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I've started to notice something peculiar. Sometimes, when a new wrestler is coming to the WWE, they're given a "coming soon" video package to hype their arrival. After weeks of video packages, when that wrestler finally arrives, he/she turns out to be ridiculously shitty and winds up getting booed out of every arena they wrestle at.
Here's the evidence:

Nathan Jones: Video shows him lounging in Boggo Road Prison. Turns out to be an awful spot-blower. Later flees back to Australia and stars in "Troy".

Gail Kim: Given a "Matrix" style video. Starts out as a luchadoress and given the Women's Title on her first night. Blows a horrible spot, loses her title, and disappears from TV for a while. Fortunately, she came back with a new submission-based offense, and is showing signs of improvement, so there may be hope for her yet.

Kenzo Suzuki (formerly Hirohito): A bronze warrior, out for revenge. Revenge against what? I've heard from countless purosmarks about what an awful worker he is, and even that match with Scotty seemed a bit slow and akward. Time will tell whether he can/will improve.

Mordecai: Video tells us he sits at the right hand of the Father, and he will purge the land of sinners. He ends up being Undertaker with white clothing. It is yet to be seen whether he can wrestle well with someone other than a jobber, but I'm still skeptical at this point.

So far, Rey Mysterio and La Resistance are the only ones who seem to have escaped the video curse. But we had better be wary the next time a video package tells us that a new wrestler is "coming soon".

If you have any objections, or any further evidence, feel free to respond!



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Edge's debut in 1998 was admidst a ton of said packages, and he did OK in spite of that. They even did it AGAIN at Mania and he still isn't part of any hex right now. Well, except for the two injuries and he fought through that.

There was Mankind's boiler room viginettes in early 1996 which granted are different than anything we'd see now out of Mick Foley, but I wouldn't say he was jinxed by it.

Also, anyone remember Hunter Hearst Helmsley's fireside chats before he started ever wrestling? Often I watch RAW wondering if they'll give him any face time.

To go even FURTHER back, you can count Ted Dibiase's viginettes, which may stand as the greatest ones they ever did. The one that sticks out more than any was the one where he buys out the time for the public pool. That was right up there with kicking the basketball in terms of having him come off as a rich prick.

It's always hit or miss. You also forgot to mention Sean O'Haire's. GREAT promos, but they got him nowhere in the end. But I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know.



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Count Sean O'Haire as a flop post-packages.

Randy Orton, though not for his debut, had an excellent run with the RNN news updates, though, so those should count in some form as a positive example...



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Oops! I forgot to mention Scott Steiner's WWE run! Silly me.



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Don't forget Mr. America!




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Kurt Angle had those brilliant packages for the WWF's "only real athlete" before his big arrival.



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Also, don't forget the buildup packages to their BLUE CHIP NEW SENSATION of 1996, Rocky Maivia...

...then again, you never see that guy on RAW anymore, so maybe there IS a jinx :)

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Let's not forget the "perfect" vignettes of Mr. Curt Hennig.
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Ultimo Dragon. Tons of video packages before his debut. He also had an article on WWE.com about his dream to wrestle at Madison Square Garden. Tripped twice on Wrestlemania at MSG. Waste of talent.
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So far Rey Rey is probably the only one featuring talent who had never really been seen in the WWE (Sylvan Grenier was the evil ref during Rock/Hogan II) to come in and make a sustained run. But that was also because of the way they built him up and the opponents they had him run with when he debuted. Remember when he was a main-eventer who could hang tough alongside the likes of Angle, Benoit, and Guerrero? Then he got squashed and Pillmanized by A-Train, which cooled his heat off a bit, and squashed again by the Big Show. Now heís kinda floundering because he hasnít done anything meaningful since his feud with Chavo prior to Wrestlemania and gets booked like any other cruiserweight.
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    If you have any objections, or any further evidence, feel free to respond!


I'm pretty sure this doesn't mean "List every guy you can think of who had a video package coming in." Being able to remember, say, Outback Jack got vignettes, is nice if we're playing WWE/F trivia but not exactly something that's adding to the discussion.

Try debating if you agree or not with


    . After weeks of video packages, when that wrestler finally arrives, he/she turns out to be ridiculously shitty and winds up getting booed out of every arena they wrestle at.


IMO: Most of the people who get vignettes are new wrestlers and new characters who are going straight into high profile roles because of those vignettes. Not all - maybe most - new wrestlers aren't ready for that spotlight when they come in, but the point of the hype is to get us to overlook that.



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    Originally posted by thecubsfan

      . After weeks of video packages, when that wrestler finally arrives, he/she turns out to be ridiculously shitty and winds up getting booed out of every arena they wrestle at.


    IMO: Most of the people who get vignettes are new wrestlers and new characters who are going straight into high profile roles because of those vignettes. Not all - maybe most - new wrestlers aren't ready for that spotlight when they come in, but the point of the hype is to get us to overlook that.


You mean like Glacier: Blood Runs Cold?




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How dare you forget about Regal as the "Man's Man." He wore a hardhat and rode a backhoe....

Which brings us to the unenviable fact....

hardhats & backhoes = ratings

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I don't remember if they were before his debut or were airing right at the beginning of his character, but the Razor Ramon vigniettes were all pretty cool. They were cheesy (stealing produce!) but Hall was so into the character that he made it fun. Plus, he could still work like crazy back then.



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I remember Tazz having a video package before his debut in late 1999. I dunno if it jinxed him but he never really did anything memorable.

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I think in order to argue that there is a jinx you need there to be a very visible lack of guys who have been heavily hyped and succeeded. For every Ultimo Dragon there's a Rey Mysterio, Jr.; for every Outback Jack there's a Ted DiBiase. Some guys make it and some don't. The same could be said for guys who just get thrown in front of the camera with no hype.

I think it's fair to say, though, that by using vignettes you give guys their best chance to succeed. Would Beaver Cleavage or Glacier have been more successful had they not had weeks (or even months) of promotion for their arrival? Doubtful. These characters were dead in the water regardless. At least if people are alerted to the debut of a new character there's an interest to see that person, and more likelihood people will give the guy a chance. Just throw a guy out there for no reason and with no backstory and you get Orlando Jordan.

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I'm pretty sure this doesn't mean "List every guy you can think of who had a video package coming in."

Maybe if I make it really large people besides BigVito will read it? Maybe I should just ban everyone who failed to read the whole thread before posting? HMMMM.



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    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    I think it's fair to say, though, that by using vignettes you give guys their best chance to succeed. Would Beaver Cleavage or Glacier have been more successful had they not had weeks (or even months) of promotion for their arrival? Doubtful. These characters were dead in the water regardless. At least if people are alerted to the debut of a new character there's an interest to see that person, and more likelihood people will give the guy a chance.
That's the point that I disagree with. If they do a big promotion for a new guy, the viewers' expectations are raised. If the guy debuts & isn't really all that great, I think that disappoints viewers & turns them off to the character. Once labelled as "he sucks", it takes a *lot* to overcome that, even after the guy improves his skills. Absolutely, giving a new character something useful to *do* is the important part. But advance over-hype is a dangerous thing, particularly if you have an unknown or unproven worker. If you have a Rey Mysterio, definitely, hype him to the moon -- he's a proven commodity that you can be confident will really live up to the hype immediately and be a long-term player. When we're talking about a Mordecai or Suzuki, I think the big hype just sets him up for failure. Yeah, there's a novelty factor for a week or two, but thereafter, I think they lose significant credibility, which hurts them long-term.

Somebody please remind me how they handled the initial introduction of Batista. I'm thinking they mostly did it really low-key, but put him into a useful spot, sort of the way they're handling Tomko? Anybody?
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