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OK, I'm considering buying an HDTV for the family for Christmas. I have two important questions to ask, before I see a salesman.

1) Is there a big difference between 720 and 1080p? Is it OK to go with 720, if it's the first time I buy one?

2) Most important. What is the total cost going to be? It's got to be more than just buying the TV, right? What else do I need?

Thanks in advance for any help.



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How big of a screen are you getting, and what uses will you have for it? Just TV, or video games, computers, etc?






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Buying from tigerdirect.com back in May, I got a 60" Mitsubishi 1080i for $1299. Free shipping. HDMI cable cost me $20 - you can probably get them cheaper and they're just as good. I didn't really care after spending $1299.

Don't get 720. Go to a store and watch them side-by-side and you won't have to be convinced.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
You know, I've been in the market for one also, and had some of the same questions.

If Mhz are listed, is that something to consider, against if they're not listed?

Also, is there a pixel ratio that is the minimum you'd want?
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OK. So here's the deal.

I can answer your questions, but one at a time.

First of all, I assume you are talking about 1080i vs 1080p. Pretty much all 1080i sets can do 720p, you'd be hard pressed to find one that doesn't.

1080i video is pretty much what you are going to get from cable or satellite today. If your concerns start and end with getting a high def TV feed, you don't need to look any further than 1080i.

1080p is really nice if you want to play video game on a PS3, Xbox 360, or a PC attached to the TV. For instance, I have a 46" TV with 1080p, and this allows me to play World of Warcraft in my living from a chair 8 feet away (using a wireless keyboard and mouse). 1080p is 1920 x 1080 resolution.

So, do you need 1080p? The easy answer is no. Will you want it within the lifetime of your TV? For me, this was a 5-10 year purchase I hope. I thought that in that time I would want to have it, and so far I have been right.

The MHz thing is for 120 or 60 if I know what you are refering to. We can talk about that more if it matters to you. THe short version is that it has to do with 3:2 pulldown to a 5:1 and that 24 frames per second divides evenly into 120 whereas it doesn't into 60. Also, there should be less motion blur on a higher refresh rate in theory, but what really matters is what you think when you watch it. You may not care.




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.63
Guru is right, it depends on what you're going to use it for.
The only way you're going to get a native 1080p signal into the TV is from a Blu-Ray player, or in rare instances, certain video games. The XBOX 360 and Playstation 3 will upscale most 720p games into 1080p if your picture can display it, but that's not the same thing. Here's an article talking about native 1080p in video games.
http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20070721/4652/

Blu-Ray will display in 1080p if you have the right connection (the PS3, which is the most popular Blu-Ray player, only gives 1080p when it is connected via HDMI).

Other high-definition television signals, whether they're broadcast TV, cable, or satellite, are either going to be 720p or 1080i, depending on the network.

So besides those examples above, you're really talking about 720p vs. 1080i. And that is a very contentious issue.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6810011-1.html
http://hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/1080p_TheLastWord.html
It breaks down into the size of the screen, and your viewing distance, and all kinds of things.
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html gives a chart that tells you whether 1080p is worth it given the size of your screen and the distance the TV is from you. The HDTVExpert.com article claims that on a 42" or smaller screen, from the distance you normally watch TV, you'd be hard pressed to notice the distance.

I agree with going ahead and trying them in the store. But make sure you're watching them from approximately the distance you'll be watching the TV from at home.

EDIT: Obviously Guru hadn't written his second post when I started mine.

(edited by Mr. Boffo on 11.11.08 2208)
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As far as what else you need, you're going to need the right cables to connect to your satellite/cable TV source as well as any other video sources you may have (DVD player, VCR, DVR, etc.). I think most set-top TV boxes you get from cable or satellite companies come with component cables. I don't think there's any reason to use an HDMI cable for TV unless it's more convenient to you for some reason. You'll get the same quality picture though with either an HDMI cable or with component cables.

Connecting to a Playstation3, Xbox 360, Blu-Ray player, or upscaling DVD player is a different story though. These devices are all capable of outputting at 1080p, so there's potentially a difference. I think for all of these items you'll need to use an HDMI cable to take advantage of any upscaling features (someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how it works with my PS3).

When I bought my HDTV way back when the associate at Best Buy convinced me to buy a big expensive fancy power strip (cost about $100). I'm not sure how necessary that was but it made me feel better then (and I still feel better having it now).

I think one of the most important pieces of advice though is to NOT buy your cables from Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Circuit City, etc. They are horrendously overpriced, especially Monster cables. You can get A/V cables of the highest quality for the lowest prices from Monoprice.com. They also sell a lot of other cool home theater accessories like switch boxes which you may need if you have a ton of things you want to plug into your new TV.

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I still swear by the penny (+ possibly slightly overpriced shipping) cables sold by various Amazon resellers.

Here's that link (The W at Amazon).




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Guru Zim

    1080i video is pretty much what you are going to get from cable or satellite today.


Two weeks ago, I had an hour download from DirecTV that was upgrading my HD-DVR receiver because, according to them, they are starting to release 1080p content on their On Demand service, and gearing up to have 1080p for ALL HD content in the near future.

I haven't bought any of their HD movies on On Demand, so I can't comment if they were blowing smoke up my ass or not.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
I think if you go with 720p, you'll just be second-guessing yourself down the road, particularly with Blu-ray.

1080p can be had for $1000 or less, and 120hz can be had for not much more. At LEAST make the 1080p investment and be happy long-term.

And don't go smaller than 42 inches.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.78
I won't bother with the technical stuff as you have plenty of good resources here, I'll just throw in a few things I noticed when we upgraded.

Have a plan as to what you are going to do with your old TV and have help to move it. Otherwise it ends up scooted into a corner with a tablecloth over it and it's a very awkward end table.

If you have a cabinet (which luckily ours didn't manage to make the last move in one piece) the new TV isn't likely to fit. If you aren't going to wall mount it, a new piece of furniture may also need to be acquired. Keep in mind how high off the ground the optimal viewing angle for the new TV is in purchasing furniture.

The new TV is going to take up relatively less space even if it is a larger screen size. This will require rearranging the furniture, probably a couple times.

The new furniture or wall mounting will require you to reconfigure where your DVD/VCR/Game Systems/etc. are stored and likely there will be many more inputs in the TV to accommodate them. Take the time to think everything out and tidy up and hide cords when you hook everything up. You will be much much happier if you do.

Be sure to look at televisions in person even if you are ordering them. Check to see what a television signal looks like as well as DVD (retailers should have a demo DVD for you to look at) and know how the DVD player is hooked up. Some retailers will have different configurations for different brands so you may not be comparing apples to apples.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
    Originally posted by MisterHenderson
    2) Most important. What is the total cost going to be? It's got to be more than just buying the TV, right? What else do I need?
You're going to need HD programs to watch. I have cable service with Comcast; if I'm reading my bill correctly, having HDTV/DVR Service on two of my three televisions means an extra $31.90 goes from my pocket to their pocket every month (compared to what I'm paying for Digital Service on the third). I'm sure such costs vary from locale to locale, not to mention from provider to provider; the point being that you'll want to add that monthly amount (whatever it may be) to your total cost, and budget accordingly.



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To buck the trend, I bought a 26" 720p last Christmas and have few regrets (as in none). On note however;

1) Smaller size, IMHO, means you can sacrafice a bit in the video quality.

2) The big thing was that the TV scales 1080p/1080i down to 720p naturally, which makes those kinds of videos look nicer/not distorted.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.23

I just purchased a 26" set a few days ago, but have not hooked it up yet.

Sadly, my 47" set is still in storage, since there is no room for it.



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Thanks for the advice, all. This will make shopping easier for me, now that I know what I should be looking for. Especially since I will be getting a Blu-Ray to go along with it. I think I will just go with the Sony set up that Sears has had on display for the past few months.

I know that I don't have room for a 42" TV.

Including the TV that we're replacing, we have three that we have managed to find homes for. Also, we'll selling of the entertainment center in order to make room for the new set up.

Also, the cost of adding HD service isn't that much of an upgrade on service on Directv, so...It looks like I'm good to go.

The next thing is of course what will be the first Blu-Ray movie we watch?



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.60
    Originally posted by MisterHenderson
    The next thing is of course what will be the first Blu-Ray movie we watch?


Don't make it a movie per se, make it the BBC Documentary Planet Earth.

Even if you caught it (or parts of it) on TV, you haven't really seen it until you've seen it in HD. I know the Earth is a beautiful and miraculous place, but this takes it to a whole new, tears-in-the-eyes level.

(And the ultra-slo-mo bit of a great white shark leaping clear out of the ocean to grab a seal is one of the most astounding things you will ever see.)
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by MisterHenderson
    The next thing is of course what will be the first Blu-Ray movie we watch?

No matter how many Blu-Ray movies I buy or rent, no matter how many Playstation3 games I play, no matter how many different high definition TV sets or projectors I see or buy, nothing ever comes even REMOTELY close to the awe I feel when I watch Pirates of the Caribbean 3 on Blu-Ray when I catch it playing on a 1080p TV in a Circuit City or Best Buy. It is absolutely mesmerizing. You actually might not like it because the picture is TOO lifelike and realistic.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
With the upconversion, and because it's a CGI movie, the regular DVD of Finding Nemo looks AMAZING played on the PS3 on my 61" Samsung DLP. http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_cd=HL61A650C1FXZA

Best Buy has it for about $1599.99

The remastered Fifth Element blu-ray is pretty sweet too.

Another vote from me on the Planet Earth blu-ray.



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