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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.82
First of all, a big F-U to the AP for playing spoiler. For God's sake, the comic shops aren't even open yet on the west coast and they felt the need to make it one of their top headlines. Thanks a lot, guys!


Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read

But yes, folks. Captain America is dead (related spoiler link here) at the end of a sniper's bullet.

Of course, there's no way Marvel would KEEP their most iconic character dead. But if anything, this will play out exactly like the Death of Superman 15 years ago. Look for Captain America imitators to start popping up in a couple of weeks.

(edited by It's False on 7.3.07 1015)


(edited by thecubsfan on 7.3.07 1233)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Okay, you complain about the AP spoiling it, and then you don't use spoiler tags. Hmmm. HMMMMMMMMM.

I'm banning you for....uh....15 minutes. TO THE PENALTY BOX.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.65
My initial reaction to this was anger - furious anger. But after I cooled down a bit, I realized that there is just no way that this sticks (if I thought it would, I swear I would be done with Marvel comics forever. Pick up Batman or something). In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that it's probably misdirection to begin with, and we'll see something else going on with Steve Rogers in the next few months.

On a tangent though, I'd like to take a moment to complain about Marvel's editorial staff. I swear, these guys must be secret government agents tasked with destroying comic books forever. They keep taking these heroes, adding decades worth of previously unrevealed atrocities (Scarlet Witch, Professor X) or in Cap's case just writing him so badly out of character that it disgraces him utterly, and then they either kill the characters or make them as unusable as possible.
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Since: 26.3.03
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
I was also spoiled by the morning radio news report. Oh well.

Apparently, even Marvel feels that you don't even have to bother to read the comic. (marvel.com....GIANT SPOILER ON SPLASH PAGE)



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
I'll admit my stomach is still queezy from reading the issue. It's well done, the art is excellent and

Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
with it being done by Crossbones (one of his longtime enemies under orders of the Red Skull)
then you know it'll be set right at some point with the use of the Cosmic Cube.

This was easily the best single of a comic to come out from Marvel in years.

(edited by thecubsfan on 7.3.07 1602)

(edited by thecubsfan on 7.3.07 1602)
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
off topic: Now that I'm thinking about it, is their a spoiler policy for comic books? I...don't remember.

How about this: give everyone 24 hours to get to their favorite comic book store/bit torrent listing site and find out what happened on their own before you start mentioning the important plot details without using spoiler tags.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
Unfortunatly the big character death thing is always the same. A big deal is made about his demise then he comes back (resurrected, it was all fake, etc.)I can't imagine this is any different.


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.71

not the first time.

won't be the last.

At least the book is written by marvel's best writer and he can probably months of good stories out of it.



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Since: 19.8.05
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.44
I actually subscribe to this title but haven't received my issue yet (thanks, Marvel). It's the first to not arrive on Monday or Tuesday. My issue of Hulk arrived Monday, so I thought for sure I would have this by today!

It is one of the few books by Marvel that I read, and was not affected a great deal, surprisingly, by the mess that was Civil War.

I would guess this will be revealed as a ruse so Cap can operate off the grid. Just please, no US Agent filling in for the rest of my subscription.




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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.71

With US Agent in Omega FLight, that's probably not much of a worry.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.82
Possible bait and switch?


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In the Civil War: The Initiative one-shot that also came out, there's a fight between Spider-Woman and Ms. Marvel, with Spider-Woman accusing Iron Man of killing Captain America. Ms. Marvel then tells her that Captain America is actually still alive and being hidden. If this is true, then Marvel (the company, not the Ms.) may have just been swerving everyone this whole time.


(edited by It's False on 7.3.07 2018)



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
I really started getting into the Captain America character following the new marvel Ultimate Alliance game and Brubaker's run on the book which has been excellent. The problem I have is everyone I know that reads comics knows the death won't stick, and are therefore annoyed with yet another attempt of garnering mainstream attention. On the other hand all of my non-comic friends still could care less. So they are basically ticking off their fans to try and sell a few books (which they will do but I think it will be very short term), and then they will bring him back a couple months later. On record I don't want Cap to be dead since I like the character, but I don't believe he is going to "stay dead". I won't be one of these comic fans that say they will never read Marvel again, I know I will and I wouldnt be able to stay away. I'm just annoyed at yet another stupid stunt by the people at Marvel.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.60
say what you will, but it even made Dutch newspapers.
And it got me thinking that maybe I should check out comics more often..

And sure Captain America will live. They can always have someone else don the suit. Maybe Punisher even (since apparently he picked up the mask, right?)



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.02
    Originally posted by It's False
    Possible bait and switch?


    Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
    In the Civil War: The Initiative one-shot that also came out, there's a fight between Spider-Woman and Ms. Marvel, with Spider-Woman accusing Iron Man of killing Captain America. Ms. Marvel then tells her that Captain America is actually still alive and being hidden. If this is true, then Marvel (the company, not the Ms.) may have just been swerving everyone this whole time.


    (edited by It's False on 7.3.07 2018)


Eh, not quite, but maybe: http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=104091

I was still pissed about the Gwen/Osborn kids thing when they first brought in the Winter Soldier, so I groaned and was awaiting the utter destruction of Bucky's character and Cap canon. I'm very happy to say that I was wrong, and the Winter Soldier character has played out beautifully. That alone has made me put a lot of faith in Brubaker's understanding of Captain America as a character and a comic book. That being said, I'm really look forward to the continuation of this arc. In recent years even though he still kicks ass they've saddled Cap with the "old-fashioned man out of his era" pretext a little too much, and I think that this story arc is going to help resuscitate and rejuvenate (no pun intended) Cap's character (when he comes back) as someone who not only belongs in modern times, but is *needed* in modern times.

Sort of off topic: The Winter Soldier character is so complex that it I feel Brubaker should be the only one allowed to write him, as even a simple guest feature of WS doesn't truly capture his essence (see the issue of Wolverine feat. WS). But maybe that's just me.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.44
I finally read the issue, and considering he was pronounced dead off panel, that leaves it pretty open ended. I know we see him on the slab, but that might be a double.

I think it is part of a plan by Cap, Fury, and maybe a few others. The thing with Sharon was interesting I thought.

Brubaker's run has been a critical success, but I don't think it has translated to sales. I assume this is all a part of a plan to rectify that. I hope so, because anyone who doesn't read this book is missing out on one of the best titles on the market. Stunts, or not.




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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
Regarding the issue...


Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read

They make it pretty damn clear that it was the three gunshots from Sharon Carter [brainwashed by the Red Skull and Dr. Faustus] that killed Captain America. The sniper shot merely wounded him.




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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
    Originally posted by Freeway
    Regarding the issue...


    Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read

    They make it pretty damn clear that it was the three gunshots from Sharon Carter [brainwashed by the Red Skull and Dr. Faustus] that killed Captain America. The sniper shot merely wounded him.



Hey! I didn't spoil THAT part of the story.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.38
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    not the first time.

    won't be the last.

    At least the book is written by marvel's best writer and he can probably months of good stories out of it.


I never bought a Captain America comic either way, so I'm not at a big loss. Didn't care for the resurrection of the Green Goblin, turning Gwen into a slut, or bringing back Bucky. However DC did a good job in bringing back Jason Todd.

I've got to disagree with Brubaker being Marvel's best writer. As good as the Winter Soldier story may have been, it is based on a cheap gimmick as is the current death and resurrection storyline.

Brubaker was good at writing Batman, Sleeper, and Criminal. However, his U. X-Men issues are horrible. He insists on creating his own X-Men characters, retconning the continuity, and using them to the exclusion of the real X-Men.

He built a 12 part storyline around Vulcan in outer space. Vulcan is supposed to be the main hero and he's killing most of the Shiar empire and somewhere in Vulcan's book you can find some of the X-Men. His only solace is that the other current X-Men title with Sabertooth is just as bad with another spacy story and awful art.

His Iron Fist is unreadable and has bad art.

I'm not sure who the best Marvel writer is at the moment, but I'm sure it's not him.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.02
    Originally posted by skorpio17
      Originally posted by odessasteps

      not the first time.

      won't be the last.

      At least the book is written by marvel's best writer and he can probably months of good stories out of it.


    However, his U. X-Men issues are horrible[...]He built a 12 part storyline around Vulcan in outer space. Vulcan is supposed to be the main hero and he's killing most of the Shiar empire and somewhere in Vulcan's book you can find some of the X-Men.

    I'm not sure who the best Marvel writer is at the moment, but I'm sure it's not him.


Ummmm.. I think it was pretty clearly stated that way-back-when Vulcan could have been considered a hero, but right now he's all VILLAIN. (See: Killing Banshee, kicking the X-Men's ass) And I think his motivations for attacking the Shiar are pretty well explained in both the Deadly Genesis mini and the start of Brubaker's Uncanny arc, so I'm not sure why you're so mystified about why he's killing them. Uncanny has hardly been "Vulcan starring the X-Men" which you seem to imply. (In fact, IMO, Vulcan's character hasn't been fleshed out nearly enough. Especially what exactly his specific powers even are.) Nonetheless this leads me to believe that you may not exactly be reading the writing you're commenting on.

On a Cap related note, Brubaker apparently resides in the state of Washington, and was kind enough to come down to the local Zanadu comics and sign ALL the copies of Cap #25 there for free. And to Zanadu's credit, they sold them all at the normal price. Very cool all around.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.71
    Originally posted by skorpio17
      Originally posted by odessasteps

      not the first time.

      won't be the last.

      At least the book is written by marvel's best writer and he can probably months of good stories out of it.


    I never bought a Captain America comic either way, so I'm not at a big loss. Didn't care for the resurrection of the Green Goblin, turning Gwen into a slut, or bringing back Bucky. However DC did a good job in bringing back Jason Todd.

    I've got to disagree with Brubaker being Marvel's best writer. As good as the Winter Soldier story may have been, it is based on a cheap gimmick as is the current death and resurrection storyline.

    Brubaker was good at writing Batman, Sleeper, and Criminal. However, his U. X-Men issues are horrible. He insists on creating his own X-Men characters, retconning the continuity, and using them to the exclusion of the real X-Men.

    He built a 12 part storyline around Vulcan in outer space. Vulcan is supposed to be the main hero and he's killing most of the Shiar empire and somewhere in Vulcan's book you can find some of the X-Men. His only solace is that the other current X-Men title with Sabertooth is just as bad with another spacy story and awful art.

    His Iron Fist is unreadable and has bad art.

    I'm not sure who the best Marvel writer is at the moment, but I'm sure it's not him.


you left our Daredevil, which i think is better than Cap.



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