it is legit. I haven't heard much mainstream press about this, compared to the death of Cap.

The issue itself was decent, but could have been so much better if it wasn't for Morrison's scatter-shot plotting, and more importantly, his pretentious dialog. So many lines were groan inducing, as if everyone was trying to make Potent Quotables. This has always been a problem I have with Morrison's writing, every line doesn't have to be epic. A little "plain talk" never hurt anyone, as my grandfather once said.




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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.31

Marvel's PR machine timed this exactly right, as the Obama issue of Spidey will obliterate any Batman story this week.

And we all can assume that Batman will be back by the end of the year.





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I think DC's reluctance to go publicize this in the mainstream media may be tied to the fact that it sounds like there will be someone else in the cowl within the next couple of months. When Superman or Robin were killed, those characters disappeared for at least a year or more.

That said, I agree that if this is the end of Bruce Wayne (for at least a year or two), it sucks that it happened at the hands of a cosmic character.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.37
    Originally posted by Stansbury Alum
    I think DC's reluctance to go publicize this in the mainstream media may be tied to the fact that it sounds like there will be someone else in the cowl within the next couple of months. When Superman or Robin were killed, those characters disappeared for at least a year or more.


I guess, but Marvel went all out with the death of Captain America, who got replaced by Bucky.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.31
    Originally posted by Stansbury Alum
    I think DC's reluctance to go publicize this in the mainstream media may be tied to the fact that it sounds like there will be someone else in the cowl within the next couple of months. When Superman or Robin were killed, those characters disappeared for at least a year or more.

    That said, I agree that if this is the end of Bruce Wayne (for at least a year or two), it sucks that it happened at the hands of a cosmic character.


Well, Darkseid may be the DC's #1 heel, so jobbing to him doesn't hurt Batman's heat. :>



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.83

    I think DC's reluctance to go publicize this in the mainstream media may be tied to the fact that it sounds like there will be someone else in the cowl within the next couple of months. When Superman or Robin were killed, those characters disappeared for at least a year or more.



      When Superman died, the body was hardly in the ground before FOUR Supermen showed up to take his place.

      DC blew it. The Death of Superman, whatever one thought of the story (I thought it sucked) SOLD COMIC BOOKS. Jason Todd's death in A Death in the Family (which ruled) SOLD COMIC BOOKS.

      Batman's death? Will it sell comic books? Maybe, if anyone outside of the ever-dwindling comic reading populace knew about it. If it was treated as a mainstream event.

      Of course, the world was different in 1988 and 1992. The comic book industry was very healthy. Now, it's a pale shadow of what it was then. Which is why I don't get not utilizing the death of Batman to maximum effect.

      Coming of The Dark Knight's success, Batman has probably not been this well-regarded by the mainstream since 1989. A Death of Batman event should have been synergized to take advantage of the general public's goodwill towards Batman and gotten brand new eyeballs on his books and on comics at large. He didn't even die in his own book, nor at the hands of a villain he's closely associated with.

      He saved the Universe, true. Defeated the Big Bad of all the DCU. But like It's False said at the start of the thread, that's not what Batman's about.

      (edited by John Orquiola on 15.1.09 0943)
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.85
    Originally posted by Stansbury Alum
    That said, I agree that if this is the end of Bruce Wayne (for at least a year or two), it sucks that it happened at the hands of a cosmic character.


You know, it only goes farther into they mythos that 'Batman can beat anybody'. He beat Darkseid. I think most people, if upset about this, are people who are in the boat that one of the Arkham regulars should have gotten the duke if only because Batman's villains are so cool.

EDIT* DC's top heel is the Joker. In fact, I'd wager if you asked any shlub on the street to name a comic book villain, it'd be him. If you want bonafide evidence, go read Emperor Joker.

(edited by Lexus on 15.1.09 1250)


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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.32
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    Marvel's PR machine timed this exactly right, as the Obama issue of Spidey will obliterate any Batman story this week.


No kidding. Some of these Obama variants are fetching up to $500 on eBay. It's a juggernaut.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.31
    Originally posted by Lexus
      Originally posted by Stansbury Alum
      That said, I agree that if this is the end of Bruce Wayne (for at least a year or two), it sucks that it happened at the hands of a cosmic character.


    You know, it only goes farther into they mythos that 'Batman can beat anybody'. He beat Darkseid. I think most people, if upset about this, are people who are in the boat that one of the Arkham regulars should have gotten the duke if only because Batman's villains are so cool.

    EDIT* DC's top heel is the Joker. In fact, I'd wager if you asked any shlub on the street to name a comic book villain, it'd be him. If you want bonafide evidence, go read Emperor Joker.

    (edited by Lexus on 15.1.09 1250)


I meant in the DC Universe itself, not in terms of brand identity. Certainly, after this year, The Joker would have the #1 Q rating for a DC villain. The only person probably close is Lex Luthor or one of the other A-level Bat villains (Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman).



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For those that are interested in the retailer's perspective on this Obama variant Spider-Man book and it coming out on the same day as they "killed" Batman, check out Brian Hibbs' Tilting at Windmills on Comic Book Resources.





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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.40
I finally picked up my pulls for this week and read it.

Man, I should've stopped reading this series after the second issue, but being the optimist I am, I just wouldn't give up on it. Four issues later, I'm twelve dollars in the hole and four times as frustrated as I was back then.

Grant Morrisson's writing in this series is terrible. I'm sorry, but I simply cannot fathom the apologists who are saying he's simply "trying something new" with comic books or that it's just so layered or that I'd appreciate if I read another project he wrote.

Firstly, the concepts are silly and Morrisson has shown absolutely no ability to use his brain to filter all of the random stuff that might pop up in that addled brain of his. Hell, some of this stuff really does read like it was contrived by a ten-year-old. I mean really, a "miracle machine?" We've gotten that lazy?

Then there's the dialogue. It's great that Grant Morrisson has his "favorites" that he wants highlighted in this book, but would it have killed him to give them something resembling character traits to give us a reason to think they're great? On any given page you can point those word balloons in completely different directions and it wouldn't make a lick of difference.

Speaking of pages...my God, there's some in this comic that have twenty different things going on, none of which were ever given the proper space to make us care about them. Then we're given what's presented as a pay-off for something we couldn't possibly care about given Morrisson's complete breakdown as a storyteller, and I'm supposed to drop my jaw?

I could go on, but the short of it is that I cannot find anything good about Grant Morrisson's writing in this series. I really don't want to be that dismissive, though, so I'm asking somebody who's actually enjoying this series to PLEASE explain to me how any of this has worked for them. Because right now, the only reason I can come up with is that people are either just being contrary for the sake of being contrary (this is the internet after all) or there's some people whose tastes center around straight-up bad writing.




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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.31

I realized today that I think the head-scratching plot is all a tribute to Kirby's fourth world, which was also full of things that just made you go "wha?"

My problem with the new issue is that there were a number of great moments, but they were greater than the sum of all the parts.

I loved Kalibak vs talky tawny. I liked seeing babyface mary batson finally.

The Miracle Machine is a Silver Age legion thing. It was used once, then locked away and then used years later. Matter Eater Lad went crazy when he ate it.

I decided a while ago that this is a book that demands to be read in one sitting, be it in a trade or when all the issues have come out.



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I did read the issue and I'm just late to the conversation. I like this death a little bit better then RIP. At least Bruce took out a big name in his death compared to whoever Dr. Hurt was. I know someone people think he is the leader of the Black Glove or Satan or Bruce's real dad either way its lame. Darkside is at least an established badass. I view Bruce using the gun and not dodging the beams as accepting his punishment for going against his promise to never use a gun. It was also awesome to see Clark go apeshit on everyone to try to get to either rescue Bruce or stop Darkside.

The RIP death does give you an out since there was no body and Nightwing holding the cape and cowl was an awesome shot. I do get the feeling they will revert everything back to make RIP the real death since Bruce is standing behind Damian in that huge Reign of Batmen shot in the back of Final Crisis. Unless, that is Ra as Bruce then it gets more completed. Either way both Grant Morrison's giant events RIP and Final Crisis have been tough and confusing stories to read. I do think with Geoff John's comments about how Final Crisis won't affect Blackest Night, we may never hear DC mention Crisis again. Barry maybe around, but everything else will magically disappear.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.32
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I do get the feeling they will revert everything back to make RIP the real death since Bruce is standing behind Damian in that huge Reign of Batmen shot in the back of Final Crisis. Unless, that is Ra as Bruce then it gets more completed.


Many people think Bruce in that picture is HUSH, who know looks like Bruce. Also, the bandages around his leg might be a wink that's its Hush.

One can only hope that Bats isn't really dead. Otherwise, he likely would be the leader of the Black Lanterns.



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The Omega Beams don't 'kill' so much as send you directly into a sort of superhell. Based on Tower of Babel or any other story where Batman is sent into some alternate state of consciousness, "I'm Batman and this is why..." ALWAYS wins out in the end with his returning.

So yeah, he'll be back. Maybe a run as a Bruce Wayne: Specter where he HAS to kill as a penance. Maybe another of a trillion fantasy scenarios, but he'll be back.



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