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Since: 6.3.02
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So the anti-mp3 music technology is finally upon us. My roommate purchased the new Natalie Imbruglia cd (there's no accounting for taste...) and apparently there is a warning in the booklet about how it contains "anti-ripping" technology. Problem is... you can't even play it on your pc. It won't work AT ALL on any of the 4 computers we have tried it on so far. Is this the future of all cd's now? If so, its complete crap. I can understand the record companies desire to stop file swapping, even if I disagree with them. But telling us where we can and cannot listen to the music we pay ridiculously high prices for? If this is the coming trend... we will no longer be able to listen to music at work or at a computer lab on disc. Granted, it may take a while to fully catch on and chances are that someone somewhere will come up with a hack or something to counter it, but the principal behind the matter is insane. Not only are we being jacked for the disc itself, but now we are limited to how we can listen to them. I would love to show the record companies that we will not stand for this, but I'm not sure of how. I would love to propose that we as consumers refuse to buy and new cd's for one week, just one week. May not sound like much, but the RIAA will know that the consumers will not be blindly led around. Yes, its a pipe dream that enough people would ever pull together to make a statement like that, but I for one am pissed about this. Just wanted to see how others felt about this...

(edited by Marx_of_Death23 on 9.3.02 1219)
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I hate it.

I'd go into the reasoning, but I have a huge cut on my hand right now, so I don't feel like typing.

Anyway, there's a bill right now being proposed in the House or Senate that would disallow CD companies to put such technology on future CDs (because it hurts consumer's ability to play CDs how they want to).

I doubt if it'll pass, but it's getting a HUGE amount of support by consituants, which should show you how the people feel about this issue.

My thought: these unburnable CDs won't last another year. There'll be WAY to many complaints about it.



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Since: 4.2.02
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it won't last. you might want to search www.slashdot.org for more info.



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Considering the relative ease with which the 'net community has evaded copy protections in the past (Dreamcast and PS1 boot discs, for example), I don't envision this anti-ripping technology to last long. I have to wonder if this technology would cause conflicts with DVD players/PS2s/XBoxes.

On the other hand, it IS Natalie Imbruglia we're talking here. The only ripping I'd like to do- aaahh, nevermind, you know where I'm going with that.

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yeah, i'm sure there will be technology and ways to get around it, but my point is that it shouldn't be here in the first place. did the RIAA bad cassette tapes when it was realized that people could tape songs off of the radio? no. i just think the RIAA is distancing itself more and more from its biggest spenders by the horrible way it is handling the digital future.
and Travis.. i definately know where you are going with that... i agree :)



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    Originally posted by Marx_of_Death23
    yeah, i'm sure there will be technology and ways to get around it, but my point is that it shouldn't be here in the first place. did the RIAA bad cassette tapes when it was realized that people could tape songs off of the radio? no. i just think the RIAA is distancing itself more and more from its biggest spenders by the horrible way it is handling the digital future.
    and Travis.. i definately know where you are going with that... i agree :)



You seem to be operating under the idea that the RIAA cares about consumers. It does not. It's concerned with one thing. I'll give you a hint. Starts with "y", ends with "our hard earned money paying for A&Rs to eat lobster out of the cunts of Scores girls while the artists go broke once MTV screws up their promotional program, or the consumers stop caring because the production values and content were sacrificed in favour of ridiculous deadlines".

Phew.



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Since: 6.3.02
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    Originally posted by Travis
    You seem to be operating under the idea that the RIAA cares about consumers. It does not. It's concerned with one thing. I'll give you a hint. Starts with "y", ends with "our hard earned money paying for A&Rs to eat lobster out of the cunts of Scores girls while the artists go broke once MTV screws up their promotional program, or the consumers stop caring because the production values and content were sacrificed in favour of ridiculous deadlines".

    Phew.



silly me... i keep letting that slip my mind....



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Since: 4.2.02
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there are two very important differences between casette dubbing and mp3:

1. when you record a song off the radio or even tape it from a cd, there is a noticable decrease in sound quality. you do not get an exact copy. granted, there isn't a huge difference with a "made for cd" cassette played on a decent stereo but there is a difference.

2. when you dub to casette, you only have one copy. barring special equipment, the most you can make at once is two. even with high speed dubbing, it's still a time consuming task. with mp3 (or ogg vorbis, etc) you have an almost instantaneous copy and when you put that on the internet, you are broadcasting (in theory) as many copies as your bandwidth and throughput will allow.

on top of those two key difference, there is also a tax on blank casettes that goes to the riaa. thank you, al gore and pmrc pressure tactics. frank zappa speaks on this at length in _the real frank zappa book_. jello biafra does as well on some of his spoken word albums.



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Since: 2.1.02
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there is also a tax on blank casettes that goes to the riaa.

Can you please elaborate? I've never heard that before.



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there's the "home audio recording act of 1992" but this seems to be limited to redefining the original 1976 law to include DATs.

Click Here

sections toward the bottom outline a convoluted system of assigning royalties.

Click Here has a year-by-year review of home recording taxes. apparently the '91 bill included a 3% tax on "media", which i would assume includes any recording medium.

most of the other sites i'm finding through google deal with a '99 canadian bill, which i'm disregarding because i don't live in canadia.

still, i'm at a loss here. nothing i'm finding corresponds with the time frame of frank zappa's obscenity trial (which i think was 85, around the time prince's "purple rain" came out). i'm also blanking as to the year dead kennedys went on trial (and i sold of those cds).

both zappa and (later) biafra pointed out there was a new home recording act bill sponsored by al gore being debated at the time they were defending themselves against obscenity charges.

(edited by Notorious F.A.B. on 11.3.02 1105)
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Since: 10.2.02
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I just read an article in the Toronto Sun that said that as of January 1, 2003 the price of blank CDs in Canada is going to be jacked up by "x" amount of dollars with that money going as royalties to the record industry.

As for these unburnable cds, I believe that the problem with them from a legal stand point is that say for every 1000 CDs that an artist puts out, 10 of them would have this "unburnable" technology built in to them, and that since there is nothing on the outside of the packaging that says this cd will not work in car stereos or computers and even some diskmen, that the consumer is not getting what they think they are paying for. It's sort of like false advertising. I'm pretty sure the unburnable CDs are just in a test stage right now to see if they will work.

I've got 1308 mp3s on my computer, but, here's a funny story, I still go out and buy CDs.



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and i'm sure you're with the majority of the rip-happy populace.

slashdot ran a story a while back about some sort of proposed "unhackable" HDTV standard that involved the use of an extra wire. for however unpiratable the technology will turn out to be, it makes every HDTV out there obsolote and they aren't inexpensive devices.

it's bullshit that "industry" plans to protect their content and whatnot all seem to involve screwing some portion of their consumer base.



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Since: 10.2.02
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Has the record industry even lost that much money ever since digital music hit big? Have CD sales been down that much? And if they have, are they sure it's due to digital music and not due to other factors? It all seems so pety to me.



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I was under the impression that CD sales increased during the age of Napster, and decreased after it was shut down. But in any case, it's not about sales. It's about control. It's also about limiting the ability for independent artists to widely distribute their music without getting the major labels involved, but of course you'll never hear that from the major labels (or from the news organizations who just so happen to have the same parent companies as the major labels).



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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by antizeus
    But in any case, it's not about sales. It's about control.


word.

i forget who bought rawkus records (warner?) but whoever did is now just sitting on all the artists they aquired. it's a damn good thing company flow saw it coming and left the label before the shit hit fan, but now there is a supposedly finished sophomore album from black star just collecting dust because it doesn't fit that jay-z formula.

i was with "the record industry" when it came to napster. a company (napster) shouldn't plan on making money by fascilitating theft. when i company wants to fascilitate it for FREE, i say more power to them. (and someone needs to get tricky's remix of method man's "judgement day" on kazaa STAT!)

i read in newsweek that last year more blank cds were sold than pre-recorded ones and that led to whomever's tirade at the grammy's. this is the type of shit that scares the industry. they must be thinking one blank cd sold means one more copy of jewel's album they won't sell. bleah.



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man... i missed all of that about Rawkus. i wondered what had happened to mos def and his rock band project, Black Jack Johnson. guess that had something to do with it. so how much longer do we have to wait for the new Black Star album? after that kick ass Talib Kweli/Hi-Tek album i can't wait...



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i got the news from hiphopsite.com's year in review article. they have some good stuff over there.

black jack johnson was on hbo's reverb a while back. i got it on tape, maybe it's somewhere on the net too. it's great to see bad brains' dr. know get the new school mos rub.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#18 Posted on
The record companies were complaining about being screwed by Napster, but take a look at this and see how THEY were screwing us.



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Since: 11.3.02
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The latest edict sent down from on high ... ------------------------------------------- My wife bought the last Britany Spears CD and it claimed to be "un-rippable" also, but after some searching on the 'net for some different ripping softare, I was able to rip it to my hard drive, no problem. They don't realize that theonly people they are hurting are themselves.

I myself have bought 150 blank CD-Rs in the last 6 months, does that mean that I have 150 copies of Cs that I never bought, OF COURSE NOT !!

I back up software, create compilations of CDs I already own, copy large data files for friends, and create VCDs to watch on my DVD player.

None of these activities is taking anything away from the Record Industry. These people need to wake up to the digital age and stop bitching and whining about only making $10 Billion in record sales, when they were making $15 Billion last year.

Nothing pisses me off more than hearing rich people whining about how much money they're making (or not making).




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Since: 12.1.02
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Napster and blank CDs aren't the only thing that the evil rat bastards at the RIAA are going after, they are also attacking internet radio. There is legislation before the US govt right now that says 1) Internet radio stations will no longer be allowed to play music without UPC codes (this means no independent artists) and 2) There will now be a licensing fee to broadcast. Let's say you want to broadcast all year, 24 hours a day, the cost for that will be somwhere in the range of $2 million US. This means no more independent or small internet broadcasters.
What does this boil down to? Another attack on freedom of speech and the little guy, that is, you and me, and your buddy's band down the block.
If you are concerned, there are numerous websites up regarding saving internet radio. I recommend www.saveinternetradio.org



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