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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.59
Guys, guys...relax. It's obvious the Cap that died was a clone Shield had made who had been raised in Secret by Cap's blonde shield agent love interest. I think his name will turn out to have been Ben Rogers, or Steve Reilly...
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.38
    Originally posted by Jericholic53
      Originally posted by skorpio17
        Originally posted by odessasteps

        not the first time.

        won't be the last.

        At least the book is written by marvel's best writer and he can probably months of good stories out of it.


      However, his U. X-Men issues are horrible[...]He built a 12 part storyline around Vulcan in outer space. Vulcan is supposed to be the main hero and he's killing most of the Shiar empire and somewhere in Vulcan's book you can find some of the X-Men.

      I'm not sure who the best Marvel writer is at the moment, but I'm sure it's not him.


    Ummmm.. I think it was pretty clearly stated that way-back-when Vulcan could have been considered a hero, but right now he's all VILLAIN. (See: Killing Banshee, kicking the X-Men's ass) And I think his motivations for attacking the Shiar are pretty well explained in both the Deadly Genesis mini and the start of Brubaker's Uncanny arc, so I'm not sure why you're so mystified about why he's killing them. Uncanny has hardly been "Vulcan starring the X-Men" which you seem to imply. (In fact, IMO, Vulcan's character hasn't been fleshed out nearly enough. Especially what exactly his specific powers even are.) Nonetheless this leads me to believe that you may not exactly be reading the writing you're commenting on.




I didn't read any of his Daredevil, so I can accept that as good even though it would be hard for him to top the Bendis run.

I read every issue in this 12 part story except the one that just came out. I don't even know when Vulcan could have been considered a hero, if he was ever an X-Men, or if he trained under Prof. X. The Deadly Genesis trade just came out this month and I'm halfway through it. It is only OK, not good enough to buy - yet not bad enough to stop reading.

If this storyline isn't all about Vulcan, than I have no clue what it is about. I can take Nightcrawler and Polaris, but the rest of the book is just a version of Rachel/Marvel Girl, a version of the Thunderbird (Native-American and one of the first new X-Men killed, Darwin (created by Brubaker, not Sleeper Cell), and a Shiar with a really big Phoenix sword.

If you think it is a good story, I'd be curious to hear why...
Jericholic53
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.02
Your first post in this thread:
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    Vulcan is supposed to be the main hero ...


vs

Your most recent post:
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    I don't even know when Vulcan could have been considered a hero..


You figure out which one it is, and get back to me so that I don't have to help you argue against yourself.

Also:
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    If this storyline isn't all about Vulcan, than I have no clue what it is about.


I didn't say the story wasn't about Vulcan. But earlier you said:

    Originally posted by skorpio17
    somewhere in Vulcan's book you can find some of the X-Men.


Which is totally inaccurate seeing as how Vulcan-heavy issues only occur every other issue. Furthermore, I was saying that because the confrontation with Vulcan is the ultimate end to the story arc, his character needs to be fleshed out more completely. "Energy manipulation" is a poor description of his power, and his mentality so far has been "generic angry guy out for vengence" at best.

I'm not saying it's the best X-Men story ever, but it's hardly the dreck and droll you were purporting. Also, following the crappy Chuck Austen stories, weird Peter Milligan arc, and Claremont's self-serving Psylocke arc, it's nice to finally get a straight super-hero story, which is what Brubaker's 12 part-er is.



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