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Ricky Steamboat has signed a deal with WWE to be an agent. Due to his new obligations, he will stop working for Ring of Honor. His final show with ROH will be their Final Battle show in Philly this Sunday. [PWInsider.com]


I was thinking about attending that show since him and Foley are going to have another confrontation scheduled. Too bad, they advertised Foley/Steamboat in Washington later in the week as well. I don't know what this says for ROH, but I don't think its positive unless you are one of the wrestlers who is good friends with Ricky and want a try out.



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If nothing else it should give a credible voice lobbying for guys with a different style than most of what WWE offers today. Perhaps that voice will get lost in the shuffle, but it's something. I don't see Ricky Steamboat pushing for, oh say, less Matt Hardy and more A-Train.



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I hope this turns out to be a great thing. I'm hoping that he's placed with the Smackdown crew and will have a voice in getting the cruiserweights more of a push.





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I would think since the older wrestlers are on RAW it may benefit the Smackdown crew to get the Dragon. The problem for a Smackdown/Dragon connection is there have been to many failures in the past. I see that brand as a WCW, shuffle bookers and never get their feet off the ground type of show. The instability could give Ricky instant cold feet about putting his opinion out there and it could equal a big failure.

It may be better for Steamboat to be with Raw for a bit to make the right connections in the company without stepping on shoes. His relationship or respect with Ric Flair could be the golden ticket to Vince's ear; which could help him avoid the Heyman growing pains.




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If we've learned anything from the Paul Heyman situation, it's that if you rock the boat, you won't last long. Vince has had the cruiserweights for YEARS and has mishandled them- to think he's going to listen to Ricky Steamboat (if he even does push for them to get more time) is a pipe dream, IMO.



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That may well be, but if Steamboat just toes the line then so what, they might as well have brought in Pete Gas as an agent. It doesn't take much talent or knowledge about the business to say "yep, you're right Vince, I think the people are really digging Heidenreich".

If Steamboat comes in, offers new ideas, and gets ignored/fired, nothing is really lost. Steamboat made some money and is still loved by one and all. Who knows, though...perhaps a respected guy with a fresh take might be listened to. Deep down they don't want to listen to Heyman for whatever reason, and I don't know of anyone else who might have a different perspective that's already with the company.



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I guess it really comes down to what the job description of an agent actually is. And if the cruisers are still only getting 4-5 minute matches, I don't know how much help you can really give. I mean, if they were to expand match times (on TV more than PPV, but even then sometimes the cruisers get jipped), then I think Steamboat would be a great asset in helping plot out matches for any wrestler.

I'm sure Vince will listen to any ideas he has, but I don't know that they'd actually be implemented. Depends on what mood Vince is in that day, I guess.

I'm laughing on the inside at the sight of Pete Gas, Road Agent, by the way.



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Why has everyone associated Ricky Steamboat with the cruiser-weights?

He weighed about 240 pounds, he fought over the Intercontinental Title, United States, and World Title. He never went after the NWA light heavyweight belt, so why associate him in that class? Steamboat was a guy that wrestled everyone and was able to have a good match. He would not be able to bring as much to the cruisers as he would to the mid-card wrestlers.

I say give the Dragon Carlito Cool, John Cena, or better yet Randy Orton. Orton could either sink or swim with the Dragon leading the way. Look Ricky was not a mic man, ala Benoit, but he had the attributes in the ring. He could be the one guy in this sport that can get Randy to tell a story in the ring.

Good Luck Ricky Steamboat!

(edited by TopTenPro on 22.12.04 2337)


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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.33
    Originally posted by TopTenPro
    Why has everyone associated Ricky Steamboat with the cruiser-weights?

    He weighed about 240 pounds, he fought over the Intercontinental Title, United States, and World Title. He never went after the NWA light heavyweight belt, so why associate him in that class? Steamboat was a guy that wrestled everyone and was able to have a good match. He would not be able to bring as much to the cruisers as he would to the mid-card wrestlers.

    I say give the Dragon Carlito Cool, John Cena, or better yet Randy Orton. Orton could either sink or swim with the Dragon leading the way. Look Ricky was not a mic man, ala Benoit, but he had the attributes in the ring. He could be the one guy in this sport that can get Randy to tell a story in the ring.

    Good Luck Ricky Steamboat!

    (edited by TopTenPro on 22.12.04 2337)


Ricky Steamboat was BILLED as 240, which means he was probably 215-230. He wrestled well, typically against guys who were about 240, so he developed a workrate and moveset that made it so he didn't do a lot of power stuff but relied on technical prowess and speed to win, similar to guys like Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit & Eddie Guerrero, all of whom are coincidentally about the same size as Steamer.



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From all I ever read anywhere from ROH guys, Steamboat is a valuable mind (well, duh) that is more than willing to share his knowledge with young workers, and the ROH workers always spoke extremely highly of Steamboat not only as a legendary worker but as a locker room presence. There's no doubt he could do a lot of good for WWE, but they've got Dean Malenko, Fit Finlay, Arn Anderson, etc. as agents and nothing really changes.

I think I remember hearing that HHH is a big Steamboat fan, and if those two see eye-to-eye on some things, that could be a very big positive step forward. HHH has Flair right there, obviously, but Flair is still on-air talent and likely sees things in a different light than Steamboat does being away from the ring for so long and being an observer rather than an active participant.

As far as what he could add, there are the obvious advantages of having one of the best workers to ever grace a ring helping out your talent. I agree with TopTenPro (whaaaa) that Steamboat would probably be of best use working with guys like Orton, Cena and Carlito.

It's definitely nice, although strange, that the agent positions and things of that nature are getting away from Patterson and Brisco types, and more guys like Steamboat and the other three I mentioned earlier. Makes me feel kind of old so I can't imagine what it's like for the fans that grew up with Patterson and Brisco and such as wrestlers and now they're starting to go by the wayside for guys *I* grew up on. But as long as Ric Flair's still wrestling, the fountain of youth remains for us all.



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Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit & Eddie Guerrero, all of whom are coincidentally about the same size as Steamer.

How does this differ from what I said? Those guys are all former World champions none are cruiserwieghts. If you are backing up my point I appreciate it.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by TopTenPro
    Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit & Eddie Guerrero, all of whom are coincidentally about the same size as Steamer.

    How does this differ from what I said? Those guys are all former World champions none are cruiserwieghts. If you are backing up my point I appreciate it.


They're all smaller than Steamboat, actually. And 2 of them are cruiserweights (Benoit & Guerrero), they're just not pushed as such.

Ricky will be tremendously useful to the babyfaces of whatever show he's on.




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    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
    Ricky will be tremendously useful to the babyfaces of whatever show he's on.



According to various quotes by Lex Luger, Luger gives Steamboat credit as being invaluable to him for giving him heel pointers during their program together in 1989.

I guess despite never working heel himself, Steamboat worked with enough of the best heels of his era to know how they should act to draw heat effectively.

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Money says that the WWE is doing this just to spite ROH. They'll tell you right to their face that ROH isn't a threat to them (not that they're a major threat, but a threat nonetheless), but moves like this and Foley talking to Joe are pretty good indicators that they notice something out of ROH.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
    Originally posted by TheMikeSays
    Money says that the WWE is doing this just to spite ROH. They'll tell you right to their face that ROH isn't a threat to them (not that they're a major threat, but a threat nonetheless), but moves like this and Foley talking to Joe are pretty good indicators that they notice something out of ROH.


They hire someone everybody respects, and they're doing it out of spite. They hire stooges, and they don't care about the fans. WWE can't win.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.83
    Originally posted by TheMikeSays
    Money says that the WWE is doing this just to spite ROH. They'll tell you right to their face that ROH isn't a threat to them (not that they're a major threat, but a threat nonetheless), but moves like this and Foley talking to Joe are pretty good indicators that they notice something out of ROH.


There's no way WWE sees ROH as a threat to them in any way. McMahon will say that TNA isn't competition, but we all know that they are in some ways (even if they aren't actually competing at this point). But ROH? I don't think so, just because I don't think ROH _wants_ to be mainstream. They seem quite content being the de facto number three promotion in the US, appealing to a niche audience of workrate fans and internet types.

And even if they wanted to spite ROH, I think they'd just offer Samoa Joe or one of their other big name wrestlers an offer they couldn't refuse.
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