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I don't recall there being this much hoopla over a free agent, but the Cliff Lee news has certainly makes the hot stove season interesting.

The Yankees and the Rangers are both well known with their offers. The Red Sox spiced things up with a bid designed to misdirect the Yankees (almost a Kansas City Shuffle) as they actually instead picked up Carl Crawford.


Now Jon Heyman (the REAL Jon Heyman) has come out with a report that Lee might walk away from 50 million plus dollars to join the PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES. Their offer was lower than the Yankees or the Rangers, but apparently Lee likes the idea of of pitching with the current best pitcher in baseball and two perennial all-stars.

IF Cliff Lee signs with the Phillies and IF they keep their starters, it looks like;

Halladay.
Lee.
Oswalt.
Hamel.
Random Mook #5. Or maybe bring up your best prospect. Really, if you have a chance to win 4/5 of your games you might as well try something new.

Click Here (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) is the article.



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That rotation immediately goes on the short list of the best pitching staffs in the history of the game. Man, if Lee signs with Philly, that would throw a real wrench into the National League.

But really, I've got to ask, why go for the embarrassment of riches in the rotation when the Phils really could use a bat? Their lineup had a couple of big swoons last year and now they're down Jayson Werth. It's too bad they acquired Placido Polanco last winter, since Adrian Beltre would look a lot better at third for them.
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    That rotation immediately goes on the short list of the best pitching staffs in the history of the game. Man, if Lee signs with Philly, that would throw a real wrench into the National League.

    But really, I've got to ask, why go for the embarrassment of riches in the rotation when the Phils really could use a bat? Their lineup had a couple of big swoons last year and now they're down Jayson Werth. It's too bad they acquired Placido Polanco last winter, since Adrian Beltre would look a lot better at third for them.


This isn't Seattle circa 2009/2010, the Phillies have enough bats to make this work. Especially of Dominic Brown steps up.



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HOHLee shit.



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Random Mook #5 = Jamie Moyer.

Seriously, why is it if Lee goes to Philly people will proclaim 'greatest rotation' but if the Yankees tried to pull something like this it'd be 'buying a title'?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
    Originally posted by Lexus
    Random Mook #5 = Jamie Moyer.

Moyer will be out for all of 2011 recovering from TJ surgery....ohhhh, I get it. I like that.

    Originally posted by Lexus
    Seriously, why is it if Lee goes to Philly people will proclaim 'greatest rotation' but if the Yankees tried to pull something like this it'd be 'buying a title'?

Because even with Lee, no one would ever even consider calling NY's the "greatest rotation?"

And to answer the question in the other thread:

    Originally posted by It's False
    Which would, once again, beg the question...why exactly did they trade Lee in the first place?

The question was never begged because it was answered 12 months ago. If Halladay is willing to come to Philly AND sign a contract extension and Lee is all about free agency, then you do whatever you have to do to get Halladay. Unfortunately for Lee, that means getting your ass dumped, because Amaro has to somehow replace farmhands.






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Since: 10.12.01
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It's confirmed: Lee back to the Phillies. More moves to come.



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A rotation that boasts Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, and Hamels as your top 4 screams "World Series"...on paper. As I recall, though, pitching wasn't this team's problem.

Doesn't this team need a bat?




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Lexus, have the Yankees ever underbid two other teams and say "Hello good chap, we have three of the games best starters already. Leave fifty million on the table and join us!".

No they haven't, they outbid people. That's why I think this is different. And keep in mind Halladay did the same thing, take less money for Philly.

Click Here (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) for another link.

It's like Atlanta a few years back.



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As a Mets fan, I'm very, very afraid.

As for them needing a bat...I mean, sure, but this team still has Rollins, Utley, and Howard. I'll take that lineup and that rotation any day.

It's true that they're not really "buying" the pennant...but it's still a sign of the times, in that there are only a limited number of teams who could even think about doing this. Granted, my team is one of them, so I can't really complain, but a lot fans would be very justified in doing so.

To put Jamie Moyer into perspective: on his second team in the majors, one of his teammates was Charlie Hough, who was also on his second team in the majors. Hough joined his first major league team in 1970. Even if Moyer never comes back, he's had a hell of a run.
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Savvy talent acquisition is savvy talent acquisition is savvy talent acquisition. I'm not saying what Philly did was wrong; I'm saying if the situation and players all involved were in Yankee pinstripes people would be crying foul and calling Lee the devil.

Having gone to Phillies games as a kid living in northern Delaware, having personally tackled the Philly Phanatic when I was 7 out of sheer joy, this isn't bad.

As someone who roots for the Nats, I weep. Maybe we could get Moyer?



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Now they have the combined might of four guys that made the 2010 Giants look like the '27 Yankees.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
The Nats lure Jayson Werth away from Philly in an effort to compete with them and ridiculously overpay him, and for not really that much money more the Phils simply go out and get Cliff Lee. Hilarious.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.35
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    As a Mets fan, I'm very, very afraid.




As a Braves fan, I am not too happy about this decision.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.20
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    As a Mets fan, I'm very, very afraid.

    As for them needing a bat...I mean, sure, but this team still has Rollins, Utley, and Howard. I'll take that lineup and that rotation any day.

    It's true that they're not really "buying" the pennant...but it's still a sign of the times, in that there are only a limited number of teams who could even think about doing this. Granted, my team is one of them, so I can't really complain, but a lot fans would be very justified in doing so.

    To put Jamie Moyer into perspective: on his second team in the majors, one of his teammates was Charlie Hough, who was also on his second team in the majors. Hough joined his first major league team in 1970. Even if Moyer never comes back, he's had a hell of a run.
Well Rollins hasn't hit much the last few years and has had issues staying healthy. Howard can't hit lefties. Their position players are getting old but their pitching is incredible. As a Met fan this sucks but I believe in Alderson. It will take a few years to fix Omar's mess.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.09
    Originally posted by Lexus


    As someone who roots for the Nats, I weep. Maybe we could get Moyer?


Improving our team in some way would be nice. As long as it's not another boneheaded deal.



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