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Since: 27.6.02
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#1 Posted on
When I started to think about CRZ's walkout from the wrestling world (which may last all of one day, but still...), I came to realize how it was such a positive thing for himself. It shows how level-headed and in touch with reality he is. I'll explain with a short anecdote, if you'll bear with me.

Once, I saw a person at the mall, and he had a tattoo on his arm that read "nWo 4 LIFE!". This was in early 2001, and I sure hope that he REALLY loved the nWo when he had it done, because in reality it had become "nWo 4 angles between reformations", "nWo 4 months at a time", and now "nWo 4 gotten".

I understand being a huge fan of a wrestler, or feeling disappoined with a promoter's actions, but (unless you are someone in the business) if you ever get into wrestling to the point where you scar yourself over it, or get depressed or angry to the point that it affects your personal life, you are absolutely insane.

Wrestling is on a downturn, and Bischoff is angering many people because his ideas and policies may bring the business down. But, to me, if the product ever gets so bad that I don't enjoy it, I won't complain. I'll just naturally lose interest in the story lines, stop watching, and move on to other forms of entertainment. Sure, it's fun to watch wrestling, but there's so much else out there one could do. If wrestling went away, would it be that horrible? I would be ECSTATIC if it got to the point where it was so bad that I lost interest. Between Heat, Raw, Smackdown, and visiting wrestling websites, I devote around 7 hours a week to it. I'm sure those who catch Velocity, Confidential, NWA-TNA, WWE PPVs, and various indy shows put in as much as 15-20 hours a week.

Yes, if the WWE gets unwatchable, it is disappointing. If the ratings fall to unsustainable levels and the federation folds, it is a tragedy, and loss of a true cultural entity. However, if it also freeing.

Should you feel that you and wrestling are just drifting too far apart, let it go. Accept the fact that you don't get along right now, and leave it until it changes back to how you like it. If it should go away entirely (however unlikely), accept it. You can still watch recordings of your favorite matches and segments, and play the video games, and see an indy show on occasion. And you have lots of free time to do something more worthwhile, as well.

I don't know what happened with CRZ, but my guess is that he realized that he and wrestling just aren't getting along right now, and has moved on for the time being. Even a superfan can leave his idols behind if he realizes that it's all just a hobby. Don't let it become so important to you that you are an obsessed fan "4 LIFE!". You'll just be disappointed.

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#2 Posted on
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Damn good post. I don't really have anything to add, but figured I'd give you some props before someone does the usual "fuck you don't tell me how to watch wrestling!"

Good work, you're 100% right.

(edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 16.7.02 1816)


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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by BobHollySTILLRules
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    Damn good post. I don't really have anything to add, but figured I'd give you some props before someone does the usual "fuck you don't tell me how to watch wrestling!"



Fuck you, don't tell me how to watch wrestling! :)
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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by BobHollySTILLRules
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    Damn good post. I don't really have anything to add, but figured I'd give you some props before someone does the usual "fuck you don't tell me how to watch wrestling!"

    Good work, you're 100% right.

    (edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 16.7.02 1816)



Thank you. How positive!

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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by SmooveK
    Yes, if the WWE gets unwatchable, it is disappointing. If the ratings fall to unsustainable levels and the federation folds, it is a tragedy, and loss of a true cultural entity. However, if it also freeing.


A fan of wrestling doesn't depend on the WWE.

I don't.

Tapes. They are out there. And they are good.

Wrestling.




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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jim LotFP
    A fan of wrestling doesn't depend on the WWE.

    I don't.

    Tapes. They are out there. And they are good.

    Wrestling.



Yes, but the big point here is withdrawal from WWE fandom. Watching tapes of other feds doesn't support WWE. Watching old WWF (since I don't think there's any tapes from the changeover) tapes doesn't necessarily subject you to their current actions which are driving you away from the current product. The best way to show your disapproval, although it might be a bit much, is to stop watching WWE TV, stop going to WWE live shows, and stop buying WWE merch. Indulge your wrestling habit as you will, but if you don't like what they're putting out, there are alternatives. And I think that's what he was getting at there--if WWE runs itself out of business, it's probably the end of wrestling at that size. But it's not the end of wrestling.
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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by drjayphd
    And I think that's what he was getting at there--if WWE runs itself out of business, it's probably the end of wrestling at that size. But it's not the end of wrestling.


Well, I agree with that. But the main point is that perhaps people take the wrestling business too seriously, so that they become traumatized if the business sinks. You know, you should make sure that wrestling isn't your whole life in case it DOES sink, as it looks like it possibly may. If you're not able to go without it, it's time to cope NOW before anything more traumatizing happens.

I don't know if this applies to anybody here, I was just concerned enough to make sure. The idiot with the nWo tattoo got too into the storylines and now he's suffering. The same could happen to anyone who is a wrestling addict; he may become emotionally scarred.

That's why I praise CRZ's walkout. He knew watching would be unpleasant, and he is just able to stop (from what it seems). Someone like, say, Scott Keith would continue to dwell on it, and as it gets worse and worse, keep complaining like there's some way he could help. But as great of a booker he thinks he is, he has no pull in the industry, and would keep writing and stressing out over the product, and hating it the entire time. This is unhealthy and foolish. (Yes, I KNOW how he "gave up" WCW during it's bleak period, but there was WWF and ECW at the time, as well. Don't think for a second that he would leave the internet wrestling community completely if all the product happens to go south.)

Sometimes, you just have to let go. Get the tapes of the classics if you like, but just don't stress over the WWE's problems. You don't have to go down with the ship.

-K



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#8 Posted on
I'm just disturbed by the fact that Major League Baseball and the NHL are both facing major labour problems in the next few years, and combined with WWE's problems, I'm losing three of my favourite forms of sports/entertainment.



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#9 Posted on
there is still year-round football.



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#10 Posted on
Well, according to Slam!Wrestling...there are...two major indy promotions running within a 2 hour's drive. 2 hours.

Canadian Championship Wrestling out of Edmonton
Stampede Wrestling out of Calgary

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#11 Posted on
http://jkyle.com says:


    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I'm just disturbed by the fact that Major League Baseball and the NHL are both facing major labour problems in the next few years, and combined with WWE's problems, I'm losing three of my favourite forms of sports/entertainment.


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#12 Posted on
Yup. I haven't seriously watched since that Tommy Dreamer/Undertaker/bucket 'o puke incident. I caught it a couple weeks straights after Austin left just to see how they were trying to adjust. And no sir, I didn't like it.

I've been watching wrestling since I was about 4-5 years old. I'm 23 now, so that's 18-19 years of being a fan. I watched Superstars & Challenge every Saturday morning until they died out & moved to USA. I turned the TV on in my room & kept the volume down really low so I could watch Prime Time Wrestling every Monday night, and enjoy the banter between Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon - god rest his soul.

In all that time, I never got tired of wrestling, and never got tired of the WWF. I stuck through the crappy early 90s, mainly because I was too much of a mark to know any better. I did switch to WCW for a while when the nWo started up, but I taped RAW and watched it the next day.

My point is in all this time, I've never had a problem with the WWF. I never turned away. I have caught damn near every show they've aired in the past 18 years, and I've gone to every live event in the DC Metro area & Virginia.

But now I just don't care. I would read CRZ's Raw & Smackdown recaps & say to myself "Looks like I didn't miss anything interesting."

It's become a parody of itself. Everyone is so damn hypocritical. Not too long ago, Vince, JR & all the other puppets would run down guys like Hogan & Flair for staying past their prime, and now their main eventing WWE shows again.

Austin's gone, The Rock's making movies, Triple H sucks as a face, Angle's been made into a joke, and Taker's not getting any younger. All the guys I used to root for & enjoy each week either aren't around, or aren't being used right.

So, I'll just say that for now I'm finding other ways to spend my Monday & Thursday nights (Morrowind). There are some good things in the WWE right now (Booker T, Goldust, RVD, Lesnar, etc.), but for now the bad outweighs the good. I don't intend to watch any time soon. I ate out of Vince's hand for the past 19 years - he's going to have to win me back this time, I'm not just going to blindly follow.



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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by CobraTFHS
    I ate out of Vince's hand for the past 19 years - he's going to have to win me back this time, I'm not just going to blindly follow.


What would it take to bring you back? A certain push, or the elimination of certain talents or writers?

-K



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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by SmooveK

      Originally posted by CobraTFHS
      I ate out of Vince's hand for the past 19 years - he's going to have to win me back this time, I'm not just going to blindly follow.


    What would it take to bring you back? A certain push, or the elimination of certain talents or writers?

    -K



See, that's the thing, I'm really not sure. It's not just one thing I don't like about today's product, it's everything as a whole. None of the main eventers really click with me anymore except for Angle, and Jericho (if he can still be considered main event). The story lines just don't interest me, and I'm getting tired of Vince always putting himself and his family over the talent. Shane is the only McMahon I can tolerate on camera for extended amounts of time.

But, all in all, I've just lost interest in it. It's been going downhill for a while now, and it's just finally gotten to the point where I can't find enough good in the product as a whole to keep me watching.



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#15 Posted on
I know for me all it would take is for something interesting to start happening again. When I was a kid I watched wrestling for as far back as I can remember. At some point I stopped and don't remember why.

Then around 1996 I started watching again. Why, because the NWO got me interested again.

Now I haven't fully stopped watching all together. I'll watch if it's on and I'm around. It's just not a must see anymore.



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It all depends on one's taste. if it's the storylines one craves, than they may have to wait a little bit longer than others. For people like myself who watch for the Art, we too may have to wait a little while (long interview segments, backstage vingettes) but we have the benifit of knowing that 99% of storylines end in the ring, meaning we will be exposed to some form of the Art one way or the other.

(edited by El Nastio on 17.7.02 1613)


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#17 Posted on
"I know for me all it would take is for something interesting to start happening again. When I was a kid I watched wrestling for as far back as I can remember. At some point I stopped and don't remember why.

Then around 1996 I started watching again. Why, because the NWO got me interested again.

Now I haven't fully stopped watching all together. I'll watch if it's on and I'm around. It's just not a must see anymore."

This almost totally describes me right now, although since the NWO in the WWE I've been going a little bit more out of my way to watch wrestling (definately more than I did after WCW went down--actually I didn't watch WWF at all after that.)

I just think everything is kind of BLAH right now. It sucks because I have just been getting back into wrestling the past 6 months as something to veg and dumb-down to after working all day. But now it just seems like there aren't that many big reasons to watch. Sleazy-E was NEVER a reason I watched WCW, so I don't know how much appeal seeing his mug on TV again is going to have for me. I really do think I'm just going back to flipping it on every now and then to see if my favorites are on, but I am probably not going out of my way to watch anymore--I'm just going to "watch TV" in general again instead of "watching wrestling." Thanks for your description again though, that totally matches my whole wrestling experience.

DMC





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#18 Posted on
It's a down cycle. Vince and the creative types can't seem to find the magic they had from 1997 until WCW expired in March of last year. I don't have confidence in the creative/writing team they have in place right now. This team botched what should have been the greatest angle EVER (WWF vs. WCW)!!! The storylines have either been rushed or dropped on a whim. Inconsistency...
I don't know if the team needs a complete overhaul, but I do know they need to look in the mirror to see the problems with the WWF.



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#19 Posted on
I thought that better televised matches was a start. When they did the RVD/ Guererro ladder match- I was hoping that it started a trend of having better quality matches on RAW and Smackdown. (Better quality meaning that they lasted longer, and weren't just to set up a run-in or something similar.) That is something that would keep my interest peaked. Other than that, the Booker T/ Goldust segments are probably the only non-wrestling segments that I really enjoy.
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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by CobraTFHS
    Yup. I haven't seriously watched since that Tommy Dreamer/Undertaker/bucket 'o puke incident. I caught it a couple weeks straights after Austin left just to see how they were trying to adjust. And no sir, I didn't like it.

    I've been watching wrestling since I was about 4-5 years old. I'm 23 now, so that's 18-19 years of being a fan. I watched Superstars & Challenge every Saturday morning until they died out & moved to USA. I turned the TV on in my room & kept the volume down really low so I could watch Prime Time Wrestling every Monday night, and enjoy the banter between Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon - god rest his soul.

    In all that time, I never got tired of wrestling, and never got tired of the WWF. I stuck through the crappy early 90s, mainly because I was too much of a mark to know any better. I did switch to WCW for a while when the nWo started up, but I taped RAW and watched it the next day.

    My point is in all this time, I've never had a problem with the WWF. I never turned away. I have caught damn near every show they've aired in the past 18 years, and I've gone to every live event in the DC Metro area & Virginia.

    But now I just don't care. I would read CRZ's Raw & Smackdown recaps & say to myself "Looks like I didn't miss anything interesting."

    It's become a parody of itself. Everyone is so damn hypocritical. Not too long ago, Vince, JR & all the other puppets would run down guys like Hogan & Flair for staying past their prime, and now their main eventing WWE shows again.

    Austin's gone, The Rock's making movies, Triple H sucks as a face, Angle's been made into a joke, and Taker's not getting any younger. All the guys I used to root for & enjoy each week either aren't around, or aren't being used right.

    So, I'll just say that for now I'm finding other ways to spend my Monday & Thursday nights (Morrowind). There are some good things in the WWE right now (Booker T, Goldust, RVD, Lesnar, etc.), but for now the bad outweighs the good. I don't intend to watch any time soon. I ate out of Vince's hand for the past 19 years - he's going to have to win me back this time, I'm not just going to blindly follow.



That's the story of my life, and exactly where I am right now. Bravo.
As to what will get my interest again? Consistancy, good matches and less storylines involving corporate warfare. That's all I ask.
God, I wish I could get NWA. The Jarretts could make so much more money right now if they had a TV deal.



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